North Dublin residents look to go vigilante in an attempt to stop gangs

ampleforth

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/north-dublin-residents-vigilante-15495318

Sounds like the locals had enough...

Hoboo

ampleforth wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/north-dublin-residents-vigilante-15495318

Sounds like the locals had enough...

They did, 7 months ago. Report is from December 2018.

Colonel Claptrap

I knew it would be Dublin Live.

Boxing.Fan

What has happened to these once sleepy north Dublin suburbs?

ampleforth

Sorry ,did not check the date. Since I head about it before, I somehow thought its a follow-up...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

What has happened to these once sleepy north Dublin suburbs?

Lots of people sleeping through the parenting phase. Instead of children, they now have wild animals who roam in their feral gangs. A pity they wouldn't roam out to sea once and for all.

Boxing.Fan

Khaleesi Agreeable Keystone wrote: »

Lots of people sleeping through the parenting phase. Instead of children, they now have wild animals who roam in their feral gangs. A pity they wouldn't roam out to sea once and for all.

I heard balbriggan was bad, I had no idea portmarnock and lusk were also turning into kips. What an absolute shame. Beautiful parts of this county turning to s**t.

branie2

The locals rock!

Chris_Heilong

Find out who the gangs are and punish the parents for being absolutely terrible at their job. These sort of things can become endemic if not treated early.

MightyMunster

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

I heard balbriggan was bad, I had no idea portmarnock and lusk were also turning into kips. What an absolute shame. Beautiful parts of this county turning to s**t.

As a non Dub, I always thought the North/Dark side always had a rep as a kip?

lawred2

MightyMunster wrote: »

As a non Dub, I always thought the North/Dark side always had a rep as a kip?

North inner city is a long way from North County Dublin

Portmarnock has no anti social issues. This was a once off caused by an influx of knackbags from elsewhere getting off the train and acting like wild animals.

whisky_galore

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Find out who the gangs are and punish the parents for being absolutely terrible at their job. These sort of things can become endemic if not treated early.

Was there a case of parents being punished for the misdeeds of their spawn, ever?

Sleeper12

ampleforth wrote:

Sorry ,did not check the date. Since I head about it before, I somehow thought its a follow-up...

I live in Dublin 5. I am a member of a local Facebook group and several members have openly tried to start a vigilante group. They haven't managed to set it up yet as the ones putting the idea forward only seem interested in beating up non Irish children. Anyone else who might consider it is put off by the racist undertones. I do believe it will happen eventually if the Gardai can't stop gangs using the DART to target northside arras

D3V!L

The media love getting Lusk and Rush confused. Theres no gang related issues in Lusk.

lawred2

D3V!L wrote: »

The media love getting Lusk and Rush confused. Theres no gang related issues in Lusk.

I wouldn't have thought Rush was subject to it either. Thought this was more a Balbriggan concern

D3V!L

lawred2 wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought Rush was subject to it either. Thought this was more a Balbriggan concern

Likely you're right, both are a considerable way from Balbriggan. Sure if you were to get on the train to Rush or Lusk its a half hour walk to the towns. There's no point in Lusk as we have nothing apart from a take away and a SuperValu.

Sleeper12

D3V!L wrote:

Likely you're right, both are a considerable way from Balbriggan. Sure if you were to get on the train to Rush or Lusk its a half hour walk to the towns. There's no point in Lusk as we have nothing apart from a take away and a SuperValu.

I can't say if lusk or rush is involved but the gangs target clontarf, kilbarrack, Killester, Raheny, Baldoyle, portmarnock, Malahide.

D3V!L

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I can't say if lusk or rush is involved but the gangs target clontarf, kilbarrack, Killester, Raheny, Baldoyle, portmarnock, Malahide.

All along the train line by the looks of it.

OldGoat

Remember that time when a gang of self styled vigilantes killed Declan Flynn in Fairview? Remember how some of the local community cheered as they were handed outrageously light sentences?

The only permissible vigilante is Batman, in a comic.

Graces7

whisky_galore wrote: »

Was there a case of parents being punished for the misdeeds of their spawn, ever?

There was a case against a parent who failed to send her child to school over a long period.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mother-jailed-school-attendance-appeal-4585872-Apr2019/

so the mechanism is there.

STB.

OldGoat wrote: »

Remember that time when a gang of self styled vigilante group killed Declan Flynn in Fairview? Remember how some of the local community cheered as they were handed outrageously light sentences?

The only permissible vigilante is Batman, in a comic.

Eh that wasn't vigilantes. That was a gang of 5 misdirected teenagers, one of them 14 years old.


In terms of vigilantes, the last successful group I can think of was CPAD who were closely associated with SF and ICON.



https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/27068/

Hal3000

These groups will gain traction as long as the courts keep churning back out criminals on light sentences. I would join a neighborhood watch patrol if required. I don't like the term vigilante group as violence wouldn't be necessary just patrol the area at night and report sightings / suspicious activity to the Gardai. I also couldn't care what race the groups are.

Sleeper12

STB. wrote: »

Eh that wasn't vigilantes. That was a gang of 5 misdirected teenagers, one of them 14 years old.


In terms of vigilantes, the last successful group I can think of was CPAD who were closely associated with SF and ICON.



https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/27068/

There's an age limit on being a vigilante now?

OldGoat

OldGoat wrote: »

The only permissible vigilante is Batman, in a comic.

I have trained to fight a lot and it kinda came to the point where I wondered should I employ it to deal with some local "scum" who were causing issues up to even physically accosting little old women. I even set out a few times to do just that after the police failed us many times but somehow never followed through.

In the end at the last minute one time I switched tack and decided that instead of using my training on these kids I would switch lane entirely and goad them into training with me and teaching them to fight.

Some people were aghast at this. They thought these kids were bad enough as it was - if they could actually handle themselves in violence they would just be worse. I found the exact opposite happened.

The outlet - the training - the discipline - the interaction - and most of all just an adult taking interest in their well being and development - changed them almost overnight. They are now the nicest lads you'd ever want to meet and I love working with them.

Amazing that many people - and I admit I include myself among them - once thought them "irredeemable scum" basically. I have been ruminating for ages on some way to go national with my tiny local initiative. How could my experiences work more broadly? I have been playing with the idea of starting a Jedi Academy and even have a curriculum in mind on how to teach children essentially what they would learn if they were studying to be Jedi in the movie.

STB.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There's an age limit on being a vigilante now?

Well there should be. Its not gang warfare that you want to create. The gangs causing the mayhem are teenagers, after all.

That gang I responded to were not vigilantes. I think the papers referred to them at the time as "queer bashers". We have moved on.

In terms of actual vigilante groups, the one I referenced in CPAD was set up with the intention to empower local communities to tackle the drug problem in the late 80's early 90's. They were quite successful in that they were organised and had (how to put this ?) personnel that were quite handy. They knew the hands of the garda were tied and more importantly they knew the people to target. In many cases it didn't require violence. They basically shamed a lot of them out of their communities.

Sleeper12

STB. wrote: »

Well there should be. Its not gang warfare that you want to create.

The gangs causing the mayhem are teenagers. That gang were not vigilantes. I think the papers referred to them at the time as "queer bashers". We have moved on.

In terms of actual vigilante groups, the one I referenced in CPAD was set up with the intention to empower local communities to tackle the drug problem in the late 80's early 90's. They were quite successful in that they were organised and had (how to put this ?) personnel that were quite handy.

It's hard to say if they saw themselves as vigilantes or not. Homosexuality was ilegal at the time so they may have convinced themselves that they were doing society a good thing. Horrible thing to happen

OldGoat

STB. wrote: »

Eh that wasn't vigilantes. That was a gang of 5 misdirected teenagers, one of them 14 years old.

Anthony (Tony) Maher (aged 19) of Poplar Row Flats, Ballybough;
Robert Alan Armstrong (aged 18) of Plunkett Drive, Finglas West;
Patrick Kavanagh (aged 18) St Brigid's Avenue, North Strand;
Colm Donovan (aged 17) of Lower Buckingham Street; and
a 14-year-old boy who could not be named for legal reasons.[1][3]

Armstrong stated that: "We were part of the team to get rid of queers from Fairview Park." In his statement which was read to court he told Gardaí: "A few of us had been queer-bashing for about six weeks before and battered about 20 steamers. We used to grab them. If they hit back we gave it to them."

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Boxing.Fan

STB. wrote: »

Well there should be. Its not gang warfare that you want to create.

The gangs causing the mayhem are teenagers. That gang were not vigilantes. I think the papers referred to them at the time as "queer bashers". We have moved on.

In terms of actual vigilante groups, the one I referenced in CPAD was set up with the intention to empower local communities to tackle the drug problem in the late 80's early 90's. They were quite successful in that they were organised and had (how to put this ?) personnel that were quite handy.

Yeah the local Republicans were quite handy alright until they start seeing they could make money from it themselves and dealers start paying them to turn a blind eye to their activities.

Hoboo

lawred2 wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought Rush was subject to it either. Thought this was more a Balbriggan concern

I live 8 miles from balbriggan. I do all my grocery shopping there, banking once a week, use the train station 3 days a week. I've never seen a gang, a fight, not a raised voice. I know of one or two estates where there is a large influx of Africans, and there could be gangs, but as far as seeing any or there being any trouble, apart from a man being beaten up last year, zero.

Maybe I'm not in the right place at the wrong time but concern is not something I've heard from anyone I know in the area, including two friends who are stationed there.

Sir Oxman

This new forum appears to be a collection of "dublinlive" "stories"

STB.

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Yeah the local Republicans were quite handy alright until they start seeing they could make money from it themselves and dealers start paying them to turn a blind eye to their activities.

Unfortunately, this is true.


But that group I believe was set up with the best of intentions and was quite successful. It raised the profile of how communities were so fed up with the problem to the extent that new legislation was brought in to target these individuals (CAB).


In many cases violence was not required. They simply placed gravestones in their front gardens and held protests outside their houses.

Cienciano

Not surprising, police don't want to know unless it makes it into the papers or Joe Duffy. People have to police their areas themselves.

Boxing.Fan

Hoboo wrote: »

I live 8 miles from balbriggan. I do all my grocery shopping there, banking once a week, use the train station 3 days a week. I've never seen a gang, a fight, not a raised voice. I know of one or two estates where there is a large influx of Africans, and there could be gangs, but as far as seeing any or there being any trouble, apart from a man being beaten up last year, zero.

Maybe I'm not in the right place at the wrong time but concern is not something I've heard from anyone I know in the area, including two friends who are stationed there.

500 people attended a protest at Balbriggan garda station last year in relation to this. So it would be fair to say that people in the area believe these gangs are a problem.

Hoboo

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

500 people attended a protest at Balbriggan garda station last year in relation to this. So it would be fair to say that people in the area believe these gangs are a problem.

I was there. Was after the guy at bath road was beaten up. There's a gang from.balbriggan, although they seem to be made up more of lads from Drogs and elsewhere. As far as balbriggan is concerned, fook all happens. Other than the protest, nothing.

Sleeper12

Hoboo wrote:

I live 8 miles from balbriggan. I do all my grocery shopping there, banking once a week, use the train station 3 days a week. I've never seen a gang, a fight, not a raised voice. I know of one or two estates where there is a large influx of Africans, and there could be gangs, but as far as seeing any or there being any trouble, apart from a man being beaten up last year, zero.

Dublin live (rag) started the Balbriggan gang story. Gardai from my local station say that at least one DART gang are actually from West Dublin.

Hoboo

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Dublin live (rag) started the Balbriggan gang story. Gardai from my local station say that at least one DART gang are actually from West Dublin.

+1

AndyBoBandy

Haven't seen or heard of a peep from these 'gang's in Rush!!
'Our' train station is shared with Lusk, and is 3km from Rush (1km from Lusk).

It seems like the DublinLive finger is most certainly on the pulse!!

splinter65

OldGoat wrote: »

Anthony (Tony) Maher (aged 19) of Poplar Row Flats, Ballybough;
Robert Alan Armstrong (aged 18) of Plunkett Drive, Finglas West;
Patrick Kavanagh (aged 18) St Brigid's Avenue, North Strand;
Colm Donovan (aged 17) of Lower Buckingham Street; and
a 14-year-old boy who could not be named for legal reasons.[1][3]

Armstrong stated that: "We were part of the team to get rid of queers from Fairview Park." In his statement which was read to court he told Gardaí: "A few of us had been queer-bashing for about six weeks before and battered about 20 steamers. We used to grab them. If they hit back we gave it to them."

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Isn’t this over 30 years ago now? But sure 75% of the population would have queued to give these guys a pat on the back at that time.
I don’t ever think it serves any purpose to try and impose today’s attitudes on society 30 years ago.
Homosexuality was seen as criminal willful behavior, the same as burgling houses and stealing cars.
Gay men in particular were seen as roaming the likes of Fairview Park hiding behind trees waiting to jump out on unsuspecting straight male passerby’s to force them to commit depraved homosexual acts.
The level of ignorance and fear was staggering but it was the same all over the world and remains the same in many areas.
However in the western world
we know better now. Ireland is a very friendly place in general and apart from a few troglodytes nobody is bothered about anyone’s sexuality any more.
As I said already, it’s not a good idea and doesn’t help to post details of a homophobic attack and “forget” to mention how long ago it happened.

weldoninhio

D3V!L wrote: »

The media love getting Lusk and Rush confused. Theres no gang related issues in Lusk.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/watch-terrifying-moment-gang-thugs-15705611

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/fears-mob-rule-north-dublin-14179739

Both a while back but to say there are no anti-social gangs in Lusk is to have your head in the sand. Also last year they smashed up a bus full of Spanish students outside the chippers at Supervalu.

weldoninhio

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Haven't seen or heard of a peep from these 'gang's in Rush!!
'Our' train station is shared with Lusk, and is 3km from Rush (1km from Lusk).

It seems like the DublinLive finger is most certainly on the pulse!!

You didn't hear of the two young lads stabbed about 18 months ago?? https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/teen-boys-15-knifed-by-gang-of-youths-in-vicious-seaside-attacks-36188193.html

The young guy who was tackled by the gardai in Golden Ridge, while his sister screamed and recorded a video and said it was racist?? The video went viral and the sister was in the papers. Strangely she never mentioned that he nearly bit one Garda's finger off, or that he had a balaclava and a butchers knife in his backpack.

You haven't heard of the spate of muggings and attempted muggings in the town recently??

The Gardai have also stopped these gangs from getting off the train at Rush/Lusk station numerous times.

The_Brood

We've been left completely on our own with attacks by locals non stop. No one taking a lick of responsibility, guardai in hiding. Then people on here laugh, claim we are exagerrating. Dublin is in absolute chaos.

OldGoat

splinter65 wrote: »

Isn’t this over 30 years ago now? But sure 75% of the population would have queued to give these guys a pat on the back at that time.
I don’t ever think it serves any purpose to try and impose today’s attitudes on society 30 years ago.
Homosexuality was seen as criminal willful behavior, the same as burgling houses and stealing cars.
Gay men in particular were seen as roaming the likes of Fairview Park hiding behind trees waiting to jump out on unsuspecting straight male passerby’s to force them to commit depraved homosexual acts.
The level of ignorance and fear was staggering but it was the same all over the world and remains the same in many areas.
However in the western world
we know better now. Ireland is a very friendly place in general and apart from a few troglodytes nobody is bothered about anyone’s sexuality any more.
As I said already, it’s not a good idea and doesn’t help to post details of a homophobic attack and “forget” to mention how long ago it happened.

My intent on posting this was as a simple reminder that vigilantism can lead to violence and as in the case of Declan, death.
Also, I failed to point out the year this occurred and I apologise if I misled anyone into thinking it was a recent event.

Woke Hogan

Deleted User wrote: »

I have trained to fight a lot and it kinda came to the point where I wondered should I employ it to deal with some local "scum" who were causing issues up to even physically accosting little old women. I even set out a few times to do just that after the police failed us many times but somehow never followed through.

In the end at the last minute one time I switched tack and decided that instead of using my training on these kids I would switch lane entirely and goad them into training with me and teaching them to fight.

Some people were aghast at this. They thought these kids were bad enough as it was - if they could actually handle themselves in violence they would just be worse. I found the exact opposite happened.

The outlet - the training - the discipline - the interaction - and most of all just an adult taking interest in their well being and development - changed them almost overnight. They are now the nicest lads you'd ever want to meet and I love working with them.

Amazing that many people - and I admit I include myself among them - once thought them "irredeemable scum" basically. I have been ruminating for ages on some way to go national with my tiny local initiative. How could my experiences work more broadly? I have been playing with the idea of starting a Jedi Academy and even have a curriculum in mind on how to teach children essentially what they would learn if they were studying to be Jedi in the movie.

I'm not sure martial arts training is best if it's leading people like yourself to actually think he's Batman and start cruising the streets to commit vigilante justice. Let's hope that idea doesn't leak into your training when you're lecturing the kids in your Batcave.

Hal3000

20 cars stolen from Malahide - Portmarnock - Raheny and Clontarf only last week. Not sure it's this same gang as the one in Fingal but neighborhood watch groups are needed as clearly Gardai don't have resources or support from the courts. No need for viligante groups just communities who can keep an eye out for each other.

https://www.thejournal.ie/car-thieves-dublin-4710159-Jul2019/

Woke Hogan

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I'm not sure martial arts training is best if it's leading people like yourself to actually think he's Batman and start cruising the streets to commit vigilante justice.

Well it didn't did it - that was the point I was making which appears to have sailed over your head

Actually it tends to be quite the opposite - it is people who have no idea about fighting who seem more keen to jump into it. One thing training does for you is show you all the ways it can go wrong and you learn to avoid fighting where possible even against people who are not trained. One stray lucky blow can injure or even kill you - no matter your training.

However instead of using such training on the kids - but rather training them instead and engaging with them - and a very different effect was achieved.

biko

Community groups are good in my opinion.
They keep the bad people away and create a community spirit

Cienciano

The_Brood wrote: »

We've been left completely on our own with attacks by locals non stop. No one taking a lick of responsibility, guardai in hiding. Then people on here laugh, claim we are exagerrating. Dublin is in absolute chaos.

We had it where I live in west Dublin. Gardaí didn't want to know, not interested and not enough man power. Few guys went out with camera phones to video scumbags in action, gardai told us to stop doing that! Gardaí told us to call them, it takes them about 3 hours to arrive. They literally want people to do nothing as your car or property is being vandalised! So people continued to film them with cameras, it's the only thing they don't like other than physically touching them.

One thing that gardai care about is statistics and impressing people above them, so my one piece of advice is to report literally every bit of anti social behaviour. Everything, and make sure it's inputted into their system and make sure your neighbours call it in too. It's crazy the amount of people who don't report stuff like a broken car window or a stolen bike.

Create a whatsapp group so if someone sees something he can post it and neighbours that are free can come out and help.

Stoner

Boxing.Fan wrote:

Yeah the local Republicans were quite handy alright until they start seeing they could make money from it themselves and dealers start paying them to turn a blind eye to their activities.

I've heard this but never saw it. Anytime I saw lads chased from an area I never saw them replaced. I saw a lot of that to be honest, I saw them protest the sale of a house in my area to a known drug dealer, they pressured DNG, had articles ready to go in a paper. The deal was called off and local woman's daughter bought the house.

I saw the guys selling drugs on the NCR being chased away night after night until they were gone, not replaced.

I never stood with them, but looking back the things I saw were positive, I never saw any violence
I guess it comes down to what we've experienced individually, but imo the actions of this group improved the area.

I've heard stories like yours too though, it just wasn't my experience .


Probably like the Christian brothers !!!

The ones in my school were all good men, but I believe the stories from other schools.