protein shake caused man boobs

rainybillwill

I started going the gym and began using protein shakes but had to stop as i developed man boobs and now in cant get rid of them. I read up and it seems to be a common side effect of protein shakes. It sucks because man boobs are pretty much impossible to get rid of Did people know about these side effects?

Beast4mdaeast

rainybillwill wrote: »

I started going the gym and began using protein shakes but had to stop as i developed man boobs and now in cant get rid of them. I read up and it seems to be a common side effect of protein shakes. It sucks because man boobs are pretty much impossible to get rid of Did people know about these side effects?

Steroids can cause gyno .. itchy nipples breast tissue growth.
Im pretty sure protein shakes are dense in calories hench weight gain

D14Rugby

rainybillwill wrote: »

I started going the gym and began using protein shakes but had to stop as i developed man boobs and now in cant get rid of them. I read up and it seems to be a common side effect of protein shakes. It sucks because man boobs are pretty much impossible to get rid of Did people know about these side effects?

Unless you're using some really weird niche protein then it's not the protein that's causing it.

Mjolnir

rainybillwill wrote: »

I started going the gym and began using protein shakes but had to stop as i developed man boobs and now in cant get rid of them. I read up and it seems to be a common side effect of protein shakes. It sucks because man boobs are pretty much impossible to get rid of Did people know about these side effects?

Ladies and gentlemen please don't feed the trolls allow them to die of starvation.

If you're serious please learn what a calorie is and how the Marco's vary in calorie content.

rainybillwill

Mjolnir wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen please don't feed the trolls allow them to die of starvation.

If you're serious please learn what a calorie is and how the Marco's vary in calorie content.

not trolling wish i was

rainybillwill

Mjolnir wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen please don't feed the trolls allow them to die of starvation.

If you're serious please learn what a calorie is and how the Marco's vary in calorie content.

Whey protein is actually a high quality protein that is made out of cow’s milk. And what most guys are unaware of is that milk can negatively affect man boobs.

Organic milk comes from cows, but the caveat here is that for cows only produce milk when they are pregnant. And naturally when an animal is pregnant their estrogen levels are also increased. Since estrogen is the hormone that is responsible for man boobs, exposing your body to it by taking organic milk increases your chances of forming female breasts

JJayoo

I'd worry more about your lack of brain cells than the man boobs.

Mjolnir

rainybillwill wrote: »

Whey protein is actually a high quality protein that is made out of cow’s milk. And what most guys are unaware of is that milk can negatively affect man boobs.

Organic milk comes from cows, but the caveat here is that for cows only produce milk when they are pregnant. And naturally when an animal is pregnant their estrogen levels are also increased. Since estrogen is the hormone that is responsible for man boobs, exposing your body to it by taking organic milk increases your chances of forming female breasts

Whey is a by product of milk and is also produced when making dairy products like cheese and is a better source of protein than eggs which are the gold standard in protein measurement.

You're talking about gyno, man boobs generally is used to refer to just fatty deposits on the chest are not feminization of Male breast tissue.

Whey is filtered and I can guarantee you that the small exposure from milk or dairy products or by products is not enough to raise your estrogen level enough to cause gyno, gyno is caused by high estrogen levels over a prolonged period of time such as puberty or long term steroid use without an anti estrogen. You also need to be somewhat sensitive to estrogen to get gyno.

Gyno can also be caused by progesterone.

You are however more likely to get gyno from dairy alternatives such as soy milk as that is highly estrogenic and has been proven to cause negative effects on males especially prepubescent and pubescent males suppressing natural test and raising estrogen levels.

Also cows produce milk after giving birth, when estrogen levels are at an all time low in mammals, it's prolactin which is responsible for lactation.

Mjolnir

rainybillwill wrote: »

not trolling wish i was

Eat less, lift more do more cardio
If you're not trolling you've more than likely been taking protein shakes thinking they'll give you muscle, they are the equivalent to eating a chicken breast. You've more than likely taken in far too many calories and gotten fat

BorneTobyWilde

But if you are doing work at gym then you will develop a large chest. Hardly boobs lol

Mjolnir

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

But if you are doing work at gym then you will develop a large chest. Hardly boobs lol

Not necessarily, if you're eating in a surplus with quality well balanced macros and doing sufficient weight training yes.

If you're going in sitting on machines using 5kg for 2 sets of 10 reps with 10 minute social media breaks between each set and eating everything in sight you'll just get fat.

Most people that go "beast mode" at the gym half a$$ their training

Transform

Mjolnir wrote: »

Not necessarily, if you're eating in a surplus with quality well balanced macros and doing sufficient weight training yes.

If you're going in sitting on machines using 5kg for 2 sets of 10 reps with 10 minute social media breaks between each set and eating everything in sight you'll just get fat.

Most people that go "beast mode" at the gym half a$$ their training

Thats the correct answer

Transform

rainybillwill wrote: »

I started going the gym and began using protein shakes but had to stop as i developed man boobs and now in cant get rid of them. I read up and it seems to be a common side effect of protein shakes. It sucks because man boobs are pretty much impossible to get rid of Did people know about these side effects?

just to get some reference - whats your current deadlift, how many chin ups can you do and whats current bench press with dumbbells or barbell?

rainybillwill

Transform wrote: »

just to get some reference - whats your current deadlift, how many chin ups can you do and whats current bench press with dumbbells or barbell?

Dont dead lift or chin up. Incline bench press with 17.5 dumbbells 3by12

tvjunki

Alot of protein shakes are bulked out with soya or are soya based. This affects estrogen levels in the body. The same with protein bars. Most have soya as one of the first ingredients in the bar. If you take this you would be better getting a packet of chicken or ham after your workout.
Just to give you an idea many ladies going through the menopause use soya supplement, soya based foods to bring up the estrogen level they have lost.
Could be you more sensitive to the soya.
Another thing many men also are told not to take soya if they have low sperm count as well. Estrogen can effect the testosterone and progesterone in the body. That is if you are thinking ahead.
It can take a while for your body to recover and that is what has happened to you.

Oasis1974

Wouldn't you then need to wear man bras aswell or is it safe to carry breast's around unsupported like women in case you develop very large ones in the double D size area?

SortingYouOut

What is your current calorie in and out each day?

Make sure it isn't a weight gainer you're using also, as they're quite calorie dense.

Optimum Nutrition do a great whey that's very low in carbs and calories.

If you think it may be a hormone issue, maybe go see someone.

SortingYouOut

rainybillwill wrote: »

Dont dead lift or chin up. Incline bench press with 17.5 dumbbells 3by12

Also, if your back permits it, Deadlift and Squat.

These large muscle groups increase testosterone when built on, which may help and will also help you build muscle elsewhere.

D14Rugby

rainybillwill wrote: »

Dont dead lift or chin up. Incline bench press with 17.5 dumbbells 3by12

Now we've got to the root of the problem.

rainybillwill

D14Rugby wrote: »

Now we've got to the root of the problem.

I am doing the program i was giving in the gym i joined.

D14Rugby

rainybillwill wrote: »

I am doing the program i was giving in the gym i joined.

If they gave you a program without testing your deadlifts, chin up, squat and flat bench then the program isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Alf Veedersane

rainybillwill wrote: »

I started going the gym and began using protein shakes but had to stop as i developed man boobs and now in cant get rid of them. I read up and it seems to be a common side effect of protein shakes. It sucks because man boobs are pretty much impossible to get rid of Did people know about these side effects?

Either you're eating too much or your shakes are being spiked with oestrogen...the whey protein didn't cause your bìtch tìts, Bob.

rainybillwill

D14Rugby wrote: »

If they gave you a program without testing your deadlifts, chin up, squat and flat bench then the program isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Ah ok it maybe time to move gyms and get a PT

Effects

rainybillwill wrote: »

I am doing the program i was giving in the gym i joined.

You need more cardio and less calorie intake.

PCeeeee

rainybillwill wrote: »

but the caveat here is that for cows only produce milk when they are pregnant.

Once they have the calf the milk stops is it?

rainybillwill

PCeeeee wrote: »

Once they have the calf the milk stops is it?

Like humans, cows only produce milk after they have given birth, and dairy cows must give birth to one calf per year in order to continue producing milk. Typically they are artificially inseminated within three months of giving birth.

Apiarist

rainybillwill wrote: »

Ah ok it maybe time to move gyms and get a PT

If you are doing it for your fitness, I would recommend a HIIT class or a similar group workout instead.

nthclare

A friend of mine is going through transition and swears by protein and soya, supposedly there's female enhanced ingredients in soya milk etc

Used to be called Sennan now turning into Sienna, after that I was wary about anything to do with soya.

Supposedly it's prone to calming people down but prone to tantrums when they loose it...

I Remember the good old days when I used to work out, there was us and the muscle marys....

Nothing personal to the op that was just what we called the milkshake and soy boys

Sleeper12

A new account & making rid claims.

Some people have too much time on their hands

PCeeeee

rainybillwill wrote: »

Like humans, cows only produce milk after they have given birth, and dairy cows must give birth to one calf per year in order to continue producing milk. Typically they are artificially inseminated within three months of giving birth.

You said they only produce milk when they're pregnant. Anyhow I think it's very clear what this is about now.

gctest50

Go to an endocrinologist instead of guessing



or it'll cost you a fortune redecorating the house and colour coordinating the towels

rainybillwill

Whats with all the blow back have you guys got shares in protein shakes or something? Some of you guys need to chill its not a personal attack on anyone whos uses protein shakes.

rainybillwill

gctest50 wrote: »

Go to an endocrinologist instead of guessing



or it'll cost you a fortune redecorating the house and colour coordinating the towels

Haha true enough. I might actually check one out

rainybillwill

PCeeeee wrote: »

You said they only produce milk when they're pregnant. Anyhow I think it's very clear what this is about now.

"I think it's very clear what this is about now" Can you please enlighten me?

Mjolnir

D14Rugby wrote: »

If they gave you a program without testing your deadlifts, chin up, squat and flat bench then the program isn't worth the paper it's written on.

If you're brand new to a gym no instructor worth their salt will test your deadlift during a basic assessment you learn basics on machines, move to free weights.
However even at that deadlifting is more complicated than most lifts so it takes longer time to teach unlikely to be taught through a free assessment

Mjolnir

tvjunki wrote: »

Alot of protein shakes are bulked out with soya or are soya based. This affects estrogen levels in the body. The same with protein bars. Most have soya as one of the first ingredients in the bar. If you take this you would be better getting a packet of chicken or ham after your workout.
Just to give you an idea many ladies going through the menopause use soya supplement, soya based foods to bring up the estrogen level they have lost.
Could be you more sensitive to the soya.
Another thing many men also are told not to take soya if they have low sperm count as well. Estrogen can effect the testosterone and progesterone in the body. That is if you are thinking ahead.
It can take a while for your body to recover and that is what has happened to you.

Good quality proteins don't contain soy.
They are hydrolised, concentrate or isolate whey.
Good powders now don't contain much lactose either

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High quality organic, grass-fed, whey protien with nothing added (no sweetners, synthetics or any other junk) should be fine.

Avoid anything such as soya, plastics (food storage) and even essential essences (e.g. lavender) and do not take any 'rememdies' for hair loss also.

PCeeeee

rainybillwill wrote: »

"I think it's very clear what this is about now" Can you please enlighten me?

I think that's very unlikely

Cyclical Apocalypse

I'm sick of the myth that soy causes male breast development.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/12/9/9879230/soy-milk-man-boobs-gynecomastia

If you are going to make such a claim at least back it up with a link or two.

Alf Veedersane

This sounds like time I introduced carrots into my diet and put on fat.

I've done research that suggests carrots have shuttle fat from the ubulus to the central romulus.

So not the cheesecake.

Mjolnir

Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »

I'm sick of the myth that soy causes male breast development.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/12/9/9879230/soy-milk-man-boobs-gynecomastia

If you are going to make such a claim at least back it up with a link or two.

Nothing to do with multiple studies showing it suppresses testosterone by boosting estrogen in males going through puberty and prepubescent. I guarantee I can find an equal amount of links contradicting each other.
Just search for actual scientific bodies that are peer researched.
It's not a myth in the slightest.
Will it in an average, healthy hormonally well balanced male, honestly probably not, in those who's hormones aren't stable good chance of it.
Also excess estrogen is potentially cancerous in males of any age.

Cyclical Apocalypse

Mjolnir wrote: »

Nothing to do with multiple studies showing it suppresses testosterone by boosting estrogen in males going through puberty and prepubescent. I guarantee I can find an equal amount of links contradicting each other.
Just search for actual scientific bodies that are peer researched.
It's not a myth in the slightest.
Will it in an average, healthy hormonally well balanced male, honestly probably not, in those who's hormones aren't stable good chance of it.
Also, excess estrogen is potentially cancerous in males of any age.

Any chance you could post a link to those studies because from all I've read eating and drinking reasonable amounts of soy had no adverse effects on individuals.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to some of the Bro Science you see on some fitness forums.

rainybillwill

PCeeeee wrote: »

I think that's very unlikely

So you "think it's very clear what this is about now" but you are unable to tell people?. Ok

rainybillwill

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

This sounds like time I introduced carrots into my diet and put on fat.

I've done research that suggests carrots have shuttle fat from the ubulus to the central romulus.

So not the cheesecake.

Well at least some of the people on here have been helpful and are having good discussion on the topic.

I can now understand how you have so much free time in your life to make over 20,000 posts on boards.ie

Alf Veedersane

rainybillwill wrote: »

Well at least some of the people on here have been helpful and are having good discussion on the topic.

I can now understand how you have so much free time in your life to make over 20,000 posts on boards.ie

Used some of that free time to educate myself chief.

Also use my free time to train and eat properly and whaddya know....no moobs even after having some protein shakes.

Mjolnir

Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »

Any chance you could post a link to those studies because from all I've read eating and drinking reasonable amounts of soy had no adverse effects on individuals.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to some of the Bro Science you see on some fitness forums.

I shall later bud I remember one involving an elderly gentleman who's soy intake caused gyno and 4 times the max blood concentration passable for his age, that was from a medical government website too.
Also don't go by anything vox have they aren't a true media source and have literally no basis in science.

I subscribe to both bro science and traditional science but vox is neither.

gctest50

Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »

I'm sick of the myth that soy causes male breast development.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/12/9/9879230/soy-milk-man-boobs-gynecomastia

If you are going to make such a claim at least back it up with a link or two.

Happens :


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18558591/

An unusual case of gynecomastia associated with soy product consumption.



A 60-year-old man was referred to the endocrinology clinic for evaluation of bilateral gynecomastia of 6 months' duration.

He reported erectile dysfunction and decreased libido.

On further review of systems, he reported no changes in testicular size, no history of testicular trauma, no sexually transmitted diseases, no headaches, no visual changes, and no change in muscular mass or strength.

Initial laboratory assessment showed estrone and estradiol concentrations to be 4-fold increased above the upper limit of the reference range. !!!!!!!!!

After he discontinued drinking soy milk, his breast tenderness resolved and his estradiol concentration slowly returned to normal.


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rainybillwill

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Used some of that free time to educate myself chief.

Also use my free time to train and eat properly and whaddya know....no moobs even after having some protein shakes.

Wow this insight into your life is so interesting you live a very exciting life. Have you told people the story of how you have no man boobs often its a great accomplishment, people must love the stories of how you train and eat properly??? Wow all that time you have spent to educate yourself seems to have opened so many doors for you? like you have 20,000 posts on boards.ie some people might think that is really really sad but not me i know better because i have been lucky enough to have such a funny interesting guy response to this thread.

rainybillwill

Sleeper12 wrote: »

A new account & making rid claims.

Some people have too much time on their hands

Says the one with over 11,000 posts

Brian?

Mod note: thread locked. Too many reported posts . Will review and take action later.