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kids throwing stones at cyclists

  • 08-07-2019 5:36pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭


    anybody having issues with kids throwing pebbles stones over the last week or so around 5pm on the grand canal near the 7th lock!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Aaaah, the annual grand canal thread :) Sunny weather brings the scum out, expect muggings etc.. to increase again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭coward


    Sadly this topic pops up every year around this time. I avoid that section of the canal in the evenings for that very reason. Though I've been hit with far bigger than stones. First few weeks of school holidays are when it is at its peak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Dole kids with nothing to do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭thebourke


    got hit twice over the last 2 days!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Seems to be ok from Park West back towards Ballyfermot, there was a bunch of kids near Ballyfermot yesterday but they weren't bothering anyone

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭twinsen


    It was last year when they done this to me and my friend.
    One of the stones that flew over us was fist size, my friend got hit by the smaller one.
    We rang Garda and waited patiently for over 45 minutes watching kids from the distance.
    They never showed up. Not much you can do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭ridelikeaturtle


    I think the term "anti-social behavior" has lessened and diminished the impact of this sort of assault, as if it was a "normal" thing for kids to do. As with anything, it'll take someone getting cracked in the head with a brick for any attention to be paid.

    When calling the Garda, do you tell them you've been assaulted? I think saying "some kids threw a rock at me" isn't going to get the desired effect. Being clear about saying "I was assaulted" - which is exactly what this is - may be more effective in getting the point across.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Mr. Grieves


    I think the term "anti-social behavior" has lessened and diminished the impact of this sort of assault, as if it was a "normal" thing for kids to do. As with anything, it'll take someone getting cracked in the head with a brick for any attention to be paid.

    When calling the Garda, do you tell them you've been assaulted? I think saying "some kids threw a rock at me" isn't going to get the desired effect. Being clear about saying "I was assaulted" - which is exactly what this is - may be more effective in getting the point across.

    When a friend of mine was mugged along there, the Guards came very quickly, apparently because they misheard him on the phone and thought a knife was involved. The original lads were gone by then but they picked up some others passing by with stolen goods.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    ^^That's the solution there. Tell the guards there's some Juves with a knife throwing rocks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    ^^That's the solution there. Tell the guards there's some Juves with a knife throwing rocks.

    Throwing throwing knives?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    don't give them ideas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    ^^That's the solution there. Tell the guards there's some Juves with a knife throwing rocks.

    Tell them not to rush as you've brought your favourite axe, and you've got one of them cornered!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 J11


    Them kids are always at it. Had a rock/mud graze my face before when I was cycling home from a place I used to work in the IFSC. Absolute scum of the earth. It's only when I stopped did he **** himself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 J11


    They target people coming home in the evening time, so if you work in the IFSC area watch out for kids on the right where the embankment is. It's absolutely shameless and the parents should be reprimanded.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    J11 wrote: »
    It's absolutely shameless and the parents should be beheaded and their heads put on spikes on the city walls as a warning to others

    FYP :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    Another good reason to wear a helmet folks

    ( I'll see myself out, cheers)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    Another good reason to wear a helmet folks

    ( I'll see myself out, cheers)

    Would need to be a full face helmet; kids managed to hit my ear with a stone. Called the guards but never heard from them again, I wasn't the first person to call that day. Stopped using the canal a couple of years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Peter T


    nak wrote: »
    Would need to be a full face helmet; kids managed to hit my ear with a stone. Called the guards but never heard from them again, I wasn't the first person to call that day. Stopped using the canal a couple of years ago.

    I thought you were lining up for a joke... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    Peter T wrote: »
    I thought you were lining up for a joke... :pac:

    Sadly not, hearing intact but the little sh***s cut my ear. Doubt they would have thrown stones at a woman walking along the canal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Where's the seventh lock?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    Where's the seventh lock?

    Between the sixth and eight locks :p (sorry)

    It's beside the Kileen Road, roughly between Ballyfermot and the Longmile road area - prime area for the kind of issues mentioned above.

    I dropped a car to a place in north Kildare the other day, taking my bike from the boot to ride home, and Google maps suggested I cycle along the canal, back into Dublin city centre - I decided against it after reading the earlier threads on it here, and detoured from Peamount Hospital, through Tallaght, Firhouse, Rathfarnham and into town that way - extra 10km, but more peace of mind...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,025 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    nak wrote: »
    Would need to be a full face helmet; kids managed to hit my ear with a stone. Called the guards but never heard from them again, I wasn't the first person to call that day. Stopped using the canal a couple of years ago.

    In fairness, what are the Guards going to do?

    There is very little ways for them to either investigate or tackle this type of thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    nak wrote: »
    Sadly not, hearing intact but the little sh***s cut my ear. Doubt they would have thrown stones at a woman walking along the canal.

    Yes they would. Witnessed a female cyclist suffer their inaccurate barrage last summer holidays.



    As minors the legal system is powerless. I really hope they pick on the wrong bloke (Krav maga, boxer, whatever) and get a hiding. Only thing that'll learn em.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭ridelikeaturtle


    Tony EH wrote: »
    In fairness, what are the Guards going to do?

    There is very little ways for them to either investigate or tackle this type of thing.

    That's not a valid reason to do nothing; and it's not the victims' responsibility to arrive at a solution, though the Garda "engaging with people in the community" (i.e., contacting parents in the area) would be a good start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,025 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's not a valid reason to do nothing; and it's not the victims' responsibility to arrive at a solution, though the Garda "engaging with people in the community" (i.e., contacting parents in the area) would be a good start.

    You'd only get parents accusing the Gardai of harassment then. It simply wouldn't work and might even spur on more little shits to do the same thing.

    Plus they don't have the manpower to go around every scumhole knocking doors "engaging".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭ridelikeaturtle


    Tony EH wrote: »
    You'd only get parents accusing the Gardai of harassment then. It simply wouldn't work and might even spur on more little shits to do the same thing.

    Plus they don't have the manpower to go around every scumhole knocking doors "engaging".

    ... and that's why there are areas in Dublin that cyclists are rightly avoiding.

    Good luck getting more people onto bikes, reducing the number of cars in the city, and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,025 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ... and that's why there are areas in Dublin that cyclists are rightly avoiding.

    I'm sure there is.

    In saying that, I've never experienced any stone throwing myself.


    Cue: Famous last words.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,361 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Got a brick thrown at me by some little 10 year old about two years ago at the Ballyfermot gate. Two of them smashing bottles then one threw the brick, fortunately hit the back wheel and not me. If it wasn't for the 5 or so teenagers hanging out nearby I would have knocked the ****e out of him. Called the Ballyfermot Garda station and the woman on the phone thought I was talking about Ninth Lock...

    Passed the odd dodgy character at night between Ninth Lock and the Grange Castle gate, and having to stop and go through a gate that had 4-5 lads literally sitting on it didn't help, but surprisingly never had trouble apart from the brick.

    Biggest issue is fcking dog walkers having the lead stretched out across the whole path or no lead at all. There's CLEARLY cyclists around.

    I tend to avoid it now unless it's during school hours as there seems to be more people walking along these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I saw the IFSC Lidl wetsuit kids repeatedly throwing footballs in front of cyclists in the bike lane there a couple of weeks ago, one girl came off but wasn’t hurt. Is there any other city in Europe where you’d have this carry on in the city centre? Put them in sink estates outside the M50 and build high rise apartments for normal people in the inner city social housing areas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Is that here? Kylemore Road? And are the locks numbered, is there some way you can see which is which?

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Killeen+Rd,+Dublin/Long+Mile+Rd,+Dublin/@53.3313513,-6.3499959,303m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670cbf5781abdf:0xf2f9854bcc0bce3f!2m2!1d-6.3589372!2d53.329457!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670c96ca792d6b:0xb2fb75919ff77bcb!2m2!1d-6.3403586!2d53.3237501!3e2

    I wouldn't myself blame the lack of garda enforcement so much as the withdrawal of funds for summer projects; bored kids get up to mischief. If these kids were in summer projects, going camping in the mountains, playing organised games - even cycling and learning to take bikes apart and fix them - they wouldn't be at this nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    I saw the IFSC Lidl wetsuit kids repeatedly throwing footballs in front of cyclists in the bike lane there a couple of weeks ago, one girl came off but wasn’t hurt. Is there any other city in Europe where you’d have this carry on in the city centre? Put them in sink estates outside the M50 and build high rise apartments for normal people in the inner city social housing areas.

    How do you know the kids are from social housing?

    And yes London, Paris, Naples, Milan to name but a few. In London you'd have acid thrown in your face never mind a football.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭ridelikeaturtle


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    ...
    I wouldn't myself blame the lack of garda enforcement so much as the withdrawal of funds for summer projects; bored kids get up to mischief. If these kids were in summer projects, going camping in the mountains, playing organised games - even cycling and learning to take bikes apart and fix them - they wouldn't be at this nonsense.

    "... bored kids get up to mischief."

    This may be true; but no one should accept this as a valid excuse to normalise assaulting cyclists, or engaging in any other sort of destructive, abusive behavior.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    "... bored kids get up to mischief."

    This may be true; but no one should accept this as a valid excuse to normalise assaulting cyclists, or engaging in any other sort of destructive, abusive behavior.

    I'm not doing so; I'm saying that the way to stop it is not to have The Man come down heavy on them, but to put their idle little hands to better work. Blame the last two governments for their rape of funding for kids' summer projects and other social work.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "... bored kids get up to mischief."

    This may be true; but no one should accept this as a valid excuse to normalise assaulting cyclists, or engaging in any other sort of destructive, abusive behavior.


    Kid's have been throwing stones at everything since time began...... especially bored and disenfranchised youngsters.........


    I see another poster reference the "Scum"..... Nice language.


    As a cyclist I don't like things thrown at me.


    As a human being I can fully understand frustrated, disenfranchised, forgotten, and "scum" youth throwing just about anything at just about anything.........



    I wonder do Hyena's have many "scumbags" in their midst or is "scumminess" merely a Human Trait ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    ED E wrote: »
    Yes they would. Witnessed a female cyclist suffer their inaccurate barrage last summer holidays.



    As minors the legal system is powerless. I really hope they pick on the wrong bloke (Krav maga, boxer, whatever) and get a hiding. Only thing that'll learn em.

    I am female, my point was that they wouldn't throw stones at a woman walking along the street so why should a cyclist be any different.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭iHungry


    How do you know the kids are from social housing?

    And yes London, Paris, Naples, Milan to name but a few. In London you'd have acid thrown in your face never mind a football.

    That's the way we will end up too if people aren't punished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭ridelikeaturtle


    nak wrote: »
    I am female, my point was that they wouldn't throw stones at a woman walking along the street so why should a cyclist be any different.

    Is that because the Garda would take this seriously and start knocking on doors, if someone walking down the street was assaulted, as opposed to a cyclist?

    "Because, hey, it's just throwing some tiny rocks at cyclists, they're even wearing helmets loike..."


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    As a human being I can fully understand frustrated, disenfranchised, forgotten, and "scum" youth throwing just about anything at just about anything.........

    Doesn't make it in any way acceptable though, does it? I note from this and other threads that many cyclists are afraid to use certain stretches of the Grand Canal due to attacks and muggings and this fear seems to be reasonably founded. How would you suggest we address this problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭893bet


    Kid's have been throwing stones at everything since time began...... especially bored and disenfranchised youngsters.........


    I see another poster reference the "Scum"..... Nice language.


    As a cyclist I don't like things thrown at me.


    As a human being I can fully understand frustrated, disenfranchised, forgotten, and "scum" youth throwing just about anything at just about anything.........



    I wonder do Hyena's have many "scumbags" in their midst or is "scumminess" merely a Human Trait ?

    Yes scummy kids have being doing it since time began.

    I know a lot of children and very few of them would consider throwing rocks at people.

    Bored my ass. There are a million things kids can do and get involved in.


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kid's have been throwing stones at everything since time began...... especially bored and disenfranchised youngsters.........

    I see another poster reference the "Scum"..... Nice language.

    As a cyclist I don't like things thrown at me.

    As a human being I can fully understand frustrated, disenfranchised, forgotten, and "scum" youth throwing just about anything at just about anything.........

    I wonder do Hyena's have many "scumbags" in their midst or is "scumminess" merely a Human Trait ?




    The 'nothing to do' nonsense has been spouted since time began, too. There's no end of things to do. There's clubs and groups and what-have-you all over the place. Whether you're into football, ballet, acting or woodworking there's a club for it.




    There are thousands of bored kids around the country. They're not out assaulting people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    I think part of the issue is that a number of the incidents are happening along a stretch of canal that is between 2 garda stations plus a lack of resources.

    It's not up to the guards to parent other people's kids; if they're not being taught to respect other people at home their behaviour sadly won't change.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,860 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    smacl wrote: »
    How would you suggest we address this problem?
    deep societal changes?

    i know a few people who volunteer for the vincent de paul. my mother used to volunteer for barnardos. from the stories i heard, if some of the kids they dealt with only end up throwing stones at cyclists, we'll be lucky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭niallo32


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    Is that here? Kylemore Road? And are the locks numbered, is there some way you can see which is which?

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Killeen+Rd,+Dublin/Long+Mile+Rd,+Dublin/@53.3313513,-6.3499959,303m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670cbf5781abdf:0xf2f9854bcc0bce3f!2m2!1d-6.3589372!2d53.329457!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670c96ca792d6b:0xb2fb75919ff77bcb!2m2!1d-6.3403586!2d53.3237501!3e2

    I wouldn't myself blame the lack of garda enforcement so much as the withdrawal of funds for summer projects; bored kids get up to mischief. If these kids were in summer projects, going camping in the mountains, playing organised games - even cycling and learning to take bikes apart and fix them - they wouldn't be at this nonsense.

    That's the one. They generally congregate in summer from the lock @ Parkwest down as far as the kissing gate at Bluebell


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    deep societal changes?

    i know a few people who volunteer for the vincent de paul. my mother used to volunteer for barnardos. from the stories i heard, if some of the kids they dealt with only end up throwing stones at cyclists, we'll be lucky.

    Do they end up throwing stones at cyclists though or is that where they start? I agree entirely it is a societal issue put don't see much in the way of political will or strength of character to change it at this point in time. It beggars belief the rate at which we're pissing money against the wall in this country so soon after a crippling recession while so many of our key public service workers struggle to survive.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,860 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the kids i heard about would have been too young to start that; it was tales of abuse of the kids themselves i was hearing about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    How do you know the kids are from social housing?

    And yes London, Paris, Naples, Milan to name but a few. In London you'd have acid thrown in your face never mind a football.

    Yeah actually maybe they strolled over from Donnybrook or Clontarf to harass workers in the IFSC.
    4 years cycling in London and you don't see street urchins there like we have here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,025 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    4 years cycling in London and you don't see street urchins there like we have here.

    I rather a pebble chucked at me than a knife in the ribs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    I'm not doing so; I'm saying that the way to stop it is not to have The Man come down heavy on them, but to put their idle little hands to better work. Blame the last two governments for their rape of funding for kids' summer projects and other social work.

    There is more for the kids to do these days than when we were young and we would of never of tried to harm people like that, get a smack across the head for it by the cyclist.

    Wouldn't blame the government, that's the easy way out.
    Kids are now brought up with no respect because their parents have none and kids have no fear anymore cause no one can punish them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There is more for the kids to do these days than when we were young and we would of never of tried to harm people like that, get a smack across the head for it by the cyclist.

    Wouldn't blame the government, that's the easy way out.
    Kids are now brought up with no respect because their parents have none and kids have no fear anymore cause no one can punish them

    Ha, I'm afraid my dad used to get stones thrown at him in the 80s and 90s cycling through ballybough and summerhill. Townies were ways the same!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    Yea I really don't buy this "they are downtrodden & have no facilities" line. I grew up in a good area & when I came home from school I'd go out & play football, puck a sliotar around, play rugby, climb trees etc.
    Then when being a bit rebellious you'd play nick knocks on peoples door. The worst I did was egg a house one time when i was about 12 & got a smack on the back of the head from the guy that owned the house when he tracked me down & he dragged me back to my mam who did the same & made me mow his garden for the summer.

    The bit they're missing isn't facilities, it's parenting.


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