About them Government people reacting to climate change lads

Neon_Lights

Looks like a little bit of reactive action considering how well the greens did in dublin metro - Typical blueshirt window-dressing

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0617/1055694-climate-plan-government/

OldMrBrennan83

"Government to consider new climate action plan" = ching ching, it's tax o'clock.

Colonel Claptrap

The plan is 1 year in the making.

How is it reactive to an election held last month?

Dj Stiggie

I'm seeing a lot of posts on Boards blaming the Greens for this, the Blueshirts for that, and anyone else for the rest, with f all substance. Ive been away for many years now and I know why.

*And I'm not a Leo fan

NIMAN

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of posts on Boards blaming the Greens for this, the Blueshirts for that, and anyone else for the rest, with f all substance. Ive been away for many years now and I know why.

*And I'm not a Leo fan

Closet FF'ers !

Blazer

Some more info on it being leaked.

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/revealed-how-climate-change-action-strategy-will-affect-you-38224591.html

To be honest its a complete waste of time.
As long as the US, China, India and other developing nations all continue to heavily pollute what Ireland will actually do is about as good as pissing into a hurricane.
Nothing will be done until a catastrophic event has occurred to force nations to change.

whisky_galore

Blazer wrote: »

Some more info on it being leaked.


Nothing will be done until a catastrophic event in a first world country has occurred to force nations to change.

Fyp.

Wanderer78

Ge incoming!

Thrashssacre

Think it’s a step too far for one plan I’d imagine they’ll be quite a lot of kickback, banning petrol and diesel from town centers will be a non starter to begin with.

Wanderer78

Thrashssacre wrote:

Think it’s a step too far for one plan I’d imagine they’ll be quite a lot of kickback, banning petrol and diesel from town centers will be a non starter to begin with.

Haha shur that's gonna happen anytime soon, sounds like another makie uppy policy, just to keep the punters happy

OldRio

I wonder how cutting down trees in Dublin to allow more cars into the city can be classified as 'green'?

OldMrBrennan83

OldRio wrote: »

I wonder how cutting down trees in Dublin to allow more cars into the city can be classified as 'green'?

They're cutting down trees and taking people's front gardens for buses not cars.

Chips Lovell

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

They're cutting down trees and taking people's front gardens for buses not cars.

That’s not entirely correct. They’re cutting them down to allow for buses and cars. If there were just bus lanes on most of those routes there’d be no need to cut down trees.

kneemos

Might start by teaching youngsters not to throw crap everywhere.
Anywhere they stop there's a pile of rubbish left behind.

OldMrBrennan83

What's our magical alternative to oil and gas heating (that won't cost everyone a fortune)? Gather the family around a burning barrel for a bit of heat?

OldMrBrennan83

Chips Lovell wrote: »

That’s not entirely correct. They’re cutting them down to allow for buses and cars. If there were just bus lanes on most of those routes there’d be no need to cut down trees.

It's Busconnects, not Carconnects. It's our monorail.

amcalester

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

What's our magical alternative to oil and gas heating (that won't cost everyone a fortune)? Gather the family around a burning barrel for a bit of heat?

I was wondering that myself, new builds to have gas and oil burners phased out by 2025; so what is the alternative?

InTheShadows

Said it at the time there was no "green wave" at the election. 8% of the vote means 92% didn't really care about green policies. Won't stop FG from taxing us all into oblivion.

whisky_galore

kneemos wrote: »

Might start by teaching youngsters not to throw crap everywhere.
Anywhere they stop there's a pile of rubbish left behind.

Plenty so called fully grown adults driving out with black bags to dump them at night.
Monkey see, monkey do.

Neon_Lights

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

The plan is 1 year in the making.

How is it reactive to an election held last month?

That's something I'd expect from a user named claptrap

is_that_so

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Looks like a little bit of reactive action considering how well the greens did in dublin metro - Typical blueshirt window-dressing

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0617/1055694-climate-plan-government/

A lot of input came out of a joint Oireachtas Committee, as in cross-party. It does fall on the current incumbents, whatever specious label people want to put on them, to get going on it.

c.p.w.g.w

amcalester wrote: »

I was wondering that myself, new builds to have gas and oil burners phased out by 2025; so what is the alternative?

Proper Insulated homes and heat pumps...actually some of these new super warm homes that are being build should include ventilation systems with help circulate air as well and heat and cool down the internal temperature but my in-laws didn't and they have serious damp issues until they installed one

is_that_so

Chips Lovell wrote: »

That’s not entirely correct. They’re cutting them down to allow for buses and cars. If there were just bus lanes on most of those routes there’d be no need to cut down trees.

So more bus lanes are a bad thing? Some roads are just far too narrow to accommodate and the tree cutting seems quite limited in its scope.

Cina

Blazer wrote: »

Some more info on it being leaked.

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/revealed-how-climate-change-action-strategy-will-affect-you-38224591.html

To be honest its a complete waste of time.
As long as the US, China, India and other developing nations all continue to heavily pollute what Ireland will actually do is about as good as pissing into a hurricane.
Nothing will be done until a catastrophic event has occurred to force nations to change.

You're looking at it wrong. Highly developed European countries like Ireland need to take initiative on climate change in order to set a precedent for these developing countries.

I'm sure right now loads of people in India are saying "well if those rich f*cks in Europe are doing nothing then why should we?"

Climate change is a global issue and every country needs to take responsibility and not do the typical "whataboutism" bullsh*t that we're seeing now.

Calhoun

As long as they are willing to fund the gap for switching I think we can start moving to were the suggestions are manageable .

They really need to revamp the grant system though as getting anything through it right now is a pain in the arse.

Otherwise what will happen is that this will start biting into people's pockets and will hit them in the polls and will be neutered.

topper75

kneemos wrote: »

Might start by teaching youngsters not to throw crap everywhere.
Anywhere they stop there's a pile of rubbish left behind.

Little country that fails to manage its own litter wants to change the global climate. Brilliant. Don't fault our ambition!

You have to trust our authorities to pass our money directly on to the climate. They'll make sure the climate gets every cent.

Sonny noggs

Cina wrote: »

You're looking at it wrong. Highly developed European countries like Ireland need to take initiative on climate change in order to set a precedent for these developing countries.

I'm sure right now loads of people in India are saying "well if those rich f*cks in Europe are doing nothing then why should we?"

Climate change is a global issue and every country needs to take responsibility and not do the typical "whataboutism" bullsh*t that we're seeing now.

India has more than 300,000 dollar millionaires and a space program. Maybe the Indians should look elsewhere.

Chips Lovell

is_that_so wrote: »

So more bus lanes are a bad thing? Some roads are just far too narrow to accommodate and the tree cutting seems quite limited in its scope.

No. What I'm saying is that by attempting to keep cars also on those routes something has to give. Just make the routes bus-only and, voila, you don't have to cut down the trees. But they won't do that, because there'll be too much moaning from motorists.

is_that_so

Chips Lovell wrote: »

No. What I'm saying is that by attempting to keep cars also on those routes something has to give. Just make the routes bus-only and, voila, you don't have to cut down the trees. But they won't do that, because there'll be too much moaning from motorists.

Quite a lot of motorists don't have the public transport to get them to workplaces. Get that fixed to a good degree and then you can target the cars.

Chips Lovell

is_that_so wrote: »

Quite a lot of motorists don't have the public transport to get them to workplaces. Get that fixed to a good degree and then you can target the cars.

But the routes that will be affected will have public transport.

ednwireland

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Proper Insulated homes and heat pumps...actually some of these new super warm homes that are being build should include ventilation systems with help circulate air as well and heat and cool down the internal temperature but my in-laws didn't and they have serious damp issues until they installed one

i know a couple of people with heat pumps retrofitted , apart from the cost of fitting their electricity bills are as high as my overall energy bills so not really seeing the benefit (and yes they did insulate the place as well).
maybe on new builds but doesnt seem to work as a retrofit (on a v small sample size admittedly)

Sonny noggs

Chips Lovell wrote: »

No. What I'm saying is that by attempting to keep cars also on those routes something has to give. Just make the routes bus-only and, voila, you don't have to cut down the trees. But they won't do that, because there'll be too much moaning from motorists.

You want to prevent the existing homeowners from driving to and from their homes?

is_that_so

Chips Lovell wrote: »

But the routes that will be affected will have public transport.

Yeah but the motorists invariably come from other places that don't have enough transport. These routes are part of their journey.

Chips Lovell

Sonny noggs wrote: »

You want to prevent the existing homeowners from driving to and from their homes?

Make it local access only, one way in, one way out

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah but the motorists invariably come from other places that don't have enough transport. These routes are part of their journey.

Then you get out of the car and get on the bus or a bike for the last leg. Or pick a different route.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Looks like a little bit of reactive action considering how well the greens did in dublin metro - Typical blueshirt window-dressing

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0617/1055694-climate-plan-government/

When you say "Bluehisrt" you're obviously refering to the 1930s, so a bit early for reactice climate change, no?

is_that_so

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Make it local access only, one way in, one way out



Then you get out of the car and get on the bus or a bike for the last leg. Or pick a different route.

In an ideal world all of these things would be possible. In Irish/Dublin urban planning not so much.

is_that_so

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

When you say "Bluehisrt" you're obviously refering to the 1930s, so a bit early for reactice climate change, no?

It's always been a kind of dumb political playground taunt and when most posters need to resort to Google it's even more useless.

mad muffin

I don’t see any mention of curtailing immigration so as not to put further stain on our environment and scarce resources?

The governments always tells us what we need to do but they never look at what they need to do. All these extra people they are bringing into Europe aren’t going to live on fresh air alone.

Calhoun

The criticism starting to come in hard and fast now, one clear thing is that not enough alternatives or mechanism to get to the next level is at play.

The general election will really be a measure of how serious people are on this, will the prospect of having to shell out for a new car, increased taxes and ban on types of boiler spook those who were championing the greens in the local election.

whisky_galore

Too many sticks, too few carrots.

Edgware

Calhoun wrote: »

The criticism starting to come in hard and fast now, one clear thing is that not enough alternatives or mechanism to get to the next level is at play.

The general election will really be a measure of how serious people are on this, will the prospect of having to shell out for a new car, increased taxes and ban on types of boiler spook those who were championing the greens in the local election.

I'm not going to make my mind up on this plan until I hear the opinions of the Independents from Kerry. They seem to have a good grasp of the matter

Thelonious Monk

Surely we need to be moving away from private car ownership? Towns and cities are just completely littered and clogged up with them.
The problem is ribbon development and one offs all over the country mean public transport is impossible to provide for most of the country. Shot ourselves in the foot there.

is_that_so

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Surely we need to be moving away from private car ownership? Towns and cities are just completely littered and clogged up with them.
The problem is ribbon development and one offs all over the country mean public transport is impossible to provide for most of the country. Shot ourselves in the foot there.

Well, we are where we are(:D). How that transport conundrum can be managed is the big challenge.

is_that_so

Calhoun wrote: »

The criticism starting to come in hard and fast now, one clear thing is that not enough alternatives or mechanism to get to the next level is at play.

The general election will really be a measure of how serious people are on this, will the prospect of having to shell out for a new car, increased taxes and ban on types of boiler spook those who were championing the greens in the local election.

All that banning stuff is a long way away and if by criticism you mean Brian Stanley and Brid Smith I'd say the Government are quaking in their boots. There are some good basic principles in it but it was never going to satisfy everybody. What's done and how it's done over that timescale will be the proof of it.

IAMAMORON

The funniest I have heard about todays plan is the out right ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. That is in less than 11 years time.

I cannot wait to see how they deliver that notion.

cj maxx

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Surely we need to be moving away from private car ownership? Towns and cities are just completely littered and clogged up with them.
The problem is ribbon development and one offs all over the country mean public transport is impossible to provide for most of the country. Shot ourselves in the foot there.

What about people 5 miles from a village which itself is 7 miles from a town. Bloody townies think it’s all about you

Thelonious Monk

cjmc wrote: »

What about people 5 miles from a village which itself is 7 miles from a town. Bloody townies think it’s all about you

Exactly, and we continue to build houses in the middle of nowhere so unfortunately Ireland will always be very car reliant.

is_that_so

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The funniest I have heard about todays plan is the out right ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. That is in less than 11 years time.

I cannot wait to see how they deliver that notion.

All of the big manufacturers are ramping up for EVs so the supply should be there. There will still be ICE cars on the road for up to a decade after but by 2040 they'll be all but gone.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Too many sticks, too few carrots.

History shows that if you use enough sticks, the carrots can serve as fine window dressing after the revolution.

Atlantic Dawn

LUAS and commuter rail are at maximum capacity, asking people to leave their cars at home doesn't make sense as capacity isn't there. I suppose the powers that be don't see over capacity when they are in their chauffeur driven car parking in their free parking space in Leinster House and claiming mileage for same, crowd of chancers.

Blueshoe

Ireland is responsible for 0.13% of global emissions.

Paddy will dig deep to save the world. Hon Paddy

(You guilible eejit)