Audi A6 v Passat v Arteon v what else!

mmc2010

Hi All, I would appreciate your advice. I am thinking of changing my 1.6l 161 Highline Passat and I've been considering the fore-mentioned motors. I'm not a expert on versions & exact models etc, so happy to take guidance on that too.

I like the extras in my Highline but would like an extra bit of power so I would want to go for a 2L diesel. I have a long commute to work, and do about 30k kms p.a. at least.

These are my priorities
- a bit of power to overtake when I need it.
- Comfort for long journeys - I want to reduce how tired I am from my commute
- I like all the extras - heated seats, the safety features, air con etc.
- a car that 'holds the road' if that makes sense
- a bit of space.
- a nice looking car

Thanks very much!

Stallingrad

I'd add a Skoda Superb to that list, will tick all those boxes for a good deal less than those options. A Passat and 5 series preceded mine, and I prefer the Superb to both of them.

kirving

Whats your budget?

elperello

If it doesn't have to be a VAG car then the Peugeot 508 might suit.
Lovely looking car and comes with a 2 litre option.
Also a 5 year guarantee.

https://media-ct-ndp.peugeot.com/file/78/3/new-peugeot-508-spec-sheet.pdf?lcdv16=1PR8A5VLK1B0XXXX

(I have no commercial connection)

kirving

elperello wrote: »

If it doesn't have to be a VAG car then the Peugeot 508 might suit.
Lovely looking car and comes with a 2 litre option.
Also a 5 year guarantee.

https://media-ct-ndp.peugeot.com/file/78/3/new-peugeot-508-spec-sheet.pdf?lcdv16=1PR8A5VLK1B0XXXX

(I have no commercial connection)

If the OP is looking at a 3 year old Passat, I think that could be out of budget, nice and all as it is.

elperello

Kevin Irving wrote: »

If the OP is looking at a 3 year old Passat, I think that could be out of budget, nice and all as it is.

He is driving a 3 year old Passat and looking to upgrade.

The Peugeot is drop dead gorgeous though isn't it

DaveyDave

Another +1 for the 508. GT Line with the 180hp 2.0 is €43k. The Allure spec with the 180hp is €40k and still has decent kit on it

Downside of the 508 is it's a bit short on headroom on the back for taller adults if you carry passengers in the back.

In saying that, it rivals the Passat. The Arteon and A6 are bigger cars and a class above the Passat and 508 so it depends on if you want a bigger, nicer car than a well specced Passat or 508?

bazz26

The Arteon is a Passat in a prettier, sleeker body, they even share the same dashboard. The A6 is a bigger car altogether.

RoscommonTom

DaveyDave wrote: »

Another +1 for the 508. GT Line with the 180hp 2.0 is €43k. The Allure spec with the 180hp is €40k and still has decent kit on it

Downside of the 508 is it's a bit short on headroom on the back for taller adults if you carry passengers in the back.

In saying that, it rivals the Passat. The Arteon and A6 are bigger cars and a class above the Passat and 508 so it depends on if you want a bigger, nicer car than a well specced Passat or 508?

the 508 looks lovely but id worry shed lose value very fast compared to the passat,

mmc2010

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Whats your budget?

My budget is mid to late thirties, depending on what I get for my own, so I would probably have to go back a couple of years on all my initial suggestions.

I do like the thought of both the Superb and the 508. I started off my driving in peugeots so it would be a happy drive down memory lane....:rolleyes: I hadn't even considered these, so thanks!

Shefwedfan

What type of driving you doing?

All of the above are diesel but are you doing diesel mileage?

kirving

elperello wrote: »

He is driving a 3 year old Passat and looking to upgrade.

The Peugeot is drop dead gorgeous though isn't it

Sorry, my mistake reading on a phone. The 508 is a gorgeous car inside and out. Definitely a stand out from the German competition.

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

Shefwedfan wrote:

What type of driving you doing?

Did you not read the OP

mmc2010

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What type of driving you doing?

All of the above are diesel but are you doing diesel mileage?

I do about 100kms a day commuting, about half on good roads (motor way/ main roads), half on smaller windy roads

bazz26

The Passat is getting it's mid life facelift/revamp and will be available from October.

MarkN

They’re all very different cars. The A6 is not really comparable with the others.

The 508 is better looking than most, the Arteon is lovely but at the money you might get as well get the Audi.

If it’s a company car allowance, get a highly specced 508 GT Line.

elperello

RoscommonTom wrote: »

the 508 looks lovely but id worry shed lose value very fast compared to the passat,

Yes that could be the Achilles Heel all right.
But if you could live with the depreciation the looks of the 508 might tempt you.

Shefwedfan

Out of all of them I would go
A6
5 series
or Toyota Camry

The A6 over the 5 series because of personal preference and then if you are looking for an alternative to diesel the Camry which is a beautiful car, mate bought new one and loves it

I was even shocked today in a VW dealer and sales person came out and asked if we should be buying petrol and not diesel, also the resale value of petrol will be better in years to come

shygal

I think the volvo s90 looks and feels srsly good. And if you dont want the same 2.0l found in all those vag cars you mention, perhaps consider this.

GavMan

Presume it doesn't have to be new. For me, gotta be a Superb in sportline or L&K trim

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/superb/used-2018-181-skoda-superb-sportline-dublin-fpa-201907029646121

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/superb/used-2018-181-skoda-superb-sportline-westmeath-fpa-201807118342257

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/superb/used-2019-191-skoda-superb-spt-2-0tdi-limerick-fpa-201904307466610

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/superb/used-2018-181-skoda-superb-l-k-2-0tdi-cork-fpa-201907069787745

There are some combi's out there at good value too if that is your thing. They look great too

DaveyDave

Am I right in saying the 1.6 TDI in the Passat is 120hp and 250Nm torque? I was thinking the 150hp may not be much in the Superb but the 0-100 is 2 seconds quicker (8.8) and torque is 340Nm. Should shift well enough in comparison?

I'd be getting a DSG regardless of the engine though.

That black one looks the business with those wheels.

Shefwedfan

Not sure why you would step down to a Skoda

Move up to Audi or BMW would make sense or stick with the Vw brand....

colm_mcm

They won’t like that....

elperello

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not sure why you would step down to a Skoda

Move up to Audi or BMW would make sense or stick with the Vw brand....

Trouble is the 5 series and A6 start at €51,000.
He can get a very nice Skoda, Peugeot or VW for less than €40,000.
Or even as you suggested the Camry at c. €40,000.

Shefwedfan

elperello wrote: »

Trouble is the 5 series and A6 start at €51,000.
He can get a very nice Skoda, Peugeot or VW for less than €40,000.
Or even as you suggested the Camry at c. €40,000.

I would guess the OP is looking at second hand for A6....

The Camry is now positioned in market against the A6 etc, that’s according to Toyota, leather seats as standard etc.

beauf

I like the looks of the superb the best. In the right color it's sharp and modern.

elperello

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would guess the OP is looking at second hand for A6....

The Camry is now positioned in market against the A6 etc, that’s according to Toyota, leather seats as standard etc.

Sorry, I didn't think second hand was on his mind. If so he could go to the UK and do a good deal (before the no deal, so to speak).

I'm not sure if Toyota will get away with marketing the Camry vs. A6 but the jury is out on that.

bazz26

DaveyDave wrote: »

Am I right in saying the 1.6 TDI in the Passat is 120hp and 250Nm torque? I was thinking the 150hp may not be much in the Superb but the 0-100 is 2 seconds quicker (8.8) and torque is 340Nm. Should shift well enough in comparison?

I'd be getting a DSG regardless of the engine though.

That black one looks the business with those wheels.

The 1.6 TDi in the Passat was dropped late last year due to WLTP. It is to reappear again in the facelift from October but realistically it's underwhelming in a car the size of a Passat.

mmc2010

elperello wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't think second hand was on his mind. If so he could go to the UK and do a good deal (before the no deal, so to speak).

I'm not sure if Toyota will get away with marketing the Camry vs. A6 but the jury is out on that.

Thanks very much folks for your responses so far. Firstly, he's a she

I would be looking at a second hand A6, maybe a 181 from the UK. Are they worth the money though? Am I getting as good a car in a Superb for less money. While I love the look of an A6, really it is the comfort and spec I'd be after.

Shefwedfan

mmc2010 wrote: »

Thanks very much folks for your responses so far. Firstly, he's a she

I would be looking at a second hand A6, maybe a 181 from the UK. Are they worth the money though? Am I getting as good a car in a Superb for less money. While I love the look of an A6, really it is the comfort and spec I'd be after.

I had A6 and it was beautiful, I was doing 200-300km a day and it was a lovely place to do that mileages, changed locations and sold as I was now doing 60km a day

They would be a huge step up from a Skoda and a decent jump up from a Passat

Really if looking at A6 you should be comparing with 5 series etc.

If Passat or Skoda then really it should be compared to A4 or A5 if you want a sporty A4.....

The A6 is big compared to the Passat, I moved from A4 up to it and it was noticeable difference when parking and especially in the lovely Dublin car parks which are built for minis

GavMan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I had A6 and it was beautiful, I was doing 200-300km a day and it was a lovely place to do that mileages, changed locations and sold as I was now doing 60km a day

They would be a huge step up from a Skoda and a decent jump up from a Passat

Really if looking at A6 you should be comparing with 5 series etc.

If Passat or Skoda then really it should be compared to A4 or A5 if you want a sporty A4.....

The A6 is big compared to the Passat, I moved from A4 up to it and it was noticeable difference when parking and especially in the lovely Dublin car parks which are built for minis

Are you speaking from experience regarding the Superb? I have driven them and quality is absolutely excellent. Skoda have (at the top end of their trims) completely blurred the lines between Skoda/VW/Audi. Granted I've only sat in an A6 once but I really don't think the gap is 'huge' and you will certainly pay for your 181 import in a good spec

OP, do try both is my advice and blow the difference on a holiday or something

Shefwedfan

GavMan wrote: »

Are you speaking from experience regarding the Superb? I have driven them and quality is absolutely excellent. Skoda have (at the top end of their trims) completely blurred the lines between Skoda/VW/Audi. Granted I've only sat in an A6 once but I really don't think the gap is 'huge' and you will certainly pay for your 181 import in a good spec

OP, do try both is my advice and blow the difference on a holiday or something

I have driven plenty of Skoda, they seem to be a favourite with rental companies and also for lease companies so was lucky only had to take for a few days each time

You only sat in an A6 but don’t think gap is big? Unless you driven an A6 then will never know the difference

The superb is based on the Passat as well not the A6 so it’s not really a comparison, as above compare the Superb to the A4 or Passat....

Skoda at the end of the day is the budget brand for VW and Audi is the premium brand.....that’s never going to change so no lines are blurred at all

GustavoFring

GavMan wrote: »

Are you speaking from experience regarding the Superb? I have driven them and quality is absolutely excellent. Skoda have (at the top end of their trims) completely blurred the lines between Skoda/VW/Audi. Granted I've only sat in an A6 once but I really don't think the gap is 'huge' and you will certainly pay for your 181 import in a good spec

OP, do try both is my advice and blow the difference on a holiday or something

I sold a 9 month old Superb Sportline and one of the main reasons was the build quality to be honest.

I'm not saying an A6 or Passat will be faultless either but they might have blurred the lines on perceived quality/the touchy-feely stuff but they genuinely have a way to go. Octy VRS I had before it I would class as better built despite feeling cheaper.

Shefwedfan

GustavoFring wrote: »

I sold a 9 month old Superb Sportline and one of the main reasons was the build quality to be honest.

I'm not saying an A6 or Passat will be faultless either but they might have blurred the lines on perceived quality/the touchy-feely stuff but they genuinely have a way to go. Octy VRS I had before it I would class as better built despite feeling cheaper.

Skoda is cheap for a reason....

Why would VW sell a cheap car and make it the same as it’s premium VW and Audi brands?

Drive a Passat and then an A4 and it is a noticeable step up so trying to say a Skoda is the same is laughable.....

Stallingrad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The superb is based on the Passat as well not the A6 so it’s not really a comparison, as above compare the Superb to the A4 or Passat....

Audi interior is on a different planet to Skoda for desirability and the touchy feely stuff. Even though the Superb interior is not bad at all. If you can see beyond that the lines do certainly get blurred. Refinement, comfort, space, toys, the Suberb is right in the mix or better.

Surveys also show the Superb to be a better bet for owner satisfaction and reliability.

Squeaksoutloud

A6 would be the old model presumably so I wouldn't go with that. Passat facelift in 2.0 might be a good option as plenty of new tech upgrades on the way. Arteon might be a good second hand buy but hard to justify the premium over the Passat. They are bigger inside though and a very large car overall..closer to A6 than the Passat is. Superb I looked at last year and as Passat was almost the same price I didn't find the Skoda good value at all. Passat so for me.

MarkN

First things first, Skoda aren't cheap anymore. If you think they are, look again at their website.

The Superb is simply a great all round car and in Sportline, Ambition etc they're fairly nice. The A6 (old model or new model) is a definite step up however and they're a step up over the new Camry too - especially the new A6, there's no way they can be compared other than the fact that they've both got 4 wheels.

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I had A6 and it was beautiful, I was doing 200-300km a day and it was a lovely place to do that mileages, changed locations and sold as I was now doing 60km a day

They would be a huge step up from a Skoda and a decent jump up from a Passat

Really if looking at A6 you should be comparing with 5 series etc.

If Passat or Skoda then really it should be compared to A4 or A5 if you want a sporty A4.....

The A6 is big compared to the Passat, I moved from A4 up to it and it was noticeable difference when parking and especially in the lovely Dublin car parks which are built for minis

Second that on a6 comfort. Drove one around Scotland for hundreds of miles and it was a joy. Get a nice leather heated seat. Easy choice between those options.

Stallingrad

MarkN wrote: »

First things first, Skoda aren't cheap anymore. If you think they are, look again at their website.

Neither are cheap, but one is significantly cheaper. There is €14k between equivalent models, Superb Style and A6 SE. The A6 is a great, desirable car, but IMO not €14k better.

A 1-2 year old A6 V new Superb, that choice becomes a bit easier. Kind of.

Shefwedfan

Stallingrad wrote: »

Neither are cheap, but one is significantly cheaper. There is €14k between equivalent models, Superb Style and A6 SE. The A6 is a great, desirable car, but IMO not €14k better.

A 1-2 year old A6 V new Superb, that choice becomes a bit easier. Kind of.

The Superb is a Passat not an A6, the A6 is noticeable bigger inside

Stallingrad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The Superb is a Passat not an A6, the A6 is noticeable bigger inside

No way is the A6 bigger inside than the Superb! Rear legroom is S-Class spacious. The Superb is way more spacious than my previous F10 5 series, same class as A6.

Someone get a tape measure. :-)

Shefwedfan

Stallingrad wrote: »

Audi interior is on a different planet to Skoda for desirability and the touchy feely stuff. Even though the Superb interior is not bad at all. If you can see beyond that the lines do certainly get blurred. Refinement, comfort, space, toys, the Suberb is right in the mix or better.

Surveys also show the Superb to be a better bet for owner satisfaction and reliability.

To be fair people buying an A6 have a different set of requirement to buying a Skoda.

If you are looking at A6 you are looking at 5 series and Merc etc

Most people seem to be satisfied with a Skoda because they are cheap.....

elperello

The Superb is a grand big well built car that starts at 29k.
The A6 is a grand big well built car that starts at 51k.

Shefwedfan

elperello wrote: »

The Superb is a grand big well built car that starts at 29k.
The A6 is a grand big well built car that starts at 51k.

While your at it sure compare a Superb with a Q7, it’s just as irrelevant as the comparison above

Henry Ford III

Ok ok we get it. An A6 is bigger, plusher and more expensive.

p.s. Skoda's may be cheaper, but they aren't cheap.

elperello

Shefwedfan wrote: »

While your at it sure compare a Superb with a Q7, it’s just as irrelevant as the comparison above

Not comparing just pointing out that that there is over 20k between them at the base.

As you suggest the comparison is unfair.

ceegee

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The Superb is a Passat not an A6, the A6 is noticeable bigger inside

A6 wheelbase has a 7cm longer wheelbase, not sure I'd class that as noticeably bigger, the Superb is 3cm taller and has an extra 95 litres of boot space

adox

Its like a time warp constantly calling Skodas "cheap" cars.

DaveyDave

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Ok ok we get it. An A6 is bigger, plusher and more expensive.

p.s. Skoda's may be cheaper, but they aren't cheap.

This, we can discuss Superb Vs A6 all we want bit it's down to the OP To have a look and figure out what they want in terms of quality. It will still be a well specced, comfortably and decently powered car.

Might not be on the same page as an A6 and a step below the Passat but it's not a terrible car. We're not talking about a Dacia here.

It's down to what sort of quality the OP wants.

vectra

Mondeo ST line
2.0/150
Fabtastic cruiser and ultra comfy compared to any VAG car I have owned.

colm_mcm

elperello wrote: »

I'm not sure if Toyota will get away with marketing the Camry vs. A6 but the jury is out on that.

I don’t think even the Lexus ES can compete with the A6 nevermind the Camry.

vectra wrote: »

Mondeo ST line
2.0/150
Fabtastic cruiser and ultra comfy compared to any VAG car I have owned.

Hanging on to it then?

Have to agree about comfort and refinement. They’re eerily quiet for something in that class. They suffer from the same issue as every mondeo though - popularity.