Hyundai Tuscon or Seat Areca?

appledrop

I'm struggling to decide between the two. I'll be going for 1.6 diesel in both as doing the mileage that I need the diesel. Spec wise going for comparable models of the two + Tuscon about a grand dearer.

I probably prefer the spec, look, touchscreen of Ateca etc but think the drive on Tuscon is slightly ahead but hard to tell solely on test drive . I'll be driving a lot on country roads + motorway driving.

Also better finance deal on Ateca but Tuscon has 5 year warranty over 3 years on Ateca.

Help!

Mad_maxx

Ateca, those hyundais are soulless things

colm_mcm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ateca, those hyundais are soulless things

The Ateca is hardly the epitome of individuality and character either to be fair.
You will not find soul in a 1.6 diesel crossover.

Mad_maxx

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Ateca is hardly the epitome of individuality and character either to be fair.
You will not find soul in a 1.6 diesel crossover.

So what does he do, add a masserati to the duo of options?

Odyssey 2005

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So what does he do, add a masserati to the duo of options?

Not really an option I'd say. Maybe spec on a 2.0, that should do the trick.

Krombopulos Michael

I'd go Ateca. I did a thread on this a while back with various options and after test driving I went with Ateca.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057955991

I am just waiting to sell my old house having moved recently, then I'll be getting the ateca.

budhabob

The Ateca gets better reviews across the board if you do your research. Have one the last 2 years and couldn't recommend it more.

dakar

I’ve an Ateca, my dad has a Tucson.

I prefer the way the Ateca drives, he prefers the Tucson. Then I’ve always been happier in VAG cars, he’s had a succession of Nissans and Hyundais.

Get a reasonably long test drive in both to try and replicate your daily drive and see what feels best.

But my 2c, I’ll happily recommend the Ateca.

theteal

My impression from reviews of these (carwow etc) is that the Seats (Ateca and Arona) tend to have a sportier, more enjoyable drive - out of all that segment of SUV thingies. The Tucson is an excellent looking car from outside, I don't hate the inside either but it's a gutless drive - that was the 130bhp petrol iirc. No experience of the daysuls

Shefwedfan

I would start with the question is do you need to go with a diesel? are you doing the mileage of a diesel?

The automatic choice of going diesel is no longer valid. Especially if considering resale value in 3-5 years time.

If diesel then which spec of each model?

Odyssey 2005

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would start with the question is do you need to go with a diesel? are you doing the mileage of a diesel?

The automatic choice of going diesel is no longer valid. Especially if considering resale value in 3-5 years time.

If diesel then which spec of each model?

The op saysches doing the mileage for a diesel car !

Shefwedfan

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

The op saysches doing the mileage for a diesel car !

The OP said

I'll be driving a lot on country roads + motorway driving.

It is worth clarifying because a lot in most peoples terms is in reality not anywhere near diesel territory


Especially with the new announcements.....I posted this a few times but even VW told me I was nuts looking at a diesel a few weeks back....VW of all people......

colm_mcm

I'll be going for 1.6 diesel in both as doing the mileage that I need the diesel.

...

colm_mcm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So what does he do, add a masserati to the duo of options?

Not saying that at all. But ruling out one because it’s soulless is a bit strange considering they’re both automotive white goods with no sort of character, individuality or compromise of form over function gone into them.

Odyssey 2005

appledrop wrote: »

I'm struggling to decide between the two. I'll be going for 1.6 diesel in both as doing the mileage that I need the diesel.



He also says this ^^^

ShadowHearth

I am pretty sure facelift ateca coming out next year. So would be the reason for good discounts.
Seats and Vag group finance offers are hard to beat. OP, Seat is doing PCP on second hand cars with 2.9% apr. So maybe instead of buying new 1.6 you could go for ex demo model 2.0 with better spec. Just an idea.

Marcusm

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Ateca is hardly the epitome of individuality and character either to be fair.
You will not find soul in a 1.6 diesel crossover.

Apart from the Kia Soul, boom tish!

Shefwedfan

I forgot the commandment of boards

"Thou shall not question diesel"

Maybe instead of everyone else responding for the OP they might like to respond themselves?

If diesel anyway which spec of ecah car?

Lantus

Op, I think you answered your own question in that you prefer generally everything about the ateca and its better financially. I think they look great myself, would be very happy in one.

But there wouldn't be much between the two in reality at that price point.

scooby77

I've had Ateca loaners when getting my Leon serviced. Nice machine, I could live with the 2.0 TDI easily. The 1.6 not so sure...especially if doing motorway miles. It feels underpowered and get the feeling the engine always working hard.
The 2.0 only seems available in FR spec new at moment, so is pricey. But a quick scan on Carzone shows some great value in used 2.0 TDI.
BTW 4 years and 130k+ km into Seat ownership not so much as a rattle!

appledrop

Thanks so much for all your feedback. Yes I have done a lot of research + Ateca does get good reviews. I think I know deep down I want the Ateca but need the extra encouragement you have all given me! Some people were looking at me as if I have two heads when I mention I'm thinking of buying a Seat + saying it will have very poor resale value

It just felt a bit more bumpy on country roads but in fairness I didn't drive the Tuscon on same bad roads.


I think I'll look for longer test drive of Ateca. I do get what some of you are saying about 2 litre but brings up cost a lot so hopefully I'll be ok with 1.6 + thinking that one would be more fuel efficient.

Yes I need a diesel. I do at least 150km a day. I worry about the move away from diesel. Yes it was a bit ridiculous when people where driving all these diesel SUV to shops/ school runs + back but there is still plenty of people like me with long commutes who do actual need a diesel.

appledrop

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I am pretty sure facelift ateca coming out next year. So would be the reason for good discounts.
Seats and Vag group finance offers are hard to beat. OP, Seat is doing PCP on second hand cars with 2.9% apr. So maybe instead of buying new 1.6 you could go for ex demo model 2.0 with better spec. Just an idea.

Thanks for suggestion but really want a new car this time. I'm doing a lot of miles. There are also too many 2nd hand diesels out there not been driven enough which can't be good for engines.

I think I'll go with 1.6 + then maybe upgrade to Tiguan in few years if felt hadn't enough power. Would 2 litre not cost a lot more to tax/ insure/ fuel?

Shefwedfan

appledrop wrote: »

Thanks so much for all your feedback. Yes I have done a lot of research + Ateca does get good reviews. I think I know deep down I want the Ateca but need the extra encouragement you have all given me! Some people were looking at me as if I have two heads when I mention I'm thinking of buying a Seat + saying it will have very poor resale value

It just felt a bit more bumpy on country roads but in fairness I didn't drive the Tuscon on same bad roads.


I think I'll look for longer test drive of Ateca. I do get what some of you are saying about 2 litre but brings up cost a lot so hopefully I'll be ok with 1.6 + thinking that one would be more fuel efficient.

Yes I need a diesel. I do at least 150km a day. I worry about the move away from diesel. Yes it was a bit ridiculous when people where driving all these diesel SUV to shops/ school runs + back but there is still plenty of people like me with long commutes who do actual need a diesel.

Is it 150km in one trip or over the course of day all the trips add up to 150km?

appledrop

All trips in one day add up to around least 150km. Before anyone suggests it forget about recommending electric! I am not interested. Some areas I work in are very rural where electric chargers don't exist!

DaveyDave

If your budget allows, aim for a DSG gearbox.

Shefwedfan

appledrop wrote: »

All trips in one day add up to around least 150km. Before anyone suggests it forget about recommending electric! I am not interested. Some areas I work in are very rural where electric chargers don't exist!

I wasn’t going to recommend electric

PS the electric will be 400+ km on a charge so you can drive as rural as you want but not the point

Really you should have a look at hybrid, long term it will be worth more....or even petrol and see what MPG you get, diesel is if you are doing a long 150km trip, not if you add up loads of trips and get the total

Petrol/hybrid is best if you are doing lots of shorts hops but very regular which is what you are doing....

The ass is going to fall out of diesel, it is already falling. Your car could double it’s depreciation over 3 years compared to a petrol and you will have paid more for the diesel

appledrop

I'm not doing loads of small drives. My main drive is 60km each way everyday. Then my second drive is usually a 30 mins each way drive on average day to different areas.

The Petrol suggestion is nonsense. I actually had a petrol car when I started this job + it was a nightmare. Couldn't handle the distance I was doing + was forever getting parts of it replaced. I need a diesel. I couldn't care less what the market does.

appledrop

DaveyDave wrote: »

If your budget allows, aim for a DSG gearbox.

Thanks for your suggestion. A good few people have suggested that as they all know the distance I'm doing on daily basis. I'm not sure if I really want an automatic but am considering it. At least I'm getting an electric handbrake which will make a big difference for me.

micosoft

Rented a brand new Ateca there - 2 litre Diesel Manual. Drove 1000km in three days, motorway and back roads. Decent car - great touch screen especially if you do Apple play.
Only thing I didn't like was the 5 speed gearbox - felt like it was missing a gear at certain speeds. But plenty of pickup.
Lot of hard plastics but at this price point that's what you get. Seemed well put together.

ShadowHearth

appledrop wrote: »

Thanks for suggestion but really want a new car this time. I'm doing a lot of miles. There are also too many 2nd hand diesels out there not been driven enough which can't be good for engines.

I think I'll go with 1.6 + then maybe upgrade to Tiguan in few years if felt hadn't enough power. Would 2 litre not cost a lot more to tax/ insure/ fuel?

I drive a Seat myself. Took it out brand new. A bit different categories, but still Seat.
As my PCP going to end, I am thinking of another seat on second hand PCP. They just do a very damn good deal with that PCP offer and what you can pick up with it.
In the end of the day, you are the boss of your money and you will make decision. Just my own advice would be: go for 2.0 diesel at least. And thats coming from boards.ie diesel hater.

As for running costs. 2.0 will be better at high mileage, motorway/N road driving. It will use less fuel as it will need less "flooring". Tax and insurance will be pretty much same. And to top it up: in resale people will want 2.0 more then 1.6.

appledrop

micosoft wrote: »

Rented a brand new Ateca there - 2 litre Diesel Manual. Drove 1000km in three days, motorway and back roads. Decent car - great touch screen especially if you do Apple play.
Only thing I didn't like was the 5 speed gearbox - felt like it was missing a gear at certain speeds. But plenty of pickup.
Lot of hard plastics but at this price point that's what you get. Seemed well put together.

That's great to know thanks. The spec I looked at was actually excellence so really nice + very little plastic. Gosh a lot of you are saying look at 2 litre. Oh no more decisions to make!

appledrop

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I drive a Seat myself. Took it out brand new. A bit different categories, but still Seat.
As my PCP going to end, I am thinking of another seat on second hand PCP. They just do a very damn good deal with that PCP offer and what you can pick up with it.
In the end of the day, you are the boss of your money and you will make decision. Just my own advice would be: go for 2.0 diesel at least. And thats coming from boards.ie diesel hater.
As for running costs. 2.0 will be better at high mileage, motorway/N road driving. It will use less fuel as it will need less "flooring". Tax and insurance will be pretty much same. And to top it up: in resale people will want 2.0 more then 1.6.

I think I better now consider 2.0. Price is putting me off though. I want a nice spec model, leather seats etc as spend lot of time in the car. The 1.6 was giving me this but think 2.0 only available in top spec so very expensive.

I'd probably be better off then going back to consider Tiguan if looking at 2 litre + look at prices but then spending way more than I planned for!

bazz26

Is the Peugeot 3008 an option?

Shefwedfan

appledrop wrote: »

I'm not doing loads of small drives. My main drive is 60km each way everyday. Then my second drive is usually a 30 mins each way drive on average day to different areas.

The Petrol suggestion is nonsense. I actually had a petrol car when I started this job + it was a nightmare. Couldn't handle the distance I was doing + was forever getting parts of it replaced. I need a diesel. I couldn't care less what the market does.

So much wrong on this post but best of luck with buying the new car

Hope you get what you are looking for

The Ateca is a lovely car

theteal

bazz26 wrote: »

Is the Peugeot 3008 an option?

Aren't they more expensive again?
I could be wrong but I've a vague memory of them being surprisingly pricey when I looked into it a while ago. Nice though.

Krombopulos Michael

micosoft wrote: »

Rented a brand new Ateca there - 2 litre Diesel Manual. Drove 1000km in three days, motorway and back roads. Decent car - great touch screen especially if you do Apple play.
Only thing I didn't like was the 5 speed gearbox - felt like it was missing a gear at certain speeds. But plenty of pickup.
Lot of hard plastics but at this price point that's what you get. Seemed well put together.

Didn't realise that it was a 5 speed. That would put me right of getting the car.

Lantus

Yes a 2l would be a nicer drive but 1.6 is more than adequate and fuel efficient. Budget is a factor also.

It's probably the most popular engine in cars like octavia for families. I have one and can get 4l/100km give or take if it's just me on most roads.

If you need to tow or carry a regular heavy load and have the cash then go 2l. You can always test drive 1.6 engine in something similar if its not in the demo model.

I'd avoid the fancy low profile tyres if on offer. Not great on country roads.

Tiguan is lovely!

Casati

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Didn't realise that it was a 5 speed. That would put me right of getting the car.

It’s not, all 2.0 are six speed

Casati

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I wasn’t going to recommend electric

PS the electric will be 400+ km on a charge so you can drive as rural as you want but not the point

Really you should have a look at hybrid, long term it will be worth more....or even petrol and see what MPG you get, diesel is if you are doing a long 150km trip, not if you add up loads of trips and get the total

Petrol/hybrid is best if you are doing lots of shorts hops but very regular which is what you are doing....

The ass is going to fall out of diesel, it is already falling. Your car could double it’s depreciation over 3 years compared to a petrol and you will have paid more for the diesel

Ha ha, what a stupid comment- a high mileage petrol Ateca will lose at least 50% of value over three years, so by your definition double that depreciation will see the diesel worth nothing at all?? Hybrid market for suv’s Is extremely limited - can’t think of anything the same size as the Ateca or Tucson.

You reported back that a test drive your made in a RAV4 to return v poor fuel economy but let’s ignore that detail too

Krombopulos Michael

Casati wrote: »

It’s not, all 2.0 are six speed

I looked at the specs on Parkers.co.uk and it shows the 1.6 as a 6 speed also. guess ill just have to check when I go to test drive.

freddieot

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I wasn’t going to recommend electric

PS the electric will be 400+ km on a charge so you can drive as rural as you want but not the point

Really you should have a look at hybrid, long term it will be worth more....or even petrol and see what MPG you get, diesel is if you are doing a long 150km trip, not if you add up loads of trips and get the total

Petrol/hybrid is best if you are doing lots of shorts hops but very regular which is what you are doing....

The ass is going to fall out of diesel, it is already falling. Your car could double it’s depreciation over 3 years compared to a petrol and you will have paid more for the diesel

An electric SUV that goes 400+ on a charge - which one is that ?


Ass is falling out of diesel already - I don't see this. I traded in a diesel a few weeks ago and the ass had not fallen out of it. You could be right in ten years but not now. Not everyone is buying into panic mode..


I anything, you would lose your shirt if you buy now,on an expensive electric or hybrid in years to come as the technology is set to jump at an incredibly quick pace over the next five years or so. Just the same as there is probably a Windows 30 already prepped and ready to sell, the car manufacturers have Electric or Hybrid Versions 20,25, 30 ready to go and are only waiting for the best strategic time to release new products\ versions. They have to balance this against their financial interests shareholdings in the oil industry.

In about 5-8 years, existing and recent electric \ hybrids (unless they cost a fortune) will be as big a relic as the first iPhone - still working (just) but not exactly desired. We will all be able to buy 500+ electric cars including SUVs for no much more than we pay for the diesel ones now.

Shefwedfan

Casati wrote: »

Ha ha, what a stupid comment- a high mileage petrol Ateca will lose at least 50% of value over three years, so by your definition double that depreciation will see the diesel worth nothing at all?? Hybrid market for suv’s Is extremely limited - can’t think of anything the same size as the Ateca or Tucson.

You reported back that a test drive your made in a RAV4 to return v poor fuel economy but let’s ignore that detail too

Hybrid/petrol. Loads of petrols around.....
RAV4 review, as you seem to want to follow me around boards check my post from this weekend....6.8ltr/100km(not made up numbers like the 4ltr/100km above) and that was on the old model RAV with AWD....the new RAV would be a lot better but nearly 40k so that is why I didn't mention

Depreciation, well just take a look at the market and what the government is going to do with diesel over the next 3 years.....

As I said to the OP, best of luck with the new car, the Ateca is lovely.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I wasn’t going to recommend electric

PS the electric will be 400+ km on a charge so you can drive as rural as you want but not the point

Really you should have a look at hybrid, long term it will be worth more....or even petrol and see what MPG you get, diesel is if you are doing a long 150km trip, not if you add up loads of trips and get the total

Petrol/hybrid is best if you are doing lots of shorts hops but very regular which is what you are doing....

The ass is going to fall out of diesel, it is already falling. Your car could double it’s depreciation over 3 years compared to a petrol and you will have paid more for the diesel

Would you ever change the record you are spamming the thread with anti diesel nonsense.

Hybrids are expensive glorified petrol cars that have vastly exaggerated fuel economy, they don’t get near their claimed figures (just watch the reviews, RAV4 for example just about getting under 10L/100km in one) 150km a day is so far into diesel territory it’s not even a conversation.

Shefwedfan

Aryan Thousands Upstairs wrote: »

Would you ever change the record you are spamming the thread with anti diesel nonsense.

Well how many posts from different people all saying the same thing.....

I posted once about looking at an alternative once the OP confirmed what mileage they where doing. Then posted to wish them well with the choice

Since then its a barrage of posters like yourself falling over each other to post about diesel.

Maybe you give it a rest....the point was made by the previous 3-4 posters including the OP they are happy with diesel



As I said already, best of luck OP with the choice

Odyssey 2005

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well how many posts from different people all saying the same thing.....

I posted once about looking at an alternative once the OP confirmed what mileage they where doing. Then posted to wish them well with the choice

Since then its a barrage of posters like yourself falling over each other to post about diesel.

Maybe you give it a rest....the point was made by the previous 3-4 posters including the OP they are happy with diesel



As I said already, best of luck OP with the choice

The OP said in the OP that he wanted a diesel car. There was no need to mention anything else.

ShadowHearth

Hybrid is the new fashion thing all right. Thing is, if you drive 120-150km a day on mix of Motorway and N roads, then hybrid is the worst option. You might as well just go with petrol.

OP, have you considered Citroen c5 Air cross? It's a decent car focused on comfort. unfortunately I I test drove 1.2 petrol manual in very low trim. The engine really killed the whole experience for me. If you still want lower engine size, then 1.5 diesel with mid spec would fit your bill. It looks very cool and be something different in the sea of German and Korean Crossovers.

bazz26

theteal wrote: »

Aren't they more expensive again?
I could be wrong but I've a vague memory of them being surprisingly pricey when I looked into it a while ago. Nice though.

There is about 1k difference between the 3008 and Ateca.

DaveyDave

1.6 TDI does 0-100 in about 10.5 seconds, not fast by any means but not terribly slow. I know it's not a drag race but it should get around decent enough, it's lighter than the Tucson and 3008 so a fair bit quicker. Torque is only 250Nm though which is petrol territory.

The 2.0 won't have to work as hard getting around. The 1.6 should be fine and a DSG makes it feel quicker on the low end but if you're doing any sort of overtaking on the motorway you'll have to put the foot to the floor. The 2.0 will make this a lot easier and I wouldn't imagine there would be a huge increase in running costs.

A 2.0 DSG Xcellence trim looks to be around €38k with a few options. Leather is standard I believe. Tiguan looks to be about €2k more, it would be worth comparing them to see if the Seat is lacking any spec compared to the Tiguan.

Shefwedfan

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Hybrid is the new fashion thing all right. Thing is, if you drive 120-150km a day on mix of Motorway and N roads, then hybrid is the worst option. You might as well just go with petrol.

You might be a little bit wrong

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/which-goes-further-on-20-worth-of-fuel-hybrid-or-diesel-37475360.html

This was done by Eddie who hates all thing hybrid/electric. He test drove a 250k PHEV and wouldn't plug it in.....

ShadowHearth

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You might be a little bit wrong

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/which-goes-further-on-20-worth-of-fuel-hybrid-or-diesel-37475360.html

This was done by Eddie who hates all thing hybrid/electric. He test drove a 250k PHEV and wouldn't plug it in.....

And in it's route, it had a good chunk of urban route. So it had a chance to recharge. So it works. Plus it was a test once, that car was not living in pure motorway conditions.
I don't know about op, but I do 95% on M and N roads of my 130km daily work commute. Driving hybrid in these conditions even for weeks make it useless.
Don't understand me wrong, hybrid is fantastic for City drivers. It works there great and should be a first option over petrol and Diesel, but when we come to actual long journeys, hybrid is not suitable.

Shefwedfan

ShadowHearth wrote: »

And in it's route, it had a good chunk of urban route. So it had a chance to recharge. So it works. Plus it was a test once, that car was not living in pure motorway conditions.
I don't know about op, but I do 95% on M and N roads of my 130km daily work commute. Driving hybrid in these conditions even for weeks make it useless.
Don't understand me wrong, hybrid is fantastic for City drivers. It works there great and should be a first option over petrol and Diesel, but when we come to actual long journeys, hybrid is not suitable.

That was case 10 years ago....not with the current hybrid range.....