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Social Housing Areas - Dublin Councils

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    #182
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,376 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    Wonder could we have a situation like in London, where councils like Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pay other councils to house people on their social housing list? Could end up cheaper and more feasible. Any chance of that happening?

    Why do a certain people want to believe its some sort of conspiracy theory instead of the fact that there is more undeveloped land in some areas rather that others, I know an area not going to say where, anyway someon on here nearly has apoplexy saying there was no traveler accommodation in the area something I know be wrong.

    Why do they want to believe these sort things.


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    #183
    Cal4567
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    The Dundrum purchase by the Council shows the idiocy of where we now are, having to enter into 25 year lease deals to develop social housing. In 25 years the properties revert back to the freehold owner. Tenants would need to be then put somewhere else.

    Or after creaming it for so many years, the Council buys the block at the then market value. The Fund makes a double killing.


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    #184
    Caquas
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    The Council originally wanted to buy this development outright but the Government wouldn’t give them the money (quite rightly!). So now the Council can ignore the Government by using current expenditure although the Council is committing itself for the next 25 years.

    And what choice do the voters of DLR have? This will be a done deal before the next local elections and future social housing spending will be curtailed for the next 25 years in order to accommodate a lucky few.


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    #185
    is_that_so
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    Caquas wrote: »
    The Council originally wanted to buy this development outright but the Government wouldn’t give them the money (quite rightly!). So now the Council can ignore the Government by using current expenditure although the Council is committing itself for the next 25 years.

    And what choice do the voters of DLR have? This will be a done deal before the next local elections and future social housing spending will be curtailed for the next 25 years in order to accommodate a lucky few.
    Oh, there is money there, lots of it, just not for expensive blocks of apartments and certainly not for councils to waste on other things. The irony is, that council rules are partly what drives the prices of these things anyway! As for this decision, it's not at all ideal but it does give them an immediate albeit small stock to house people with. Those outraged by this would be just as outraged at council failure to produce 65 dwellings of their own almost instantly.


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    #186
    Cal4567
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    The Dept of Housing cost guidelines do not allow these to be bought outright. That's a common issue across high value areas, city centre, large nice parts of south County Dublin.

    There is a clear solution and it has been there well before the Rebuilding Ireland funding was introduced more than 3 years ago. The State, in its various entities, owns 1000s and 1000s of acreas across the country, including in this local authority area.

    This government has been slow to progress that. They only launched the Land Development Agency in September 2018, and it still is not properly constituted. I'd be asking why that wasn't brought in when the programme was launched itself in 2016, although even the Rebuilding Ireland initiative was late coming to the party.

    That's clear that this government didn't really take social housing seriously and the increasing affordability issues that come on were effecting just about every other Capital city finally hit our shores. Why oh why are we just hopeless at foresight and planning.

    Yes, government just thought the private sector would meet the need, and bail them out of the problem. Surely will come back to haunt them come election time.


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    #187
    Caquas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Cal4567 wrote: »
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    Yes, government just thought the private sector would meet the need, and bail them out of the problem. Surely will come back to haunt them come election time.

    It was always risky to expect the private sector to provide social housing but after a world -beating construction crash, it beggars belief that this remains the de facto policy. I think it’s simply that local authorities have lost the capacity and the will to construct housing, which used to be a core function.


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    #188
    sozbox
    Registered Users Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭sozbox


    Social housing location can be found here
    https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/minister-murphy-publishes-social-housing-construction-status-report-for-q2-2019-2/


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    #189
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Caquas wrote: »
    It was always risky to expect the private sector to provide social housing but after a world -beating construction crash, it beggars belief that this remains the de facto policy. I think it’s simply that local authorities have lost the capacity and the will to construct housing, which used to be a core function.

    How much capacity do you need to contract the work out to builders etc.

    I mean it's not like Owen Keegan* needs to literally build the homes himself.

    *Dublin City Council big chief


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