650 Gaming Build

Irishder

I hijacked a thread below, apologies. I am looking at building a gaming machine for my son. Budget is about 650 Euro. Would like it upgradable as possible. This is what i have so far.

Amd-ryzen-5-2600x 149
ASUS+TUF+B450-PLUS+GAMING+- 110.6226
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) 68.6424
TCSunBow - X3 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  23.2989
SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 580 NITRO+ 4 GB 199.2117
Case: SHARKOON - VG5 ATX Mid Tower Case    46.0428
Be quiet! - System Power 9 500 W 80+ Bronze 53.9571

Look ok?

Irishder

Meant to add ordering Asap and needs to be quiet

TerrorFirmer

I'd probably get the regular 2600 non-X, and put the money into a GTX1660 instead. Way better performance.

I also wouldn't spend such an amount on the motherboard for a budget build, a more basic €70 B450 will be perfectly fine and savings can go towards a better GPU.

Irishder

[PCPartPicker Part List](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/8vyvgw)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox) | €158.41 @ Custompc
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h) | €75.46 @ Custompc
**Memory** | [G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/FNprxr/gskill-aegis-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f43000c16d16gisb) | €84.95 @ Komplett
**Storage** | [TCSunBow - X3 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/8VfhP6/tcsunbow-x3-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-x3-240gb) |-
**Video Card** | [Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/sF648d/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-8gb-nitro-video-card-11265-01) | €227.23 @ Custompc
**Case** | [SHARKOON - VG5 ATX Mid Tower Case](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/cqQG3C/sharkoon-vg5-w-red-atx-mid-tower-case-vg5-w-red) |-
**Power Supply** | [be quiet! - System Power 9 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product/b37v6h/be-quiet-system-power-9-500-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-bn246) | €74.49 @ Custompc
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **€620.54**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2019-07-18 11:22 IST+0100 |

Irishder

hows that?

TerrorFirmer

It's fine, though again, a GTX1660 is actually around the same price as that 580 and much faster, as well as consuming less power. Amazong have an EVGA GTX1660 for £199 for example.

I would buy everything from the same place as well, and would avoid using CustomPC, they have a poor reputation.

Irishder

This the one?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07PJ4L2C4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

K.O.Kiki

Irishder wrote: »

This the one?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07PJ4L2C4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

For an extra £10 you can get a dual-fan model with fan-stop (turns GPU fan off when not gaming):

MSI

Irishder

Thanks another question.
The MSI B450 is the same price as the MSI B450M which is better?

Irishder

This one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FNKGZPM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

K.O.Kiki

Irishder wrote: »

This one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FNKGZPM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Get the ATX version - has more USB ports, better audio codec, audio output jacks, RAM slots, and fan headers.

Irishder

Thanks for that. This look ok before i push the buy button. Do i need anything else for the build like thermal paste etc.

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler - YD2600BBAFBOX
£119.00
• MSI GeForce GTX 1660 ARMOR 6G OC (6GB GDDR5/PCI Express 3.0/1845MHz/8000MHz)
£209.99
• MSI B450 GAMING PLUS Socket AM4 ATX Motherboard for AMD Ryzen Processors
£79.97
• Be Quiet! 500W System Power 9 PSU, 80+ Bronze, Dual 12V, Cont. Power
£66.53
• Sharkoon VG5-W Stylish Case for PC - Red
£40.46
• TCSUNBOW 240GB 250GB 256GB 2.5 Inch SSD With 256M Cache SATAIII 6GB/s Internal Solid State Hard Drive for Notebook Tablet Desktop PC(X3 240GB)
£20.99
• G.Skill AEGIS F4-3000C16D-16GISB Memoria 16GB DDR4 (2x8GB)
£60.26

Irishder

Amazon wont ship that power supply to ireland, any other one i could use?

K.O.Kiki

Irishder wrote: »

Amazon wont ship that power supply to ireland, any other one i could use?

In order of quality:

BEQUIET BN297 500 W

EVGA 650 BQ

Seasonic S12II 620W

EVGA 500 B1

EVGA 450 BT

Irishder

Found a supplier for this one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B079KBPXZJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Have it ordered now so hopefully will be ok. Thanks for all the help

Irishder

This is in transit now. What Operating System should i load. Windows 10 32bit or Windows 10 64 bit?


Thanks

M00lers

Irishder wrote: »

This is in transit now. What Operating System should i load. Windows 10 32bit or Windows 10 64 bit?


Thanks

64bit.

K.O.Kiki

To elaborate, 32-bit operating systems are limited to 4Gb RAM :pac:

Irishder

Built this last night, first build and no issues. Think i might of caught the bug as it is very satisfying building from scratch.

Really appreciate all your help. I've asked on the gaming forum but any game recomendations for a 12 year old who likes:

Sea of Thieves
Ark Survival
Minecraft

Something that gets the most outof the system and shows what it is capable of.

Thanks Again

BloodBath

Irishder wrote: »

Built this last night, first build and no issues. Think i might of caught the bug as it is very satisfying building from scratch.

Really appreciate all your help. I've asked on the gaming forum but any game recomendations for a 12 year old who likes:

Sea of Thieves
Ark Survival
Minecraft

Something that gets the most outof the system and shows what it is capable of.

Thanks Again

If he likes those I would say he'd like Rust, Subnautica, No Man's Sky, Fallout 76.

Apex legends and fortnite are good if you want free games. Most kid's his age love fortnite.

The epic launcher that you need for fortnite are giving away free games every month at the moment as well.

Irishder

Ran into a problem last night on this build, We have two monitors one is a good asus connected via display port. The other is a old dell it only has a dvi connector on it so i bought a hdmi to dvi converter. We connected it up and it works for extended desktop but we keep geeing blue screens. Disconnect the monitor and no issue.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Irishder

Only using one monitor now and keep getting BSOD, seems to happen when youtube is on with discord running as well.

I've updated all drivers.
Reinstalled the chipset from the DVD that came with the motherboard?

Any other ideas, child is really disappointed.

Really appreciate the help

Tomtata

Hey Irishder,

A couple of things;

- Download and run https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
- Post the BSOD message so we can see what is causing it (https://imgur.com/upload)

- The drivers on the DVD are most likely old - try the latest from - https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PLUS#down-driver&Win10%2064
- Did you use the brass risers when mounting the motherboard? If the motherboard is touching the backing plate it can cause BSOD's (obvious one but worth mentioning)

Irishder

Thanks for the replies.

So last night i ran memory checker to make sure the RAM was good. all ok

I installed live update 6 for the MSI motherboard and downloaded and installed updated drivers. You are correct saying the ones on the DVD are old. so hopefully this will do it.
There was little silver standoffs used to mount the motherboard, i presume this is the same as the brass risers?

If it happens again i will use https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

Thanks fort the help I really appreciate it.

Irishder

Hi it happened again

Irishder

Just saw my GPU driver was out of date, would that cause it?

M00lers

Irishder wrote: »

Just saw my GPU driver was out of date, would that cause it?

Looks like a RAM issue. What slots are they in? Should be in 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 if running 2 sticks.

Irishder

2 and 4, ran the memory checker and all good

M00lers

Irishder wrote: »

2 and 4, ran the memory checker and all good

Might be worth running the ram at a lower clock and see if it happens again. Little voltage bump might help but I'd check timings etc first.

K.O.Kiki

Careful with RAM voltage.
It should run fine at 1.35V (some motherboards wrongly set it to 1.2V) but any more than 1.4V is unnecessary.

Irishder

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Careful with RAM voltage.
It should run fine at 1.35V (some motherboards wrongly set it to 1.2V) but any more than 1.4V is unnecessary.

where do i check this?

Irishder

Crashed again different error message

Irishder

Should i bump it up?

Irishder

Happened again after upping the voltage ðŸ™

M00lers

Try 1.35v

Irishder

I did and it crashed again.

M00lers

Yup, but it should work at those speeds also.

Irishder

Thanks for your help any other ideas?

M00lers

Irishder wrote: »

Thanks for your help any other ideas?

Try load a RAM XMP (or whatever AM4 variant is called) profile or enter the speed and timings manually.

Irishder

Just looking at the last BSOD it looks different, ill let it run for a while and see it it happens again

deceit

With all the different codes your getting I would say this is a windows issue or a faulty drive/driver (for a faulty drive their are a number of pieces of software to test if its working as expected).
You could open cmd as administrator and run the command SFC /SCANNOW to see if their are any corrupt windows files.

If you know how you could try boot a live disc of linux and run this for a bit on the system and if it runs fine then you can look at Windows not playing nice with one of your components.
I had a similar issue with a system with lots of random bsods and it crashed all the time under Windows 10 but was fine under linux and windows 8.

Did you manually run a windows update. Last I checked if you run a windows update manually Microsoft puts you on the beta updates program which can cause instability for custom systems like ours.

Irishder

Just ran SFC/Scannow and got the following, would i be better off just reinstalling windows?

M00lers

Irishder wrote: »

Just ran SFC/Scannow and got the following, would i be better off just reinstalling windows?

At this stage, I would.. hopefully that will sort your issues.

Irishder

And would that be just reset this pc from the start menu?

M00lers

Irishder wrote: »

And would that be just reset this pc from the start menu?

I'd go the clean install via a USB stick route myself. But up to yourself.

Tomtata

Irishder wrote: »

Just saw my GPU driver was out of date, would that cause it?

Yes update to the latest stable release.

deceit

Before you reinstall windows I would run a scan on your harddrive and ensure that it is healthy.
This saves reinstalling and noticing you get a corrupt OS again if the drive is faulty.

deceit

You could also attempt to run the same command again in safemode, sometimes this helps.

You can also try this:
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth


Also if you want to send me the cbs.log I can review it for you and see if I can find out what the issue is.

Irishder

deceit wrote: »

You could also attempt to run the same command again in safemode, sometimes this helps.

You can also try this:
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth


Also if you want to send me the cbs.log I can review it for you and see if I can find out what the issue is.

I ran that command prompt last night and ran for an hour afterwards without a crash. ill send you the cbs.log later tonight if it does crash.

Thanks for the help

deceit

Irishder wrote: »

I ran that command prompt last night and ran for an hour afterwards without a crash. ill send you the cbs.log later tonight if it does crash.

Thanks for the help

Can you run this one now again after that one:
SFC/Scannow

Irishder

deceit wrote: »

Can you run this one now again after that one:
SFC/Scannow

Ill pop home for lunch and do it then.