Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Water John

Tish, can't remember her full name, NY State Attorney has tweeted she'll go after anyone incl the President who has broken the law.
Here she is Letitia James;
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/451184-new-york-ag-fires-back-at-trump-no-one-is-above-the-law

TomOnBoard

More of it!!!

A month ago, Trump's administration announced that Huawei were a danger to the USA and were classified as absolutely off limits for US companies to deal with...

And today, they're grand! Work away and deal with them all ye like. ..

Like, WTF!!! Do they have an iota of a clue there???

peddlelies

pixelburp wrote: »

Too many discussions on Islam do not make this tacit acknowledgment, note the distinction of there being subsets and variations of Islamic belief; while often a lazy, hostile strawman is quickly invoked as a battering ram as to why Islam is incompatible with "Western" culture, in whatever form that's meant during the argument. And if that's not invoked, you'll get whataboutery to castigate the relative lay people along the lines of "well, why don't the good/normal Muslims protest against the extremists" (they do, but it's hand waved away) See After Hours on this very site to see this kind of mentality.

I think there's actual substance there. I appreciate the genuine reply even though I disagree. This thread isn't for that discussion.

20Cent

AOC's reports on the internment camps are shocking. There has also been found to be a Facebook group for border agents which is full of racist comments, "jokes" about sexual assault and cruelty. This comes from the top trumps comments make them think this is ok.

pixelburp

I saw AOC's impromptu press conference as she left in a car; it's rare to see a politician genuinely enraged as much as she clearly was. She. Was. P*ssed. And as she remarked, what she saw was while everyone was on 'best behaviour' for the appearance of a member of Congress.

It's all well and good chattering about when this policy started and there are those that's say "Oh but Obama started it...", to which the response must surely be ... so what if he did? It doesn't change the guilt by association for any President with a conscience to allow this disgusting, inhumane treatment to continue. Trumps is choosing to allow this institutionalised inhumanity to continue. They are Concentration Camps and fair play to AOC for calling them out as this - especially once the disingenuous started quibbling over the (actually accurate) language.

Still believe AOC's honeymoon will come crashing down at some point, she'll eventually lose the shine of righteousness once <insert scandal here> occurs, but in the meantime I gotta admire her bullish, no-f*cks-given approach. She's part of a rotten system and seems unafraid to call it out. Her savvy social media presence and - let's be honest here - youthful good looks, is getting the message across; I can see why the GOP are obsessed with her.

Leroy42

Check out this answer from Trump about how dirty US cities are (when compared to the cleanliness of Japan).

Clearly Trump hadn't a breeze and was just riffing, but it gives a good insight into his thinking.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1145891322127114240

He even manages to place the blame on the liberals!

rossie1977

She the smartest politican in the US and the right wing obsession in trying to tear her down is only succeeding in giving her free advertising.

everlast75

pixelburp wrote: »

I saw AOC's impromptu press conference as she left in a car; it's rare to see a politician genuinely enraged as much as she clearly was. She. Was. P*ssed. And as she remarked, what she saw was while everyone was on 'best behaviour' for the appearance of a member of Congress.

It's all well and good chattering about when this policy started and there are those that's say "Oh but Obama started it...", to which the response must surely be ... so what if he did? It doesn't change the guilt by association for any President with a conscience to allow this disgusting, inhumane treatment to continue. Trumps is choosing to allow this institutionalised inhumanity to continue. They are Concentration Camps and fair play to AOC for calling them out as this - especially once the disingenuous started quibbling over the (actually accurate) language.

Still believe AOC's honeymoon will come crashing down at some point, she'll eventually lose the shine of righteousness once <insert scandal here> occurs, but in the meantime I gotta admire her bullish, no-f*cks-given approach. She's part of a rotten system and seems unafraid to call it out. Her savvy social media presence and - let's be honest here - youthful good looks, is getting the message across; I can see why the GOP are obsessed with her.

Off the top of my head and I am open to correction but

1) catch and release was used in Obama's time and according to US agencies it was working. Trump stopped that.

2) Trump introduced the separation of families thing as a deterrent

3) Trump started prosecuting people for the misdemeanor of crossing the borders, not done under Obama

4) Trump closed the border

5) Trump has vilified immigrants - not done under Obama's watch

Again, I could be wrong, but there are marked differences I think

James Brown

Good commentary by a lad the other day, (if I find a link).
Basically talking on how Trump is aggressive and argumentative with traditional allies yet gives compliments to the likes of the Saudis, Putin, Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping.
It's possible it's some kind of tactic but the word is N.K will be allowed keep some nukes and both China and Putin do what they like while Trump jokes with and compliments them.
It seems to be a case of Trump wanting to be seen to be a deal maker even if there is no deal or a bad one.

mcmoustache

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It seems to be a case of Trump wanting to be seen to be a deal maker even if there is no deal or a bad one.

It's the same with everything. Trump knows his base and he knows that if he is shown crossing the DMZ that his supporters will think that something of substance was achieved. While he might be ignorant of a lot of things, he understands his base better than most and acts accordingly.

Those whiny tweets, those attacks on Kapaernik, the easily disproven lies, the central park five nonsense, the "emergency" at the border - those aren't a serious effort to bring people to his side. That's Trump giving his base what they want. It's also Trump revealing what he thinks of them.

Now, back to Trump's "historic" moment, at least according to himself and his base. If only there was a way to compare his achievement with that of his predecessors. That way, we could tell whether this was anything of substance or just Trump playing to his base.

Stop moaning ffs

The aliens have finally arrived? Or something worse??

BREAKING : VP Pence called back to DC for Emergency situation , cancels campaign event in New Hampshire — Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) July 2, 2019 PUTIN PULLS OUT OF SCHEDULED EVENT - RIA QUOTES KREMLIN PUTIN TO MEET HIS DEFENCE MINISTER VERY SOON - TASS QUOTES KREMLIN — zerohedge (@zerohedge) July 2, 2019 Gulp. It's probably nothing. RUN! More as we get it.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/07/02/uh-oh-26/It

RIGOLO

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's the same with everything. Trump knows his base and he knows that if he is shown crossing the DMZ that his supporters will think that something of substance was achieved. While he might be ignorant of a lot of things, he understands his base better than most and acts accordingly.

Those whiny tweets, those attacks on Kapaernik, the easily disproven lies, the central park five nonsense, the "emergency" at the border - those aren't a serious effort to bring people to his side. That's Trump giving his base what they want. It's also Trump revealing what he thinks of them.

Now, back to Trump's "historic" moment, at least according to himself and his base. If only there was a way to compare his achievement with that of his predecessors. That way, we could tell whether this was anything of substance or just Trump playing to his base.

Your chart was obviously written by someone who was ignoring the facts...

NK has had 6 Nuclear tests

1 in 2006 approx 2 KiloTon - BUSH II

1 in 2009 approx 5 kiloton - OBAMA I
1 in 2013 approx 12 kiloton - OBAMA I
2 in 2016 16 kiloton - OBAMA II
and 25 kiloton - OBAMA II

So Im not sure how you can tick Obama as having gotten a Nuclear Testing Freeze when in his 8 years of office NK, had 4 nuclear tests, spread over 7 of his 8 years going from 5 kiloton to 25 kiloton ..

RIGOLO

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Good commentary by a lad the other day, (if I find a link).
Basically talking on how Trump is aggressive and argumentative with traditional allies yet gives compliments to the likes of the Saudis, Putin, Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping.
It's possible it's some kind of tactic but the word is N.K will be allowed keep some nukes and both China and Putin do what they like while Trump jokes with and compliments them.
It seems to be a case of Trump wanting to be seen to be a deal maker even if there is no deal or a bad one.

You seem to have forgotten the war of words between Trump and Kim Jong...
where he called him 'Little Rocket Man ' ...

And your also ignoring the extra 1500 more troops to Germany , the biggest shipment of tanks since the cold war to the Russian border, the bulking up of Balkans defensice positions and the sale of offensive JAVELIN missile systems to the Ukraine , as well as multiple economic and banking sanctions on Russia citizens etc etc

The facts dont back up your narrative....

RIGOLO

rossie1977 wrote: »

She the smartest politican in the US and the right wing obsession in trying to tear her down is only succeeding in giving her free advertising.

Id imagine the residents of her borough who lost out on that Amazon multi- billion dollar investment are starting to wonder just how intelligent she is ..

She has a degree in econmics but ended up as a bartender , and she had the neck to call Ivanka Trump " unqualified " when in fact Ivanka has been invovled in business since an early age, runs a number of her own businesses , has an MBA from Wharton and has conducted herself extremely well on the world stage in the last 2 years .

AOC and her Green NEW DEAL .. the one that every Democrat rejected with 3 democrats voting AGAINST it and the other 43 voting 'PRESENT' but not for it ..

She isnt a smart politician she is just ticking the main stream media boxes for now, she wont last long..

Quin_Dub

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Good commentary by a lad the other day, (if I find a link).
Basically talking on how Trump is aggressive and argumentative with traditional allies yet gives compliments to the likes of the Saudis, Putin, Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping.
It's possible it's some kind of tactic but the word is N.K will be allowed keep some nukes and both China and Putin do what they like while Trump jokes with and compliments them.
It seems to be a case of Trump wanting to be seen to be a deal maker even if there is no deal or a bad one.

I think the thing with Trump and his affinity to Authoritarian leaders is that they have control over all the things he hates about being POTUS.

I think he thought being President would be just like running his business - Do what he wanted , when he wanted with no one questioning or challenging him - No judges over-ruling him , no House or Senate committee up in his business. No Media analysing his every word and move.

The reality is of course quite different and he looks at Putin , Xi , KJU et al and sees people that are getting to lead they way he though he could - With absolute power and loyalty from their staff.....and he's jealous.

He far too self centred to see all the awful, horrible despicable stuff that they do - He just sees them as being in charge and he wishes he could be like them.

batgoat

RIGOLO wrote: »

Id imagine the residents of her borough who lost out on that Amazon multi- billion dollar investment are starting to wonder just how intelligent she is ..

She has a degree in econmics but ended up as a bartender , and she had the neck to call Ivanka Trump " unqualified " when in fact Ivanka has been invovled in business since an early age, runs a number of her own businesses , has an MBA from Wharton and has conducted herself extremely well on the world stage in the last 2 years .

AOC and her Green NEW DEAL .. the one that every Democrat rejected with 3 democrats voting AGAINST it and the other 43 voting 'PRESENT' but not for it ..

She isnt a smart politician she is just ticking the main stream media boxes for now, she wont last long..

Ivanka Trump is involved in business since a young age because she has a rich father with multiple businesses. Meanwhile Cortez literally worked her way up to the position she's in through graft.

Stop moaning ffs

RIGOLO wrote: »

Id imagine the residents of her borough who lost out on that Amazon multi- billion dollar investment are starting to wonder just how intelligent she is ..

She has a degree in econmics but ended up as a bartender , and she had the neck to call Ivanka Trump " unqualified " when in fact Ivanka has been invovled in business since an early age, runs a number of her own businesses , has an MBA from Wharton and has conducted herself extremely well on the world stage in the last 2 years .

AOC and her Green NEW DEAL .. the one that every Democrat rejected with 3 democrats voting AGAINST it and the other 43 voting 'PRESENT' but not for it ..

She isnt a smart politician she is just ticking the main stream media boxes for now, she wont last long..

She’s been given more oxegen and coverage by ranting and obviously fear of her from the GOP and it’s Members. They’re doing more for her career than anything.

Ivanka being trumps daughter. Is. Not. A. Qualification.
Does she even have any degrees?
Apart from those from the failed trump college

RIGOLO

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't to be honest. Trumpism is effectively a cult of personality and that personality is constrained to two presidential terms. It's possible that Trump may groom a successor but whether or not that individual will have the same appeal remains to be seen.

I think time will show that Trump's approach will not solve any problems long term. Denying climate change and frustrating states' attempts to tackle it will merely exacerbate the situation which will in turn have a knock-on effect on migration. Without bold action on climate change worldwide then we're going to see a lot more mass migration as people abandon their desolate holdings and move to pastures new.

Trump has shown no indication whatsoever that he's even thought about this at all. Instead, he denies climate change and postures for his faithful supporters. When Trumpism fails to show results it will begin to wither and die. The best we can hope for is that the succeeding ideology is more progressive both in terms of addressing migration and climate change as well as tackling inequality in the US.

US Military is back on track,
US Economy is back on track
US Employment rates are at or near their best ever , especially for black and asians
The stock market is at or near an all time high,
NK is at the negotiating table
US - China trade continues to balance
US - EU trade continues to rebalance
US manufacturing jobs have increased
5 million less people on foodstamps
...

looks to me like he has solved alot of problems ...

As for climate change ...
Name 4 coutries who signed the Paris Climate accord who have reduced their Carbon Emissions in the intervening years ?
Name the nations who have signed hte Paris Climate accord with the fastest growing CO2 emissions rate ?

pixelburp

batgoat wrote: »

Ivanka Trump is involved in business since a young age because she has a rich father with multiple businesses. Meanwhile Cortez literally worked her way up to the position she's in through graft.

So hypocritical really isn't it: hard graft from the bottom is supposed to be the republican (or rep adjacent) ideal, hell it's supposed to be the American Dream is it not? Getting a job and rolling up the sleeves. Yet working as a barkeeper is to be sneered at, while a daughter of Old Money should be praised for "running" a Chinese produced clothing line?

Hypo. Critical. And flies in the face of the country the hagiography is supposed to be in awe of.

It's America. Work as a barkeep, pay your way. Except if your Ivanka apparently.

RIGOLO

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

She’s been given more oxegen and coverage by ranting and obviously fear of her from the GOP and it’s Members. They’re doing more for her career than anything.

Ivanka being trumps daughter. Is. Not. A. Qualification.
Does she even have any degrees?
Apart from those from the failed trump college

So much for misogyny..

The US Delegation at the G20 Summit was the only delegation that had an ALL FEMALE NEGOTIATING TEAM ...

wow if Obama did this , Hollywood and the left would swoon

Trump does it and all the anti-Trumpers can come up with is shes not qualified, despite being invovled in business since an early age, runs a number of her own businesses , has an MBA from Wharton and has conducted herself extremely well on the world stage in the last 2 years .

James Brown

RIGOLO wrote: »

You seem to have forgotten the war of words between Trump and Kim Jong...
where he called him 'Little Rocket Man ' ...

And your also ignoring the extra 1500 more troops to Germany , the biggest shipment of tanks since the cold war to the Russian border, the bulking up of Balkans defensice positions and the sale of offensive JAVELIN missile systems to the Ukraine , as well as multiple economic and banking sanctions on Russia citizens etc etc

The facts dont back up your narrative....

The facts are he complimented all these butchers in recent days. You disagree? Also Kim has been carrying out tests since their last historic meet.

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your chart was obviously written by someone who was ignoring the facts...

NK has had 6 Nuclear tests

1 in 2006 approx 2 KiloTon - BUSH II

1 in 2009 approx 5 kiloton - OBAMA I
1 in 2013 approx 12 kiloton - OBAMA I
2 in 2016 16 kiloton - OBAMA II
and 25 kiloton - OBAMA II

So Im not sure how you can tick Obama as having gotten a Nuclear Testing Freeze when in his 8 years of office NK, had 4 nuclear tests, spread over 7 of his 8 years going from 5 kiloton to 25 kiloton ..

Exactly. The chart refers to the agreements and as you correctly point out, these agreements aren't worth anything.

So while his predecessors managed to get NK to agree to more deals that they reneged on, Trump has only managed one of those.

mcmoustache

pixelburp wrote: »

Except if your Ivanka apparently.

It's amazing how much Trump supporters are willing to support an east coast liberal elite democrat donor when it's Trump's daughter.

RIGOLO

As we all know in American elections you need ALOT of money .

Trump has just raked in over 100million for his campaign, he has aligned his campaign funding with RNC funding and between them they have over 100 million collected in the second quarter.
This will all bode well for 2020 .

Effectively Trump is almost raising more money than ALL of the Democratic candidates combined.

And we can expect this fund raising to snowball and grow .

The GOP Republicans raise $51 MILLION, meanwhile the DNC is nearly underwater with debts of $6million and less than $8 million in the bank ...

Trump campaign, RNC raise $105 million in second quarter
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/republican-national-committee-trump-fundraising-second-quarter/index.html

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

So much for misogyny..

The US Delegation at the G20 Summit was the only delegation that had an ALL FEMALE NEGOTIATING TEAM ...

Where are you copy/pasting this stuff from? And I think you may have pasted that stuff in response to a different comment since it's only tangentially related to what you were replying to.

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

As we all know in American elections you need ALOT of money .

Trump has just raked in over 100million for his campaign, he has aligned his campaign funding with RNC funding and between them they have over 100 million collected in the second quarter.
This will all bode well for 2020 .

Effectively Trump is almost raising more money than ALL of the Democratic candidates combined.

And we can expect this fund raising to snowball and grow .

The GOP Republicans raise $51 MILLION, meanwhile the DNC is nearly underwater with debts of $6million and less than $8 million in the bank ...

Trump campaign, RNC raise $105 million in second quarter
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/republican-national-committee-trump-fundraising-second-quarter/index.html

Are you working off some template? Here's one of yours from a fwe days ago.

Donald TRump has raised over $35 MILLION dollars since launching his campaign , bringing to over $40 million the total amount he has available.

Just goes to show what a successful businessman can do .

All the anti-TRumpers were getting excited a few weeks back about Bernies 22million and posting how Bernie was trouncing Trump in the fund raising stakes, they missed the kind of important fact that TRump hadnt launched his campaign yet.
Donald fundraising is making bernie look like a poor relation.
I expect the $22 million Bernie has is a waste of money , Bernie aint going to win the nomination , not to mind the election.

Looks like the TRump Campaign will have a healthy war chest to spread the news about the TRump Administration great achievements in the run up to 2020.

As for the Democrats NAtional party finances ... they are embarrassing for the Democrats.
All that backing from Hollywood, all the main stream news and celebrity endorsements and the partys finances are in big trouble ..

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_commit...ing,_2019-2020

The DNC 6 million in debt and only 8million in cash... whilst the RNC has 37million in cash and no debt.

Committee Receipts Disbursements Cash on hand Debt owed
DNC $34,344,125 $35,785,375 $8,264,547 $5,984,996
RNC $76,383,932 $62,854,690 $37,030,804 $0

peddlelies

mcmoustache wrote: »

So while his predecessors managed to get NK to agree to more deals that they reneged on, Trump has only managed one of those.

So it's a dig at Trump to say he hasn't signed worthless deals with NK? You can do better than that.

mcmoustache

peddlelies wrote: »

So it's a dig at Trump to say he hasn't signed worthless deals with NK? You can do better than that.

Not quite. After all the praise and legitimisation of KJU on the world stage, all he got was a worthless agreement. his predecessors got more worthless ones along with inspections for less.

Deals mustn't be his thing.

TomOnBoard

AOC has certainly stuck her head above the parapet in her comments on the visit to a Border Patrol migrant holding area. She is reported as saying that she saw migrants drinking out of toilets due to a lack of drinking water and other facilities, and that she felt unsafe in the last place they visited (the implication being she was made feel unsafe by CBP and their actions. A CBP official denies her claim categorically.

Now if this is true, heads at all levels to the top need to roll. If it is not true and AOC has told lies, then she'll be annihilated. .

Cody montana

RIGOLO wrote: »

US Military is back on track,
US Economy is back on track
US Employment rates are at or near their best ever , especially for black and asians
The stock market is at or near an all time high,
NK is at the negotiating table
US - China trade continues to balance
US - EU trade continues to rebalance
US manufacturing jobs have increased
5 million less people on foodstamps
...

looks to me like he has solved alot of problems ...

As for climate change ...
Name 4 coutries who signed the Paris Climate accord who have reduced their Carbon Emissions in the intervening years ?
Name the nations who have signed hte Paris Climate accord with the fastest growing CO2 emissions rate ?

Great job Obama.