Does your employer have an EV charger?

NIMAN

Just wondering how many of us here have an employer who provides an EV charger at work?

And if so, how many are available?

Mine installed one (capacity 2 cars at once) a few months back. Going great so far, free to use, but I can see capacity being an issue in the very near future.

fricatus

NIMAN wrote: »

Mine installed one (capacity 2 cars at once) a few months back. Going great so far, free to use, but I can see capacity being an issue in the very near future.

Pretty much exactly the same here. Mine is the only EV on site, but the installation of the charger has piqued people's interest (much more than when I got the car), so I imagine I'll have company soon. Anyway it's a lovely free perk for now, and if I lose it, so be it.

jaxxx

fricatus wrote: »

Pretty much exactly the same here. Mine is the only EV on site, but the installation of the charger has piqued people's interest (much more than when I got the car), so I imagine I'll have company soon. Anyway it's a lovely free perk for now, and if I lose it, so be it.

How long until the government decides to treat this as a Benefit In Kind? :rolleyes:

yop

Ya we have a station. 2 chargers. Activated by badge. Seems to be getting busier by the months though

kanuseeme

Maybe edit your posts with the Kw available, even outdoor sockets would be handy and cheaper.

slave1

Nope and never will, same with last employer, a lot of the business is minimum wage staff so in these companies there's no way they'll be taking cap ex spend and free electricity on top

kippy

None yet and don't see any coming in until the cost of these vehicles comes down to somewhat affordable levels I'd say.

irishgrover

jaxxx wrote: »

How long until the government decides to treat this as a Benefit In Kind? :rolleyes:

FYI: They have explicitly gone out of their way to confirm that it is not a BIK

kippy

irishgrover wrote: »

FYI: The have explicitly gone out of their way to confirm that it is not a BIK

YET

unkel

It's not a BIK (as irishgrover said this has been confirmed after some uncertainty a few years ago) and never will be as the value is not material. Same as your coffee in work, etc. Only a few quid per day. Would likely cost more to tax it than it would gross in tax income too or at least be very inefficient, which is against one of the main principles of taxation. It will never happen.

miamee

OH has chargers in his place of work, I think they have 3 of them but not one hundred percent sure on that. Naturally (:rolleyes:) one or two ICE drivers were upset that the EV drivers were getting something for free that the rest of them were not and kicked up a stink, so the plan is that to avail of EV charging, they will have to be seen to pay a nominal weekly/annual fee.

_Brian

Be a good idea if a MOD added a poll to this.

NIMAN

Initial plans for mine was to charge, but they thought after consideration that it would be too difficult to implement considering the small number of users and the amount of electricity being used (considering my employer is a seriously big user of electricity and a few KW every day are a needle in a haystack to them).

Someone mentioned outdoor sockets, and I think many big employers wouldn't entertain them for H&S reasons.

Since mine has been installed, I have answered many questions about my car. Not sure how many would consider buying an EV just because there is now free electricity at work, but I could see plenty of hybrids appearing, but that will happen with or without work chargers.

NIMAN

@Mod

Could you add a poll?

Maybe,
Employer DOES NOT provides charger
Employer provides charger but charges
Employer provides free charging

JPA

NIMAN wrote: »

Initial plans for mine was to charge, but they thought after consideration that it would be too difficult to implement considering the small number of users and the amount of electricity being used (considering my employer is a seriously big user of electricity and a few KW every day are a needle in a haystack to them).

Someone mentioned outdoor sockets, and I think many big employers wouldn't entertain them for H&S reasons.

Since mine has been installed, I have answered many questions about my car. Not sure how many would consider buying an EV just because there is now free electricity at work, but I could see plenty of hybrids appearing, but that will happen with or without work chargers.

Free electricity does make it seem more appealing to people but that's because they haven't done a calculation or haven't been told how cheap it actually is.

kippy

JPA wrote: »

Free electricity does make it seem more appealing to people but that's because they haven't done a calculation or haven't been told how cheap it actually is.

There are four things (in my opinion) blocking uptake and these are somewhat related:
1. The cost of the vehicle. Very expensive in general - and second hand models come with possible risks and downsides.
2. The lack of a reliable charging infrastructure. I dont think this needs to be explained.
3. The fear of being too early an adopter. (I know this isn't early) Essentially, if I wait another two years, the battery tech/charging infrastructure/price may well be much better than it is now. Let me wait a while longer.
4. The still relative cheapness of carbon based fuels.


The more employers that put in points, the better in general.

kippy

kippy wrote: »

There are four things (in my opinion) blocking uptake and these are somewhat related:
1. The cost of the vehicle. Very expensive in general - and second hand models come with possible risks and downsides.
2. The lack of a reliable charging infrastructure. I dont think this needs to be explained.
3. The fear of being too early an adopter. (I know this isn't early) Essentially, if I wait another two years, the battery tech/charging infrastructure/price may well be much better than it is now. Let me wait a while longer.
4. The still relative cheapness of carbon based fuels.


The more employers that put in points, the better in general.

There is a number 5

5. The Govts may decide in another 10 years that Battery Cars were a false start and the future is horse drawn.............

Calahonda52

jaxxx wrote: »

How long until the government decides to treat this as a Benefit In Kind? :rolleyes:

depends on how big a pickup in the PS
this is what parking provided by employer is not BIK'd, too many civil servants have it, really useful for family members doing Xmas shopping etc

ELM327

3 chargers now with plans for another 2 this year.
Getting busier and busier, there's queues most of the week already. Damn PHEVs!!

NIMAN

ELM327 wrote: »

3 chargers now with plans for another 2 this year.
Getting busier and busier, there's queues most of the week already. Damn PHEVs!!

They might then have to divvy out the spots, some for PHEV, others for EV only.

Gumbo

We have 4 chargers.
I'm the only BEV.
4 others have plug in Hybrids.

I run a Whatsapp group so nobody is stuck.

NIMAN

kippy wrote: »

There are four things (in my opinion) blocking uptake and these are somewhat related:
1. The cost of the vehicle. Very expensive in general - and second hand models come with possible risks and downsides.
2. The lack of a reliable charging infrastructure. I dont think this needs to be explained.
3. The fear of being too early an adopter. (I know this isn't early) Essentially, if I wait another two years, the battery tech/charging infrastructure/price may well be much better than it is now. Let me wait a while longer.
4. The still relative cheapness of carbon based fuels.


The more employers that put in points, the better in general.

Re: Points 1 & 3.
There are risks and downsides with buying a 2nd hand ICE too.
Waiting another couple of years will indeed get you some 2nd hand cars with better batteries, but you'll pay for them in 2 years time as well.

Point4
I wouldn't say petrol or diesel are particularly cheap fuels.


Edit: I'd like to keep this thread to discussing employers charge points, or lack of them, don't want it going off on a tangent about why people aren't buying them or not. Plenty of other threads do that.

Gumbo

jaxxx wrote: »

How long until the government decides to treat this as a Benefit In Kind? :rolleyes:

About the same time they realize that charging your phone, providing milk and tea bags require BIK :rolleyes:

DrPhilG

Nope, despite endless spoofing about being greener and pushing things like car sharing, bicycle scheme etc, they are ignoring requests for charge points.

Boscoirl

We just moved into a new building and there are about 30 chargers mixture of standard and rapid. Not sure on the output.

There are currently 2 leafs and 3 Phev’s

Nedved85

One charger available at work (2 cars can connect). It's free. Probably about 8-10 BEV's that are on site right now. It's pretty sweet to be able to use it, but there are more and more BEV's turning up each month (which is great to see )

Could do with another 3/4 chargers tbh to meet current demand.

NIMAN

Boscoirl wrote: »

We just moved into a new building and there are about 30 chargers mixture of standard and rapid. Not sure on the output.

There are currently 2 leafs and 3 Phev’s

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

NIMAN

Nedved85 wrote: »

One charger available at work (2 cars can connect). It's free. Probably about 8-10 BEV's that are on site right now. It's pretty sweet to be able to use it, but there are more and more BEV's turning up each month (which is great to see )

Could do with another 3/4 chargers tbh to meet current demand.

Same as, thats something I think my own workplace will have to address sooner rather than later, as me and another owner have met to discuss etiquette around charging.

ELM327

Boscoirl wrote: »

We just moved into a new building and there are about 30 chargers mixture of standard and rapid. Not sure on the output.

There are currently 2 leafs and 3 Phev’s

What company is that?
They should be praised!


Do they need any credit risk analysts? :D

Boscoirl

ELM327 wrote: »

What company is that?
They should be praised!


Do they need any credit risk analysts? :D

It’s a software development Centre for a car manufacturer.

I’ll ask

DrPhilG

NIMAN wrote: »

Same as, thats something I think my own workplace will have to address sooner rather than later, as me and another owner have met to discuss etiquette around charging.

WhatsApp group? Or the needtocharge app?

NIMAN

Yeah, discussed both.
Guy never heard of NeedToCharge, said he's get a look, but with only a few users it'll not be needed at work anyway for now.

WhatsApp group probably best idea, announce to group you've unplugged and then watch them all run to the charging station!

DrPhilG

NIMAN wrote: »

Yeah, discussed both.
Guy never heard of NeedToCharge, said he's get a look, but with only a few users it'll not be needed at work anyway for now.

WhatsApp group probably best idea, announce to group you've unplugged and then walk them all run to the charging station!

Needtocharge is fairly new to the scene I think, developer put it together last year when ChargeBump died out. Needtocharge seems much better than ChargeBump ever was anyway so hopefully it can get some traction.

icom

NIMAN wrote: »

Just wondering how many of us here have an employer who provides an EV charger at work?

And if so, how many are available?

Mine installed one (capacity 2 cars at once) a few months back. Going great so far, free to use, but I can see capacity being an issue in the very near future.

We moved to a new campus about 18 months ago and work installed a charge post with 2x22 kW AC type 2 sockets and 2 dedicated parking spaces for charging. Just my Leaf 40 and another PHEV in the last year, but last week a Leaf 24 joined the club.
Had a chat with our facilities manager and he says charging will always be free and they would add more chargers if the demand increases. Have the Leaf 40 since last August and have only charged at home 4 or 5 times when on holiday !

Why does everyone want to charge on the same day ?

kanuseeme

Bring in charging for charging and it will stop that pesky PHEV

charlieIRL

We got a new EV at work 2 weeks ago, the first Renault Zoe van in Ireland! Seriously fun to drive.

My boss installed a charger outside the office that can charge two EV’s at a time. I’ll try find out the spec of it but it’ll charge the Zoe very quickly, plugged it in at 9% battery left last week and was fully charged in about 4 hours. So far we’ve only had to plug it in for a couple of hours at a time.

ewj1978

3 charge points. 2 connections per point. Max 7.6kW on each connection.

There's my i3, a few Kona's, leaf's, a good load of PHEV's.

jaxxx

How much do those chargers cost anyway? Do employers get a subsidy towards them?

icom

jaxxx wrote: »

How much do those chargers cost anyway? Do employers get a subsidy towards them?

A charge post with 2x22 kW AC type 2 sockets, €2500 installed.

Using Accelerated Capital Allowance (ACA) the company that pays corporation tax in Ireland can deduct the full cost of the equipment from their profits in the year of purchase. To be eligible for ACA the minimum spend for charging equipment must be €1000.

unkel

icom wrote: »

A charge post with 2x22 kW AC type 2 sockets, €2500 installed.

Using Accelerated Capital Allowance (ACA) the company that pays corporation tax in Ireland can deduct the full cost of the equipment from their profits in the year of purchase. To be eligible for ACA the minimum spend for charging equipment must be €1000.

Or of course a tethered Zappi (7.2kW) installed for about €1000 (a bit more if on its own pedestal)

3 of these fellas were installed in my office car park over the last few months by various businesses

JohnC.

My workplace doesn't even have its own parking, so there will never be charge points.

aisling86

We just received an email to say two charging points have been installed at my work. I think it's time to start looking for a new car.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Or of course a tethered Zappi (7.2kW) installed for about €1000 (a bit more if on its own pedestal)

3 of these fellas were installed in my office car park over the last few months by various businesses

I would have thought it very unusual to use a tethered EVSE in a commercial setting. Id have concerns that the cable wouldn’t be up to the abuse it would get.

Even more surprised they used a Zappi. Are they planning on adding Solar PV to the building maybe?

charlieIRL

Just checked, ours is an EV Box 7.2 kWh. One on a pedastil.

Good or bad??

adunis

Nope but I'm there 12 hrs at a time so the granny cable does me the finest ðŸ‘

discostu1

Two points up to now I was the only ecar and I normally cycle to work but there is a Kona and another person with a PHEV

rivegauche

approx 300 of which 100 are in one location and the rest in another location about 5km away.

NIMAN

rivegauche wrote: »

approx 300 of which 100 are in one location and the rest in another location about 5km away.

:eek::eek:

100 chargers in one location?

AulWan

My employer has 6 EV points, 2 at each of their locations. I don't know if they charge for using them, but I don't think so?

rivegauche

NIMAN wrote: »

:eek::eek:

100 chargers in one location?

Yes and you can check on a corporate web app to see if they are free or out of service in real time and which ones charge at low speed and which charge at high speed and the campus security make sure they are not being ICE'd.

NIMAN

rivegauche wrote: »

Yes and you can check on a corporate web app to see if they are free or out of service in real time and which ones charge at low speed and which charge at high speed and the campus security make sure they are not being ICE'd.

I assumed you were in Ireland, but I'm guessing no?