New FCP pricing scheme of Easygo

September1

It seems they introduced new interesting pricing scheme on fast charger to avoid penalizing owners of older or colder cars. It used to be 35c per minute and now price will depend on peak charging speed:
36kW to 50kW - 35c per minute
21kW to 35kW - 25c per minute
1kW to 20kW - 17c per minute


So if your car is going to spend only few seconds on higher rate, it will cause per minute charge to be at this level, so this should prevent people from charging for long on rate much smaller than maximum.

ELM327

Hopefully it will discourage PHEV too

Not that it matters as they only have a couple of fast chargers anyway but still, good to see

kaahooters

September1 wrote: »

It seems they introduced new interesting pricing scheme on fast charger to avoid penalizing owners of older or colder cars. It used to be 35c per minute and now price will depend on peak charging speed:
36kW to 50kW - 35c per minute
21kW to 35kW - 25c per minute
1kW to 20kW - 17c per minute


So if your car is going to spend only few seconds on higher rate, it will cause per minute charge to be at this level, so this should prevent people from charging for long on rate much smaller than maximum.

isnt that more expensive then petrol?

September1

September1 wrote: »

It seems they introduced new interesting pricing scheme on fast charger to avoid penalizing owners of older or colder cars. It used to be 35c per minute and now price will depend on peak charging speed:
36kW to 50kW - 35c per minute
21kW to 35kW - 25c per minute
1kW to 20kW - 17c per minute


So if your car is going to spend only few seconds on higher rate, it will cause per minute charge to be at this level, so this should prevent people from charging for long on rate much smaller than maximum.

Sounds good. That's the first variable rate per minute scheme that I know. I normally charge my car 20-30 minutes at time and the car starts to charge at 36 kW plus so expecting to pay roughly 7-10 yoyos per charge. Not bad for up to additional 150 km of range without queuing when far away from home.

ELM327

kaahooters wrote: »

isnt that more expensive then petrol?

No

September1

ELM327 wrote: »

Hopefully it will discourage PHEV too

Not that it matters as they only have a couple of fast chargers anyway but still, good to see

I think PHEV have lower peak rate, so they will benefit from this. Previously charging was much more expensive for them.

Mupchease

kaahooters wrote: »

isnt that more expensive then petrol?

I think it is unless I’m doing the maths wrong.

My average usage this year (Jan to May) is 17.7kWh/100km. That’s a range of 181km (eGolf)
In 20 minutes the car would take 14kW so 50cent per kW. 14kWh = 79km.
79km / €7 = 11.29c per km

ELM327

September1 wrote: »

I think PHEV have lower peak rate, so they will benefit from this. Previously charging was much more expensive for them.

But to charge at 3kW and do so for 4 hours is 4 * 60 * 0.17 or €40

Mupchease wrote: »

I think it is unless I’m doing the maths wrong.

My average usage this year (Jan to May) is 17.7kWh/100km. That’s a range of 181km (eGolf)
In 20 minutes the car would take 14kW so 50cent per kW. 14kWh = 79km.
79km / €7 = 11.29c per km

Yes but what about the rest of the journey which is done at 7c/kWh from your home charger?


That's like saying coffee is too expensive because it costs €4-€6 for the odd one at starbucks but the 95% of coffee consumption you have at home costs <50c per cup/nespresso pod

Mupchease

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but what about the rest of the journey which is done at 7c/kWh from your home charger?

Point taken you are dead right when you factor in the rest I should have said it was cheaper overall regardless but that one charge would be more expensive.

ELM327

Yes, I would happily pay more than that, even €1/min, if there was a network of 150kW+ fast chargers that would be maintained with 2-4+ per site and not iced etc

More expensive means not likely to be all used.

Casher

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes, I would happily pay more than that, even €1/min, if there was a network of 150kW+ fast chargers that would be maintained with 2-4+ per site and not iced etc

More expensive means not likely to be all used.

Thats exactly what I did. Was at a meeting in Mullingar, granny charged but not there long enough to get enough to get home. Knew easygo at Kinnegad was more likely to be available so pulled in there as I had a colleague with me so didn’t want to wait around at enfield. Charge cost €3.48, took under 10mins to 80% and off home I go & get there with 20% remaining. Charge up overnight cost approx €2.60 to full. Will use easygo anytime for the convenience.

95% of my journeys are within the range of my Ioniq, happy to pay for speed & convenience for the other 5%

n97 mini

September1 wrote: »

I think PHEV have lower peak rate, so they will benefit from this. Previously charging was much more expensive for them.

According to the Fastned website the Outlander charges at 15kw, so it should benefit from the lowest rate.

ELM327

n97 mini wrote: »

According to the Fastned website the Outlander charges at 15kw, so it should benefit from the lowest rate.

Outlander starts charging at 22kW

September1

Casher wrote: »

Thats exactly what I did. Was at a meeting in Mullingar, granny charged but not there long enough to get enough to get home. Knew easygo at Kinnegad was more likely to be available so pulled in there as I had a colleague with me so didn’t want to wait around at enfield. Charge cost €3.48, took under 10mins to 80% and off home I go & get there with 20% remaining. Charge up overnight cost approx €2.60 to full. Will use easygo anytime for the convenience.

95% of my journeys are within the range of my Ioniq, happy to pay for speed & convenience for the other 5%

That is what worries me with Easygo ;-) I would do same as you on assumption that paid charger would be free and then queue would be at easy go charger. However there is rumor of them putting a second one in kinnegad so this should help a lot.

jusmeig

kaahooters wrote: »

isnt that more expensive then petrol?

Nah, even on the higher rate for my whole battery it's still way cheaper

kanuseeme

ELM327 wrote: »

Hopefully it will discourage PHEV too

Not that it matters as they only have a couple of fast chargers anyway but still, good to see

For me it would depend on where I was driving, for example motorway driving a 20 minute charge would cost me 3.40 euro and petrol would be cheaper. but if i was in a urban area, then I would imagine I could get maximum value for that 3.40 euro.

My outlander charges at 17 kwh.

kanuseeme

kanuseeme wrote: »

For me it would depend on where I was driving, for example motorway driving a 20 minute charge would cost me 3.40 euro and petrol would be cheaper. but if i was in a urban area, then I would imagine I could get maximum value for that 3.40 euro.

My outlander charges at 17 kwh.

Even better value would be to charge at free or cheaper slow chargers whenever the car was parked anyway. The same as with any BEV drivers. But in case the PHEV at least you have an alternative to just continue on pertrol and if it costs an extra Euro to get home 20 minutes early I know which solution I would choose.

ELM327

kanuseeme wrote: »

For me it would depend on where I was driving, for example motorway driving a 20 minute charge would cost me 3.40 euro and petrol would be cheaper. but if i was in a urban area, then I would imagine I could get maximum value for that 3.40 euro.

My outlander charges at 17 kwh.

It cannot charge at 17 kwh. That is not a unit of charging speed.


Outlander charges at ~22kW

From :https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/mitsubishi-outlander-phev-charging-guide/


"DC charging from a rapid unit is available, though at a limit of 22 kW, rather than the charge point’s usual 50 kW DC maximum."

DrPhilG

Main benefit is that the peak rate determines the whole charge.

So whether its a PHEV or a BEV, sitting for hours would cost a bomb.

There's a Zoe driver in Derry who plugs into the fast AC option of the rapid charger and leaves for 3-4 hours. Under this charging option a 3 hour stint would cost him €27, or about £24!

DrPhilG

DrPhilG wrote: »

Main benefit is that the peak rate determines the whole charge.

So whether its a PHEV or a BEV, sitting for hours would cost a bomb.

There's a Zoe driver in Derry who plugs into the fast AC option of the rapid charger and leaves for 3-4 hours. Under this charging option a 3 hour stint would cost him €27, or about £24!

Exactly. If the charger just cost per unit charge the Zoe in question could continue arrive say at 95 % SOC and then use the charger as an essentially a free parking space even after the charging for charging was introduced.

n97 mini

ELM327 wrote: »

It cannot charge at 17 kwh. That is not a unit of charging speed.


Outlander charges at ~22kW

22 is theoretical max.

There is no such thing as a unit if charging. The charging system decides what to pull, and that's almost infinitely variable.

ELM327

n97 mini wrote: »

22 is theoretical max.

There is no such thing as a unit if charging. The charging system decides what to pull, and that's almost infinitely variable.

Yes, the unit of charging power (or power in general) is kW - which is an S.I. recognised unit.
kwh is not a unit. kWh is a derivative of kW (and refers to stored energy, not charging power)

n97 mini

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes, the unit of charging power (or power in general) is kW - which is an S.I. recognised unit.
kwh is not a unit. kWh is a derivative of kW (and refers to stored energy, not charging power)

Splitting hairs here. Kwh vs kw. When he said 17 we all knew what he meant.

ELM327

Yes and it was incorrect regardless of unit. 22kW is the notional max when you multiply amps and volts but I've seen Outlanders charging at 20-21kW on the chademo in Navan while I waiting for the CCS.

kanuseeme

n97 mini wrote: »

Splitting hairs here. Kwh vs kw. When he said 17 we all knew what he meant.

Your incorrect, first of all I want to be female lesbian disabled member of the travelling community, so that I will almost certainly have a sign put up a charger, so I don't get annoyed with people using a service and have to monitor their charging speed, while waiting.

Secondly I believe the correct way to write Kwh (sic) is The kilowatt hour (symbolized kW⋅h as per SI) is a composite unit of energy equivalent to one kilowatt (1 kW) of power sustained for one hour. One watt is equal to 1 J/s. One kilowatt hour is 3.6 megajoules, which is the amount of energy converted if work is done at an average rate of one thousand watts for one hour.

I know its hard to be perfect, but I really think things are improving for my subgroup and I try to learn something new each day so from now on its kW⋅h not Kwh, thank you for understanding and there is no need to apologize.:D

ELM327

If you're going to speak about something you may as well use the correct units.
And it's not kW.h it's kWh. Kilowatt hours.

This is particularly relevant to the easygo thread, because their own advertisement uses the incorrect units. (Not that I'd expect anything different from Chris - formerly of carcharger.ie)

Gumbo

Symbol and abbreviations for kilowatt hour[edit]

The symbol "kWh" is commonly used in commercial, educational, scientific and media publications,[6][7] and is the usual practice in electrical power engineering.[8]

Other abbreviations and symbols may be encountered:

"kW h" is less commonly used. It is consistent with SI standards.[9] The international standard for SI[3] states that in forming a compound unit symbol, "Multiplication must be indicated by a space or a half-high (centered) dot (⋅), since otherwise some prefixes could be misinterpreted as a unit symbol" (i.e., kW h or kW⋅h).

This is supported by a voluntary standard[10] issued jointly by an international (IEEE) and national (ASTM) organization. However, at least one major usage guide[11] and the IEEE/ASTM standard allow "kWh" (but do not mention other multiples of the watt hour). One guide published by NIST specifically recommends avoiding "kWh" "to avoid possible confusion".[12]

"kW⋅h" is, like "kW h", preferred by SI standards, but it is very rarely used in practice.

The US official fuel-economy window sticker for electric vehicles uses the abbreviation "kW-hrs".[13]
Variations in capitalization are sometimes seen: KWh, KWH, kwh, etc.; these are inconsistent with International System of Units.
The notation "kW/h" is not a correct symbol for kilowatt hour, as it denotes kilowatt per hour instead.

I think I will just continue using kWh.

n97 mini

kceire wrote: »

I think I will just continue using kWh.

I don't think we really need to be too pedantic in a forum when batteries can be 24kw and cars can charge up to 45kw on FCPs.

I find people's abuse of apostrophe's and there inability to distinguish between their and there far more annoying

kanuseeme

Anyway, I done some calculations, using honestjohn average for the outlander, 23 km per litre, 3.40 euro will give me 54 kms with petrol. A 20 minute charge would give me around 32km but I imagine I would get a little more with urban driving.

Now if I was obsessed about the environment or people inhaling my exhaust fumes, I might not mind paying 3.40 euro, I imagine there is people like that just the same as some who care about apostrophe's or other crazy quirks.

To assume that phev's are a reason for your annoyance or charging for a charge will get rid of them is a complete waste of time.

€86.8m spent on carbon credits, according to the chairperson of the Public Accounts Committee.
Seán Fleming said it was "horrific" that €86.8m of Irish taxpayers' money had been spent purchasing carbon credits from other countries and labelled it "gross hypocrisy".
It has also emerged that Ireland could have to pay €60m to "buy our way out of pretending" we are meeting renewable energy targets.
Additionally, the Department of the Environment estimates that Irish taxpayers face paying between €6m and €13m to buy more unused carbon credits so Ireland can meet its EU 2020 climate targets

Fuel prices will go up, tax will be applied anywhere the gov will think they can get away with it, with the result people will switch to electric.

Then it will be slow charging leaf's or anything that is in front of you giving you grief.

unkel

kanuseeme wrote: »

Seán Fleming said it was "horrific" that €86.8m of Irish taxpayers' money had been spent purchasing carbon credits from other countries and labelled it "gross hypocrisy".
It has also emerged that Ireland could have to pay €60m to "buy our way out of pretending" we are meeting renewable energy targets.

He is spot on. Shocking use of tax payers money. Might as well spend billions building a hospital or giving a few farmers fast internet so they can look up how quick bodies decompose

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

He is spot on. Shocking use of tax payers money. Might as well spend billions building a hospital or giving a few farmers fast internet so they can look up how quick bodies decompose

Lol at the last bit! Ironically I'm switching broadband providers and I've no fibre available to me as I'm "up in Dublin" where we allegedly have everything, but my taxes will be funding fibre for every big one off remote house in poor neglected rural Ireland.

Speaking of fines, our agriculture emissions are projected to grow from 34% to 38% (assuming all other emissions are constant) over the next 10 years. That's the elephant in the room.

Anecdotally, I was speaking to a farmer friend earlier. He's reducing his beef herd and planting barley. A few weeks ago Teagasc told him he'd planted *too much* barley, so he had to plough up 2 acres and plant grass instead. Weather is too wet for silage so the grass will do nothing. Only in Ireland.

kanuseeme

I see in the news about 2 oil tankers in the gulf of Oman attacked, it could well be out of the governments hands on what they can waste tax payers money on next.

No oil, no economy, I would be very envious of you with solar panels and a BEV then, the sooner we switch to an oil free economy the better, we could buy credits for the farmers, I am sure certain industries will need oil but one problem at a time.

zg3409

A (current) Zoe cannot charge on an easygo fast DC charger (CCS and ChaDeMo only)

There is also an additional fee to start a charge PAYG Connection fee: €1.50 /24 cent for bill pay.

The old billing prices were 35 cent / minute only, so this change adds additional lower priced tiers.

Kinnegad is due to get a second fast DC charger, Monaghan has only one easygo DC charger with an ESB ecars fast charger a few hundred metres away.

The fee applies from plug in to plug out, so that is an (up to) 21 euro an hour overstay fee. I can predict people running out to unplug their car, only to leave it parked blocking charger and return to finish their lunch! I know the CCS plug in Monaghan is very short for Ioniq meaning it is accessible from only one charging space.

September1

They reduced top rate from 35c to 25c per minute.

Here is a screenshot of app during charging session.

September1

Price is now at 10c per minute regardless of charging speed.

k123456

September1 wrote: »

Price is now at 10c per minute regardless of charging speed.

link please

September1

k123456 wrote: »

link please

https://www.facebook.com/EasyGo.ie/posts/473805243383660:0

jusmeig

kaahooters wrote: »

isnt that more expensive then petrol?

Nah, not even close. To fill the biggest battery available would be less than 30 quid. How much is a full tank of dinosaur juice?

unkel

A typical EV charges at 50kW at these chargers. Let's say you are in Ioniq and you charge from 20% to 80%. This takes 20 minutes, so costs €2

With the 17kWh taken on board, Ioniq can do about 130km, so costs are 1.5c/km

A petrol car averaging 50MPG would use 7.3l of petrol to cover 130km, at 140c/l this costs €10.28, or 8c/km
A diesel car averaging 60MPG would use 6.1l of diesel to cover 130km, at 130c/l this costs €7.95, or 6c/km

But of course the vast majority of EV charging is done at home at the night rate. 17kWh would then cost €1.36 or just 1c/km

fricatus

Am I doing something wrong? I’m trying to see the Easygo locations by visiting their website and clicking on the map link. This brings me to https://mycarcharger.etrel.com/#/portal/locations

When the map opens, it's centred on Maynooth and shows all chargers, not just the Easygo ones. Zooming out, I don’t seem to be able to see chargers outside of Dublin/Kildare/Meath.

Is there a way just to see all the Easygo locations in the country?

September1

fricatus wrote: »

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Is there a way just to see all the Easygo locations in the country?

I think not and on their map many locations are existing ESB network as there seems to be no possibility to filter only easy go charging places.

_dof_

strange map alright. It doesn't seem to load the chargers outside of the zommed in location.
If you type in the name of the town in the search box it will show all the chargers in that area, ecars and easygo

_dof_

September1 wrote: »

Price is now at 10c per minute regardless of charging speed.

Interesting development and a very good price, and they state that it's for the forseeable future, so it's not just some special offer.

That will put some pricing pressure on Ionity and ecars (when they decide to start charging for FCPs).

I assume they weren't getting much business at the original pricing, mind you it's hard to compete on price when the main competition are giving free charges.

JohnC.

Typing easygo into google maps seems to work better

September1

_dof_ wrote: »

That will put some pricing pressure on Ionity and ecars (when they decide to start charging for FCPs).

They do have smaller network with only two places capable of fast charging and only one more planned AFAIK.

_dof_ wrote: »

I assume they weren't getting much business at the original pricing, mind you it's hard to compete on price when the main competition are giving free charges.

I think there are also plenty of EV drivers that do not know about them and they lack roaming agreements so no easy access for visitors.

zg3409

If you have an android phone, and download the easygo app, and then filter to a minimum power of 43kw you can see they only have 3 fast chargers deployed, 1 in Monaghan and two co-located in kinnegad. I gave feedback on the app that I could not filter by easygo only chargers and they said they might add this to future updates. I believe most/all are shown on plugshare app, plus ionity network, and some of easygo chargers are at companies behind barriers and not accessible to public.

Black_Knight

_dof_ wrote: »

I assume they weren't getting much business at the original pricing, mind you it's hard to compete on price when the main competition are giving free charges.

Exactly this. Why pay when there's free ones available?
Once ESB start charging, easygo will likely be the cheapest, and they'll be the ones with queues.

On another note, is plug share the best app to view all chargers in the country? I'm a big fan of zap map, but easygo are not shown on it.

zg3409

Black_Knight wrote: »

_dof_ wrote: »

is plug share the best app to view all chargers in the country? I'm a big fan of zap map, but easygo are not shown on it.

Plugshare is best I have found for Ireland. Anyone can easily add a charger which easygo have been doing for even employee only chargers. Zapmap allows users to suggest chargers to add, which are then vetted, so they don't appear immediately, but they seem to have issues/delays as ionity Gorey is still not marked, but was submitted a while ago. If they cannot update it they will lag behind plugshare

kanuseeme

Black_Knight wrote: »

Exactly this. Why pay when there's free ones available?
Once ESB start charging, easygo will likely be the cheapest, and they'll be the ones with queues.

On another note, is plug share the best app to view all chargers in the country? I'm a big fan of zap map, but easygo are not shown on it.

3 chargers, will be the most I think you will see from them, how can they continue charging 10 cent a minute

using Unkel's example , A typical EV charges at 50kW at these chargers. Let's say you are in Ioniq and you charge from 20% to 80%. This takes 20 minutes so costs €2 for 17kWh

With no break in use, it will earn 6 euro an hour,

Unkel's night rate @ 17kWh would then cost €1.36, which is the cheapest you can buy electricity at, unless they can buy it cheaper, the charger will cost 4.08 euro an hour, a profit of nearly 2 euro an hour

Not including cost of the charger or servicing.

Cannot see them lasting long,

Black_Knight

zg3409 wrote: »

Plugshare is best I have found for Ireland. Anyone can easily add a charger which easygo have been doing for even employee only chargers. Zapmap allows users to suggest chargers to add, which are then vetted, so they don't appear immediately, but they seem to have issues/delays as ionity Gorey is still not marked, but was submitted a while ago. If they cannot update it they will lag behind plugshare

If only plug share offered the same live status as zap map. Far too many apps needed to find available chargers. I've 7 so far. Granted I only use probably 2 of them, though I might start using plug share more now

zg3409

Easygo have announced the 2 fast chargers at kinnegad are FREE to charge from now on until esb introduce pay to charge. Watch the queues grow....Is this a step forward?