Racing Broadcaster John McCririck Dies

ILoveYourVibes

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's not a legitimate sport if it's relying on gambling to survive.

It doesn't.

So many equine sports are in the Olympics etc.

If horse racing got a world championships etc and tried to get into the Olympics it would help.

ILoveYourVibes

He was a brilliant showman. That was his talent and intelligence. He didn't need to be anything else. People could learn from that. It wasn't his controversy that made him famous that eventually sidelined his career but it was his showmanship. It's a talent the British have in spades.

Woke Hogan

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It doesn't.

McCririck should have pissed off and left Ruby Walsh alone then.

ILoveYourVibes

Woke Hogan wrote: »

McCririck should have pissed off and left Ruby Walsh alone then.

True. Not sure why he started the fight in the first place tbh. He seemed intent on causing a fight.

Some people have said he was anti Irish though and said rude things.

JohnnyFlash

Love the racing. Nothing like heading over to Cheltenham for 4 days of drinking and gambling.

Fanny Wank

SeaFields wrote: »

Technically that'd be the afternoon...

Not if it was 0050 on the old 24 hour clock

Woke Hogan

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

True. Not sure why he started the fight in the first place tbh. He seemed intent on causing a fight.

Some people have said he was anti Irish though and said rude things.

Stupid people love getting offended if athletes insinuate anything other than blind fawning towards the fans. Look at how people responded to Roy Keane in 2012 or how people are responding to Walsh's comments in this thread. McCririck knew this and he played the thickos in the crowd perfectly. True sportsmen only care about two things: winning and preserving their livelihoods. All this "what about the fans" stuff is mawkish nonsense.

zuxa gif iwo

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Horse racing would of course survive without punters. Every other horse sport has..

it never would, how many would pay in to cheltenham or fairyhouse just to watch a few horses run a lap or two of the circuit without the betting aspect?

SeaFields

Fanny **** wrote: »

Not if it was 0050 on the old 24 hour clock

Hat tip to you sir.

Blinky Plebum

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is 100% NOT true.

No other horse sport has punters.

And they have FAR more prestige and riders get paid far more on average.

Showjumping. Dressage . Cross country. Eventing. Polo.

Barrel Racing.

A professional polo player will make from between 5 million and 10 million a year.

High end showjumpers will earn around one million. (They have to win it though) The low end showjumper will earn 10 k. That's minus expenses. Most will be in the middle though at about 500,000

Horse racing would of course survive without punters. Every other horse sport has.

And if you are a punter etc are you a fan of horses really? I have heard punters speak very disrespectfully about the skill of jockeys and their horsemanship etc. And disregarding the dignity of horses etc. Not all but some.

They are gambling fans. That isn't to say you can't be both. But not all punters are fans of horse racing.

They banned gambling on horse racing in America in the early 20th century and it had to be reintroduced because the sport died once they took away the gambling.Some racing fans like to think that the sport would thrive without gambling but it wouldn't it would die fairly quickly if people couldn't bet on it.

ILoveYourVibes

zuxa gif iwo wrote: »

it never would, how many would pay in to cheltenham or fairyhouse just to watch a few horses run a lap or two of the circuit without the betting aspect?

It doesn't need people to pay in.


Equine companies sponsor the prize money for events etc.

You see longines longines longines EVERYWHERE at these places and that's a swiss watch company.

Polo players get between 5 million and 10 million a year if they turn pro and are decent.

You don't get many people watching polo or showjumping either.

Equine companies sponsor it because away from the sport horses need pretty much the same care. Its a way to introduce the equine world across all sports to their products.

And lastly why wouldn't people pay in??

Ever see the palio?

Its huge ..its also community based and the contrada help support it

They don't allow betting. https://www.italymagazine.com/italy/tuscany/siena-fends-palio-betting-bid

People go MAD for it.

The Irish races on the beach etc like laytown could be put against each other the best jockey/horse from each. No betting. But town pride etc.

People would love it!

JohnnyFlash

The Palio is free in.

ILoveYourVibes

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Palio is free in.

Still HUGE.

They have other similar races too throughout the year.

Its kind of like the GAA ....cept better cuz horses

ILoveYourVibes

Anyway in countries where gambling is banned they still have horseracing.

Anyway if you are a true fan of it you would go without betting. If not then you are a gambler and nothing wrong with that at all but just making a distinction.

Birneybau

He reeeeallly didn't like 'Sutcliffe:The Musical'

flos1964

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He was a brilliant showman. That was his talent and intelligence. He didn't need to be anything else. People could learn from that. It wasn't his controversy that made him famous that eventually sidelined his career but it was his showmanship. It's a talent the British have in spades.

Even though you had no idea really who he was...your words.

ILoveYourVibes

flos1964 wrote: »

Even though you had no idea really who he was...your words.

I could tell that at a glance though.

Aidric

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He was a brilliant showman. That was his talent and intelligence. He didn't need to be anything else. People could learn from that. It wasn't his controversy that made him famous that eventually sidelined his career but it was his showmanship. It's a talent the British have in spades.

Make no mistake, McCririck knew the racing game but conversely that made his outbursts all the more empty. Racing is in the pocket of the bookmaking industry and there's no sign of that changing anytime soon. His rants on behalf of the punters was nothing more than empty rhetoric.

ILoveYourVibes

Aidric wrote: »

Make no mistake, McCririck knew the racing game but conversely that made his outbursts all the more empty. Racing is in the pocket of the bookmaking industry and there's no sign of that changing anytime soon. His rants on behalf of the punters was nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Yes I understand. TBH he probably didn't even represent punters well. I don't think they are as presented.

I think there should be a part of the racing industry you can't bet on though. I would like to see what would happen etc.

Its the bookies who make the punting money off of it.

Road-Hog

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Love the racing. Nothing like heading over to Cheltenham for 4 days of drinking and gambling.

What about the ‘phillys’.....are race meats a very fertile ground for sophisticated ladies with beautiful head gear etc almost matching John mcquirrick ?

Edgware

Road-Hog wrote: »

What about the ‘phillys’.....are race meats a very fertile ground for sophisticated ladies with beautiful head gear etc almost matching John mcquirrick ?

The Flat season is the season for the fillies. Cheltenham in March isnt the weather for a skimpy dress and thong although there are the few ladies working overtime on their back

ILoveYourVibes

Edgware wrote: »

The Flat season is the season for the fillies. Cheltenham in March isnt the weather for a skimpy dress and thong although there are the few ladies working overtime on their back

Yeah ....right.

Short ugly horsey blokes making 25k per year after expenses at best. lol i am sure the wags are gagging