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  • #52
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    trellheim wrote: »
    In Dublin Airport Tower who employs the controllers ? I presume the IAA or is it DAA ?

    I did read the presentation somewhere about them flow controlling the inbounds but as far as I can tell the problem is not here but more about improved runway management vs a risk profile .... but where's the open discussion
    IAA employ the controllers and run ATC in Ireland


  • #53
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    In the (distant) past that was the everyday norm at DUB:

    "Shamrock xxx do you have the landing company 737 in sight"

    "We have him in sight, shamrock xxx"

    "Shamrock xxx Behind the landing 737 line up and wait"

    "Behind the landing 737 line up and wait, shamrock xxx"


    I'm amazed to hear that this procedure is not being used nowadays. Why was it dropped?

    One of the holding points (E1 I think but it may have changed recently) would give you a poor view of arriving traffic and it certainly would not be visible to the pilot in the right seat. I dont think this procedure should be used here. However there should be no such problem with aircraft lining up along runway 16/34 or indeed for runway 10.


  • #54
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭trellheim


    OK thanks help me out here.

    IAA run tower , do they run Ground as well ? A mention was made up-thread about Ground Controllers, is that an IAA position or is it an actual qualification


  • #55
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    trellheim wrote: »
    OK thanks help me out here.

    IAA run tower , do they run Ground as well ? A mention was made up-thread about Ground Controllers, is that an IAA position or is it an actual qualification


    Ground Movements and Clearance Delivery are part of the ATC service and, depending on their rating, a controller may at different times operate in other positions such as Air Movements (Tower) also.


  • #56
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Posts 31 and 38 in this thread refer to the POD who seem to be ground controllers in Post 31 and it is mentioned they are not, in Post 38. Which is correct ?


  • #57
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    trellheim wrote: »
    Posts 31 and 38 in this thread refer to the POD who seem to be ground controllers in Post 31 and it is mentioned they are not, in Post 38. Which is correct ?
    Surface Movements Control are IAA empl and are responsible for the control of aircraft while they are leaving the ramp and on the taxiways
    The "POD" are DAA employees and are responsible for stand allocation.


  • #58
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Arrived around midnight last night. Busy flight but Airport only had one stairs available for the front only. That coupled with ATC delaying the outgoing flight, it appears they were looking to make up time on the way back but there was no shortcut or earlier slot available to get into Dublin


  • #59
    Bebop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Bebop


    Will the new runway ease this problem? Or is it an ATC issue?


  • #60
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Bebop wrote: »
    Will the new runway ease this problem? Or is it an ATC issue?

    It should ease ground congestion.
    One of the current issues seems to be a busy airport with all departures headng for a single takeoff point for RWY10 (or 2 close entry points if RWY28)
    Add to that you regularly have arriving aircraft having to get directed thru the departure queue.

    In theory the 2nd runway should mean less chokepoint traffic. But it doesnt do anything about the above mentioned ATC spacing procedure. Or those it affect the stupid chokepoint at the end of the T2 pier.


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