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Besides Vitamin D, what other benefits does sunlight on skin benefit humans?

  • 17-06-2019 5:10pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Hi. If someone took Vitamin D supplements - is there any need to get sunlight on our skin? Thanks.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭ nomdeboardie


    According to this news-type article which I read recently https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science, there may be non-vitamin-D-mediated beneficial effects on blood pressure and clotting among other things. I can't vouch for any of the underlying research as I didn't look it up or anything.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Perhaps it helps to boost dopamine and serotonin levels?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭ nomdeboardie


    Worztron wrote: »
    Perhaps it helps to boost dopamine and serotonin levels?
    Serotonin mentioned in that article all right


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Serotonin mentioned in that article all right

    Sorry, nomdeboardie, I missed it first time around.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    From this article: https://www.lifesavvy.com/3775/always-tired-try-these-tips-out-to-boost-your-energy/

    "...sunlight—which stimulates the production of vitamin D, serotonin and melatonin, a feel-good hormone and a sleep-regulating hormone respectively..."

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭ nomdeboardie


    Worztron wrote: »
    From this article: https://www.lifesavvy.com/3775/always-tired-try-these-tips-out-to-boost-your-energy/

    "...sunlight—which stimulates the production of vitamin D, serotonin and melatonin, a feel-good hormone and a sleep-regulating hormone respectively..."
    Yes, though I think the effect of sunlight (through the eyes) on melatonin regulation seems more complex - I get the impression that it downregulates it during the day and this increases its production/effectiveness at night(?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Yes, though I think the effect of sunlight (through the eyes) on melatonin regulation seems more complex - I get the impression that it downregulates it during the day and this increases its production/effectiveness at night(?)

    AFAIK, at night, melatonin is produced from serotonin.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭ nomdeboardie


    Worztron wrote: »
    AFAIK, at night, melatonin is produced from serotonin.
    Ah :o, the plot thickens


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭✭✭ BeckiB


    Yes, though I think the effect of sunlight (through the eyes) on melatonin regulation seems more complex - I get the impression that it downregulates it during the day and this increases its production/effectiveness at night(?)

    Correct


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Ceepo


    Have a listen to this. Sunlight plays a huge role in our lives. Unfortunately we dont get enough of it..

    Or check out the work of Dr Jack Kruse

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=X5WCYlaPAwM


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Have a listen to this. Sunlight plays a huge role in our lives. Unfortunately we dont get enough of it..

    Or check out the work of Dr Jack Kruse

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=X5WCYlaPAwM

    What? So if someone avoids the sun but takes vitamin D supplements -- they'd still be vitamin D deficient?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭ jh79


    Worztron wrote: »
    What? So if someone avoids the sun but takes vitamin D supplements -- they'd still be vitamin D deficient?

    Here's an article on Vit D from Science Based Medicine. Vit D supplements in general are a waste of money.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-rise-and-inevitable-fall-of-vitamin-d/


  • Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭ Budawanny


    jh79 wrote: »
    Here's an article on Vit D from Science Based Medicine. Vit D supplements in general are a waste of money.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-rise-and-inevitable-fall-of-vitamin-d/
    This is incorrect . The article states that
    “Given the ubiquity of supplementation in the absence of deficiency”. In other words it’s useless to use vitamin D supplements when you don’t need too. In Ireland the majority of the population is deficient in winter, supplements excluded.


  • Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭ Budawanny


    Worztron wrote: »
    What? So if someone avoids the sun but takes vitamin D supplements -- they'd still be vitamin D deficient?
    Nope. They won’t be deficient . But will be missing other benefits like serotonin production and reuptake inhibition. Sunlight is also used to help skin disorders like psoriasis and eczema.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭ jh79


    Budawanny wrote: »
    This is incorrect . The article states that
    “Given the ubiquity of supplementation in the absence of deficiency”. In other words it’s useless to use vitamin D supplements when you don’t need too. In Ireland the majority of the population is deficient in winter, supplements excluded.

    Did you not read the breakdown into the common claims? No real benefits observed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Ceepo


    Worztron wrote: »
    What? So if someone avoids the sun but takes vitamin D supplements -- they'd still be vitamin D deficient?

    The body converts sunlight into vit D.
    His theory is that if you supplement you inhibit the body from natural doing it.
    He does outline the reason why.
    Taking supplements of vit D is not the same as producing it naturally, because of the different spectrum of light.
    Wearing sunglasses, sun block, and spending to much time indoors and not getting enough natural sunlight particularly in the early am and late pm is the reason why vit D deficiency is so prevalent


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    jh79 wrote: »
    Here's an article on Vit D from Science Based Medicine. Vit D supplements in general are a waste of money.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org
    I've since read a few items about sciencebasedmedicine.org that does not paint a good picture of them.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Luciano Moldy Teen


    Broad spectrum natural light from sunlight is essential for ALL life on earth (for billions of years),
    from UV helping Vit-D, across to i-Red which can help with aches n' pains and reducing inflammation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭ jh79


    Worztron wrote: »
    I've since read a few items about sciencebasedmedicine.org that does not paint a good picture of them.

    Really, well respected blog among scientists.

    Could you give an example?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭ Stop moaning ffs


    If you have psoriasis whatever uv is in natural sunlight is beneficial to helping controlling it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭ holliehobbie


    If you have the third most common endocrine disease like I have you must definitely need vitD supplements taken with magnesium supplements at the same time. One of the indicators for primary hyperPARAthyroidism is low vitD levels and high parathyroid hormone and high calcium levels. And low phosphate levels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Have a listen to this. Sunlight plays a huge role in our lives. Unfortunately we dont get enough of it..

    Or check out the work of Dr Jack Kruse

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=X5WCYlaPAwM

    He mentioned that he has freckles and can stay in the sun for 12 hours a day and not get fried. He also said 'the incidence of melanoma is reduced by solar exposure'. What?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Ceepo


    Worztron wrote: »
    What? So if someone avoids the sun but takes vitamin D supplements -- they'd still be vitamin D deficient?

    Have a read of this

    https://jackkruse.com/time-10-can-you-supplement-sunlight/


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    jh79 wrote: »
    Really, well respected blog among scientists.

    Could you give an example?

    Hi jh79. I don't recall where.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Ceepo wrote: »

    That needs a TLDR.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Ceepo


    Worztron wrote: »
    He mentioned that he has freckles and can stay in the sun for 12 hours a day and not get fried. He also said 'the incidence of melanoma is reduced by solar exposure'. What?

    Yes he does mention this.
    Now he he also mentioned that he has built up a tolerance, also mentioned that he has cut down his exposure to blue light and nnEMF..
    Funny how you pick up and quote that bit.. 🙄🙄


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Ceepo


    Worztron wrote: »
    That needs a TLDR.
    By TLDR I assume you mean it was to long and didnt read it.
    Do you want someone read read it and give you a break down 🙄🙄
    You asked about other benefits of sunlight.
    And I gave you a link to do some research..

    As you well know that you shouldn't take the word of a random poster on an internet forum..

    Here is some other information to consider.
    Please note there are links provided..

    Perhaps you have heard about recent reports on sunscreen toxicity from the Journal of the American Medical Association (1) and have been looking for better ways to protect your skin from sun damage.

    If so, consider this:

    The kind of radiation that is known to be able to damage skin — ultraviolet B — and the kind of radiation that we now know protects and heals skin — infrared A — both come from the same source: the sun.

    In fact, recent research suggests that AM sunlight, which is proportionately higher in infrared frequencies, actually works to "precondition" the skin to prepare it to accept the ultraviolet frequencies which rise during the midday hours. Likewise, as ultraviolet proportionally declines in the afternoon, the higher ratio of infrared from the sun works to "repair damage" accrued in the skin from the hours before (2).

    Ever wonder how early humans weren’t riddled with skin cancer?

    Ever wonder why modern civilized humans, who spend 90% of their lives indoors and who cover themselves with sunscreen while outside, are getting increasingly high rates of skin cancer? (3).

    Did you know that recent studies show that, like all other cancers, skin cancer risk actually decreases as sun exposure increases? (4,5).

    Perhaps the real solution to skin cancer isn't about blocking UVB (which, by the way, is the only slice of the spectrum capable of producing vitamin D in humans). Perhaps the real solution is the one our ancestors naturally utilized for hundreds of thousands of years, the one built into nature itself: taking advantage of the full range of sunlight frequencies around the clock.

    "One could therefore assume that early morning 'sun salutation' and late afternoon procrastination on the beach are actually natural PBM [photobiomodulation] treatments to prevent and repair, respectively. Consequently, if your shadow is taller than you are (in the early morning and late afternoon) you're taking advantage of the beneficial effects of IR-A while avoiding peak harmful UVR. Ultimately, it is another way of being sun smart" (2).

    1. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2733085?guestAccessKey=e1ad4492-fe70-4f53-970d-d63bfa1cdccd&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=05062019

    2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4745411/?fbclid=IwAR0KmhzvR0v5SZYFCDYFhivDWO4W4uMo0_OQ8RgNMVBqsRaKpQRG88S7qy0

    3. https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/cancer_2020.htm

    4. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ijc.2910350403?fbclid=IwAR35gwi5og8SOpTmrh0zgwRt1ohLrTvju2eTfyzHWBd7ypvGha0bb1yhxqY

    5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24697969/?fbclid=IwAR1luyPKcqmJCNzHNj33TQtapWfT33EBUvtUUQyBHG7qsZVPwNgZNKJ2duM.

    This was pasted from another site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Yes he does mention this.
    Now he he also mentioned that he has built up a tolerance, also mentioned that he has cut down his exposure to blue light and nnEMF..
    Funny how you pick up and quote that bit.. ����

    I don't believe that a guy with freckles can stay in the sun for 12 hours and not get fried. I also find it hard to believe that melanoma is reduced by more solar exposure.
    I don't use sunblock - I like to be in the sun for short periods in the early morn and late eve but try to avoid it at all other times.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Ceepo


    Worztron wrote: »
    I don't believe that a guy with freckles can stay in the sun for 12 hours and not get fried. I also find it hard to believe that melanoma is reduced by more solar exposure.
    I don't use sunblock - I like to be in the sun for short periods in the early morn and late eve but try to avoid it at all other times.

    Of course its your prerogative to belief what ever you care to do so..

    How may of these melanoma's are on skin exposed areas?

    We all know melanoma is on the increase, this at a time when we have never covered ourselves more with suncream, clothes, sunglasses, UV protection in windscreens, windows etc etc..
    We also know that out diet has change a huge amount over the last few decades. From eating out of seasons foods, processed food etc.
    What has also change is our environment, we now live in a high nnEMF environment, from mobile phones, wifi and other electric powered devices...
    Is all of this just a correlation?.
    Has the sun change at out latitude over the same period?

    Well done on the am and pm light ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭ Worztron


    Ceepo wrote: »
    ... Well done on the am and pm light ;)

    Thanks. 🌞

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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