Mercosur deal agreed

20silkcut

Just see that the EU have agreed a deal with the mercosur countries. After 20 years of foot dragging.
Not sure of the finer details but there was a proposal in this agreement to import 100,000 tonnes of beef from South America. I presume that is now going to happen. With a hard brexit around the corner that is a massive blow to the beef industry here.
I presume brexit sped up the conclusion of this deal.
It is a good deal for the dairy industry btw.
May start contract rearing heifers.

Grueller

20silkcut wrote: »

Just see that the EU have agreed a deal with the mercosur countries. After 20 years of foot dragging.
Not sure of the finer details but there was a proposal in this agreement to import 100,000 tonnes of beef from South America. I presume that is now going to happen. With a hard brexit around the corner that is a massive blow to the beef industry here.
I presume brexit sped up the conclusion of this deal.
It is a good deal for the dairy industry btw.
May start contract rearing heifers.

I would say that is probably the fat lady singing altogether now for sucklers in Ireland.

20silkcut

Grueller wrote: »

I would say that is probably the fat lady singing altogether now for sucklers in Ireland.

According to Phil hogan Import of South American beef to increase by 99,000 tonnes which is a 1.25% increase over 5 years.
Support package of 1 billion available for farmers for any market distortions. So it might be a softer landing than you think.
Still it is a step in the wrong direction.

Say my name

20silkcut wrote: »

According to Phil hogan Import of South American beef to increase by 99,000 tonnes which is a 1.25% increase over 5 years.
Support package of 1 billion available for farmers for any market distortions. So it might be a softer landing than you think.
Still it is a step in the wrong direction.

Completely in the wrong direction.
(For farmers in Ireland).

Support packages can be withdrawn or cancelled at any time or just stick even more onerous conditions to qualify.
Market access will never be stopped.
Unless the EU gets a dictator like the Donald.

People are too used to believing food is of a certain standard that all thought of it goes out the window.
Agricultural production is moving to the third and undeveloped world as a means of moving money to these countries in exchange for selling them goods and services by our tertiary sectors.

In essence the thick uneducated people produce the food while the college educated and on welfare eat it.

Buford T. Justice XIX

The acceptance of assured products from Mercosur countries as being of an equal standard to European food products is a right joke.

Just taking Brazilian beef alone, time and time again, they have been shown to totally ignore the agreed protocols on vaccinations, movements and products used but it now seems that the whole basis of what we are being told has to be the cornerstone of food production can be ignored at will.

A bloody joke:mad:

Say my name

Not to mention political corruption, disappearing people, slave labour, rainforest destruction, corporate farming, native people displacement and murders and this guy.

https://news.sky.com/story/39kg-of-cocaine-found-on-plane-carrying-brazil-presidents-team-to-g20-11750135

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

Not to mention political corruption, disappearing people, slave labour, rainforest destruction, corporate farming, native people displacement and murders and this guy.

https://news.sky.com/story/39kg-of-cocaine-found-on-plane-carrying-brazil-presidents-team-to-g20-11750135

The current President seems a bit, erm, eccentric, so to speak.

JeffKenna

This is an absolute disgrace, probably ignorance on my part but it's come completely left of field to me.

_Brian

Agriculture is being thrown under a bus to provide industry with markets in south america... Brexit has pushed this on the ensure any drop in demand from the UK is covered with whatever market opens in south america.


We should be boycotting these countries not getting further into bed with them.

Total farce environmentaslly

These countries are mowing down prime rainforrest at a shocking rate to proviede cheap beef into europe, where beef farmers are going broke and being forced to plant trees... Stupidity

SuperTortoise

All the hoops,traceability, all the red tape we jump through to sell our beef at cost price and this year below cost price and they just roll over and let 100,000 tonnes of the dodgiest of dodge beef into Europe at the drop of a hat, where are our TD's now, and why are'nt they fighting for a sector that supports hundreds of thousands of jobs in our country?

TooOldBoots

Works out at about 2% of the EU28 beef production. Not the end of the world as south American beef is not prime beef. The problem is the likes of larry will fiddle this to import much more than the 100,000 tonnes

grange mac

Is there anyway to stop this thing.... It is not going to be good. Ffs all hoops have to go through and penalties for cutting hay in glas a day early..... Fk them!
Agreed agri thrown under a bus for auto industry and our Lords in 🇩🇪!!

Say my name

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

The current President seems a bit, erm, eccentric, so to speak.

What are on about?

He's the greatest president with one of the greatest election wins anywhere in the world with some special assets.

https://youtu.be/ilu5K6NZSvM

gerryirl

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

The acceptance of assured products from Mercosur countries as being of an equal standard to European food products is a right joke.

Just taking Brazilian beef alone, time and time again, they have been shown to totally ignore the agreed protocols on vaccinations, movements and products used but it now seems that the whole basis of what we are being told has to be the cornerstone of food production can be ignored at will.

A bloody joke:mad:

ya your right it some joke and all the regulations we have here and then they can take that rubbish in while we cant get enough markets for our quality beef. With all the best will in the world the beef farmer is finished between this and brexit

Cavanjack

Think George lee said it would take 8 years for it to happen. Phelim o Neill says on the journal yesterday that it has to pass in the dail first. Wonder is this right. Couldn’t see it passing if that was the case.

charlie14

Cavanjack wrote: »

Think George lee said it would take 8 years for it to happen. Phelim o Neill says on the journal yesterday that it has to pass in the dail first. Wonder is this right. Couldn’t see it passing if that was the case.

That would be the George Lee who took leave from RTE to win a by election and then jacked it in after a wet week to go back to RTE.

When he then got the agriculture gig was asked by Sean O Rourke on radio "Well George, what qualifications have you for the job other than there was a vacancy"
I would not have a lot of faith in George`s expertise on this.

Base price

The latest from the journal - https://www.farmersjournal.ie/mercosur-and-beef-prices-what-will-happen-475597

TooOldBoots

Base price wrote: »

The latest from the journal - https://www.farmersjournal.ie/mercosur-and-beef-prices-what-will-happen-475597

That website is looking for money off me!

TooOldBoots

_Brian wrote: »

These countries are mowing down prime rainforrest at a shocking rate to proviede cheap beef into europe, where beef farmers are going broke and being forced to plant trees... Stupidity

Those rain forests were mowed down to grow Soya and Maize. The Soya is the grain that boosts the protein % you have in your Weanling ration. The Maize is for your Beef finisher nut.

Plus the timber logging companies working in south America are mainly European companies.
Look on the bright side, you'll get to plant trees now to replace the ones being cut down in Brazil. Mind you, there's far more land in Brazil than in the whole of Europe.

older by the day

grange mac wrote: »

Is there anyway to stop this thing.... It is not going to be good. Ffs all hoops have to go through and penalties for cutting hay in glas a day early..... Fk them!
Agreed agri thrown under a bus for auto industry and our Lords in 🇩🇪!!

Every one of the EU countries have a vote and they need every country to agree, so I hope the French government have balls to support their farmers. The fellows commenting here will be the first to kiss the ass of their local fianna fail or fine geal td if they meet them on the street tomorrow. I don't think their will be a cross word said face to face to a politician

Birdnuts

Say my name wrote: »

Not to mention political corruption, disappearing people, slave labour, rainforest destruction, corporate farming, native people displacement and murders and this guy.

https://news.sky.com/story/39kg-of-cocaine-found-on-plane-carrying-brazil-presidents-team-to-g20-11750135

A very nasty piece of work that has vowed to destroy the Amazon rainforest and its native tribes

Say my name

Birdnuts wrote: »

A very nasty piece of work that has vowed to destroy the Amazon rainforest and its native tribes

He's the spit of Donald Trump except worse.
It's all assets to him ready to be exploited and anyone that stands in his way is a socialist and a bad person and doesn't deserve to live.
A simpleton living in a simple way of thinking. These are dangerous people.

Upstream

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Those rain forests were mowed down to grow Soya and Maize. The Soya is the grain that boosts the protein % you have in your Weanling ration. The Maize is for your Beef finisher nut.

Plus the timber logging companies working in south America are mainly European companies.
Look on the bright side, you'll get to plant trees now to replace the ones being cut down in Brazil. Mind you, there's far more land in Brazil than in the whole of Europe.

We're talking about 100,000 tons, it doesn't sound much of you say it quickly, but 100,000 X 1000kg X €10 is 1 billion euros. No similar production standards should mean no market access. They shouldn't be allowed into Europe.

Also, the Soya and Maize they grow are almost exclusively GM, so loaded with glyphosate and other such things with potential to destroy human, plant and animal health. They shouldn't be allowed into Europe either, as animal feed or as food for consumers.

It's a race to the bottom that needs to be stopped. We need action on this.

alps

GM free standards across Europe is now the only way to keep this from happening and escalating..

Either we get them to produce like us(which they cant),or we continue to produce like them..

Tikki Wang Wang

20silkcut wrote: »

According to Phil hogan Import of South American beef to increase by 99,000 tonnes which is a 1.25% increase over 5 years.
Support package of 1 billion available for farmers for any market distortions. So it might be a softer landing than you think.
Still it is a step in the wrong direction.

Not at all. Cheaper quality beef for hard pressed people is the right direction.

cacs

This deal was always going to happen. Europe does not give a thought to ireland we too small of an economy. This deal was always to benefit Germany. They wanted to sell more cars and chemicals at the expense of agriculture.

jaymla627

Say my name wrote: »

He's the spit of Donald Trump except worse.
It's all assets to him ready to be exploited and anyone that stands in his way is a socialist and a bad person and doesn't deserve to live.
A simpleton living in a simple way of thinking. These are dangerous people.

I’d say let him mine the whole place to extinction, short term gain for long term pain, in 15 years time, their could be a nice little shortfall for food worldwide and European farmers might be back in vogue

grassroot1

Is it 100000 tonnes of carcase beef or specific cuts?

cathal irwin

cathal irwin wrote: »

This deal was always going to happen. Europe does not give a thought to ireland we too small of an economy. This deal was always to benefit Germany. They wanted to sell more cars and chemicals at the expense of agriculture.

Then it is to Ireland's benefit too - we export ten times as much chemical products as food products.
https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/irl/
The amount of beef being talked about isn't all that big relative to European beef production.
It isn't going to hold up this deal.

orm0nd

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

Not at all. Cheaper quality beef for hard pressed people is the right direction.

Quality is questionable, and it won't be cheaper by the time it reaches the comsumer

Mooooo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then it is to Ireland's benefit too - we export ten times as much chemical products as food products.
https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/irl/
The amount of beef being talked about isn't all that big relative to European beef production.
It isn't going to hold up this deal.

The difference is much more of the value of agri exports returns to the the economy, in dairy it's considered 90c for every euro stays in ireland whereas the with multinationals it's 10c

_Brian

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Those rain forests were mowed down to grow Soya and Maize. The Soya is the grain that boosts the protein % you have in your Weanling ration. The Maize is for your Beef finisher nut.

Plus the timber logging companies working in south America are mainly European companies.
Look on the bright side, you'll get to plant trees now to replace the ones being cut down in Brazil. Mind you, there's far more land in Brazil than in the whole of Europe.

Only an idiot sees a bright side to this.

patsy_mccabe

It's amazing that with the background of global warming and carbon emissions, here we are with a new deal that will see food and goods exchanged from one side of the planet to the other.

patsy_mccabe

It's amazing that with the background of global warming and carbon emissions, here we are with a new deal that will see food and goods exchanged from one side of the planet to the other.

TPF2012

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patsy_mccabe wrote:

It's amazing that with the background of global warming and carbon emissions, here we are with a new deal that will see food and goods exchanged from one side of the planet to the other.

It doesn't make sense but when big corporations are pulling the strings it probably does.

Buford T. Justice XIX

grassroot1 wrote: »

Is it 100000 tonnes of carcase beef or specific cuts?

Or fresh and frozen. The devil is in the detail of this one.

It should be interesting to see multiple outbreaks of FMD across the EU seeing as the EU won't do any checks on Brazil meeting the agreed standards and specifications.

Mortelaro

Can't Ireland veto this deal anyway

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mortelaro wrote: »

Can't Ireland veto this deal anyway

I don't know since the change over to qualified majority voting or whatever they call it?

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

Can't Ireland veto this deal anyway

I'm not sure if we can any more:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/05/22/new-approach-on-negotiating-and-concluding-eu-trade-agreements-adopted-by-council/

_Brian

See big Phill is defending the deal, actually he seems to imply we’re either stupid or ungrateful, or possibly both.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0629/1059154-beef-mercosur-european-union/

charlie14

_Brian wrote: »

See big Phill is defending the deal, actually he seems to imply we’re either stupid or ungrateful, or possibly both.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0629/1059154-beef-mercosur-european-union/

No change from his position on water charges so, and we all know how that worked out.

older by the day

I suppose it starts with 100000 ton but once the gates are open will it increase the tonnage down the road, what maddens me is I have a bird via inspection soon and listening to the changes Ireland will have to make to prevent global warming. There is not one party in the dail to support rural Ireland

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

See big Phill is defending the deal, actually he seems to imply we’re either stupid or ungrateful, or possibly both.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0629/1059154-beef-mercosur-european-union/

I was just reading the news there and it seems one of the bargaining points for Brazilian beef access was Brazil staying in the climate deal and not pulling out like the U.S.
(Well that's the spin the EU will put on it).

https://www.dw.com/en/g20-summit-world-leaders-agree-on-climate-deal/a-49408651

Bolsonaro seems unhappy in the picture that his coke never made it over for the celebrations. :rolleyes:
And Theresa May just seems resigned to the fact that the world is phucked.

In other news US sanctions on Iran is hitting German Iranian trade hard. It's estimated if it continues it'll put 10,000 German jobs at risk. Lucky for them this south American deal is getting the go ahead.

Blaizes

I heard about this in the news. As a consumer does this mean the Irish market will be flooded with this meat? I love Irish beef and trust the traceability system and the quality. This can’t be good news.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Blaizes wrote: »

I heard about this in the news. As a consumer does this mean the Irish market will be flooded with this meat? I love Irish beef and trust the traceability system and the quality. This can’t be good news.

A lot will depend on how much prime cuts and non prime cuts are allowed in under the deal and whether those cuts are fresh or frozen. There's very little detail coming out atm.

Say my name

Blaizes wrote: »

I heard about this in the news. As a consumer does this mean the Irish market will be flooded with this meat? I love Irish beef and trust the traceability system and the quality. This can’t be good news.

If you were to believe the reports it'll mean that there'll be a minimum standard applied to Brazilian imports now into the UK and Ireland in preparation for brexit.
So any food you buy in British retailers in Ireland with precooked and oven ready meat dinners made by British companies and sold in Ireland will now have a standard applied to the Brazilian meat in those products covering both Ireland and the UK.

screamer

Have any of you eaten Brazilian beef? I have many times over in Brazil and I can assure you it’s as good as anything we produce, but that consumption was only because I was on holiday and no choice in suppliers. However, at home, personally I would much rather purchase Irish beef, traceable, reared well and treated well (as I do believe most farmers do treat their animals well). I certainly won’t be buying Brazilian beef in Ireland, and I want this crap of produced in Ireland to be banned. It’s misleading and wrong. I don’t really care about price, I’ll pay for good food for my family,

I think the EU is just going to screw the small countries from now on. A total scam to keep German monetary system artificially affordable, whilst opening markets for them to flog their cars which are a powerhouse of their economy. feck them, and mercosur is just the start of the BS

Castlekeeper

cathal irwin wrote: »

This deal was always going to happen. Europe does not give a thought to ireland we too small of an economy. This deal was always to benefit Germany. They wanted to sell more cars and chemicals at the expense of agriculture.

I thought it the main drivers used to be the financial and insurance industries, I suppose they'll all pile in.

thecretinhop

The utter vile creatures the greens not a peep out of them on this they hate irish farmers and rural people.
Imo if we had a good rural political party it could easily get 20pc of national vote

older by the day

thecretinhop wrote: »

The utter vile creatures the greens not a peep out of them on this they hate irish farmers and rural people.
Imo if we had a good rural political party it could easily get 20pc of national vote

Often came in to my head. But I'd have to be back from the dail to skib for the milking

What would a rural political parties manifesto be?
How would it be different from say FF who got 17% of the vote last time.