To buy diesel or electric

DulchieLaois

Good evening,

I have a 3 year old Hyundai which I am thinking of upgrading it for a newer Hyundai.

However, I have been swayed by the idea of new EC Nissan Leaf yet I have no idea about it all and would appreciate any help.

I am moving back to the country from Dublin soon, so will be doing 150-200k a day traveling.

biko

200 kilometres is feasible in an electric car.
Can you charge at home and work?
Have you looked at reviews on youtube?

Mickeroo

What's your budget?

DulchieLaois

Mickeroo wrote: »

What's your budget?

15k to spend along with a trade in so 25k or thereabouts

DulchieLaois

biko wrote: »

200 kilometres is feasible in an electric car.
Can you charge at home and work?
Have you looked at reviews on youtube?

No review on YouTube and charge is possibly at work , home , not yet

n97 mini

DulchieLaois wrote: »

No review on YouTube and charge is possibly at work , home , not yet

As long as you have a granny cable you have home charging. Not ideal, but it works.

Since you have a Hyundai already, you could possibly trade in for an Ioniq. Great car, and you won't get as good a trade in at a Nissan dealer.

unkel

Some people got a brand new Ioniq on the road on 191 plates for €26k. But that was using a scrappage scheme, so not trading in a car that has any value. Ioniq can do a 150km motorway trip any day of the year, even in bad circumstances. It might or might not do your 200km daily driving without charging in winter. Depends on the route and on how efficiently you drive.

There sure is no other EV out there anywhere near your budget that can do anything close to what you require

fricatus

Bear in mind that electricity is a lot cheaper than diesel, so you could up your budget on the car purchase while keeping your overall cost of motoring the same as before. Diesel used to cost me €1,800 a year I think, whereas now I pay €400 for electricity (identical mileage). Also my road tax fell from €994 to €120. I spend the same as before on motoring, but now the €2,200 saved per year on fuel goes to pay for the newer car.

ELM327

Do NOT buy an Ioniq if you need to rely on 200km range. I did, and it doesn't do it outside of sunny dry days.
Same for the leaf, it won't do 200km unless you are prepared to stay off the motorway.

You'll need to increase the budget and get a Kona EV, Niro EV or E-Soul, or increase a bit more and get a tesla model 3.

Nothing else currently meets the demand (unless you're prepared to pay a ridiculous 24k+ for a Zoe)

DulchieLaois

DulchieLaois wrote: »

Good evening,

I have a 3 year old Hyundai which I am thinking of upgrading it for a newer Hyundai.

However, I have been swayed by the idea of new EC Nissan Leaf yet I have no idea about it all and would appreciate any help.

I am moving back to the country from Dublin soon, so will be doing 150-200k a day traveling.

If you don't want to restrict your speed then a 40 Kwh Leaf will do 200 Kms no problem, if you want to do it with speed then you need to wait for the 60 Kwh Leaf available to order now, this will do 200 Km no problem without restricting speed.

Or wait for 64 Kwh Kona to become available 2nd hand.

So yes 200 Km is do-a-ble with restrictions especially in Winter and you do not want to rely on Public charging.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

If you don't want to restrict your speed then a 40 Kwh Leaf will do 200 Kms no problem

That's simply not true. At motorway speed (120km/h GPS speed) the L40 will never do 200km, not even on a perfect day in summer.

Shefwedfan

Buy a diesel....

Unless you can buy a new Kona/eNiro which are 40k it is not worth your while

Electric at the moment will be too problematic and you will end up with so much stress from trying to charge it....

Unless that 200km a day is 120km in city centre and 80km motorway.....

...Ghost...

Assuming your 200klm is round trip, then the Ioniq or Leaf 40 will do perfectly fine (as long as you can charge at your destination). If you have no work charging...up the budget, or look at a used i3 rx.

Shefwedfan

...Ghost... wrote: »

Assuming your 200klm is round trip, then the Ioniq or Leaf 40 will do perfectly fine (as long as you can charge at your destination). If you have no work charging...up the budget, or look at a used i3 rx.

What happens if charger at work is broken?


If all motorway not sure what benefit the REX will be? you will end up buying a lot of petrol....


Simple answer for people doing high daily mileage is a diesel is still the best option.


Buy yourself a nice A6, it is perfect for long distance driving....

...Ghost...

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What happens if charger at work is broken?


If all motorway not sure what benefit the REX will be? you will end up buying a lot of petrol....


Simple answer for people doing high daily mileage is a diesel is still the best option.


Buy yourself a nice A6, it is perfect for long distance driving....

IF charger at work is broken, there might be an alternative charge point locally, or a domestic socket could be used.

The rex would come in handy if the charger at work is broken and there is no alternative method of charging the battery. Isn't there a member on here who does a lot of motorway miles in a rex who swears by it?

Why buy a diesel if you can do most, if not all of your driving on battery power? The occasional top-up of petrol is surely better than another diesel belching on the road. The OPs mileage is not high enough that only a diesel or a tesla will do.

Shefwedfan

...Ghost... wrote: »

IF charger at work is broken, there might be an alternative charge point locally, or a domestic socket could be used.

The rex would come in handy if the charger at work is broken and there is no alternative method of charging the battery. Isn't there a member on here who does a lot of motorway miles in a rex who swears by it?

Why buy a diesel if you can do most, if not all of your driving on battery power? The occasional top-up of petrol is surely better than another diesel belching on the road. The OPs mileage is not high enough that only a diesel or a tesla will do.

The OP is doing enough mileage to warrant a diesel. You try finishing 8 hours or more at work to come out to a broken charger, then hunt around to find one and hope it isn't broken or blocked.



Why give people advice to move to electric when it doesn't suit them? they will only have a bad experience and say it to other people. There is how many diesel cars on the road? majority are doing little km per day, they are the target, not the 1% who are doing the mileage for a diesel....

PaulRyan97

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The OP is doing enough mileage to warrant a diesel. You try finishing 8 hours or more at work to come out to a broken charger, then hunt around to find one and hope it isn't broken or blocked.



Why give people advice to move to electric when it doesn't suit them? they will only have a bad experience and say it to other people. There is how many diesel cars on the road? majority are doing little km per day, they are the target, not the 1% who are doing the mileage for a diesel....

I'd somewhat agree with this. OP does enough mileage that he would actually be a valid candidate for a diesel. However if they are looking down the EV route then their commute might be possible with an Ioniq or Leaf depending on the charging situation. A hybrid might be another option. You could definitely pick up an Ioniq hybrid for under 20k, should be able to get you 60mpg+ even on the motorway.

_Brian

Suggestions that OP buy electric because on paper with a tail wind both ways it might make the journey is silly talk.

We need the right cars for the right people, yes it would be great if op could buy electric but going by numbers above there is no viable affordable option.

Buy a diese or hybrid op with the view of looking to electric next time.

It really turns me off the whole electric conversation when people try and make electric for every road user, sadly at the moment that’s just not the case. Maybe in 5 years the landscape will look different but not at present.

People with short journeys need to be looking to electric, but long distance commuters with little or no guarantees of access to work chargers don’t really have viable options at present.
As usual someone above suggested a Tesla, really, what’s that €40-50k, hardly a motor in the affordability of most commuters.

Shefwedfan

_Brian wrote: »

As usual someone above suggested a Tesla, really, what’s that €40-50k, hardly a motor in the affordability of most commuters.

Start at 50k :eek: that the "affordable" model

unkel

unkel wrote: »

That's simply not true. At motorway speed (120km/h GPS speed) the L40 will never do 200km, not even on a perfect day in summer.

Notice I said " if you don't want to restrict your speed " !

GreeBo

unkel wrote: »

Some people got a brand new Ioniq on the road on 191 plates for €26k. But that was using a scrappage scheme, so not trading in a car that has any value. Ioniq can do a 150km motorway trip any day of the year, even in bad circumstances. It might or might not do your 200km daily driving without charging in winter. Depends on the route and on how efficiently you drive.

There sure is no other EV out there anywhere near your budget that can do anything close to what you require

We traded in a 12 D golf and got 11K for it, I think we paid €22K or €23K for a 191 (about a week shy of being 192 mind you) Ioniq.

OP the it will really depend on if the 200KM is Motorway or not.

If I was at that distance I would look at the Kona, a bit more expensive at 38K vs 28K but it will do 200KM easy (425KM advertised)

The only reason we went Ioniq was we needed the bigger boot and rear for a babyseat.

GreeBo

_Brian wrote: »

Suggestions that OP buy electric because on paper with a tail wind both ways it might make the journey is silly talk.

We need the right cars for the right people, yes it would be great if op could buy electric but going by numbers above there is no viable affordable option.

Buy a diese or hybrid op with the view of looking to electric next time.

It really turns me off the whole electric conversation when people try and make electric for every road user, sadly at the moment that’s just not the case. Maybe in 5 years the landscape will look different but not at present.

People with short journeys need to be looking to electric, but long distance commuters with little or no guarantees of access to work chargers don’t really have viable options at present.
As usual someone above suggested a Tesla, really, what’s that €40-50k, hardly a motor in the affordability of most commuters.

Kona or Nero would suit the OPs distance with charging at home..I disagree that it doesnt yet suit the long distance commuter.

GreeBo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Buy yourself a nice A6, it is perfect for long distance driving....

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Start at 50k :eek: that the "affordable" model

www.audi.ie wrote:

The new Audi A6 from €51,360.

Hmm.;)

Patser

Why choose?

Get a diesel electric hybrid?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-ds5-hybrid-2013/21901117

I had one for 2 years, spectacular interior, cool exterior, head turner and a car to show off in, loads of power and cheap to tax, all glass 3 section roof,

Also heavy to drive, not all that fuel efficient (not bad, but about same as normal diesel), slightly cramped rear seats, limited boot space by battery.

Scottie99

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Buy a diesel....

Unless you can buy a new Kona/eNiro which are 40k it is not worth your while

Electric at the moment will be too problematic and you will end up with so much stress from trying to charge it....

Unless that 200km a day is 120km in city centre and 80km motorway.....

Agreed. As an a EV owner of 7 years, it’s not worth the hassle. Wind, rain, winter, speed, blocked/broken charges and road closures.
Stick with a diesel for the moment.

GreeBo

Scottie99 wrote: »

Agreed. As an a EV owner of 7 years, it’s not worth the hassle. Wind, rain, winter, speed, blocked/broken charges and road closures.
Stick with a diesel for the moment.

Wind?
Rain?
Road closures?

Shefwedfan

GreeBo wrote: »

Hmm.;)

Sorry but what are you talking about?


The OP has 25k to spend. They can get a newish A6 for 25k with low milage


They will not be able to buy an electric for the same money.

Shefwedfan

GreeBo wrote: »

Wind?
Rain?
Road closures?

I hate when people compare electric car owners to vegans!!! now I am starting to see a bit of a comparison :p:p:p:p


I have electric car 3 years now, give or take. For a certain percentage of the drivers in Ireland it does not suit yet, simple as that.



Especially someone with 4k and looking to buy a diesel I seen you got that thread shut down.....dont get this one shut down as well

Patser

I agree Sheff, I love my electric car too but I've a set commute thats well in range and wife has an ICE if needed.

Electric is not yet the answer to everything and 200km daily to me suggests high mileage and diesel being the best option currently.

In another 5 years maybe longer range electrics will be available second hand for 10kish, but fir now reality bites in.

unkel

200km commute is over 50k km per year in total. That's roughly €4k saved per year in fuel and maintenance compared with a diesel. That pays for a lot of depreciation (so could possibly justify 64kWh Kona or eNiro or even Tesla Model 3)

...Ghost...

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The OP is doing enough mileage to warrant a diesel. You try finishing 8 hours or more at work to come out to a broken charger, then hunt around to find one and hope it isn't broken or blocked.

Why give people advice to move to electric when it doesn't suit them? they will only have a bad experience and say it to other people. There is how many diesel cars on the road? majority are doing little km per day, they are the target, not the 1% who are doing the mileage for a diesel....

From what little information we have from the OP, he is also doing low enough daily mileage that a rex would do. If you look at my other posts, you will see i'm not a fan half measures, but in this case I see the rex as a good alternative if there is a range concern.

I also haven't advised the OP at all. I gave my view on what I think would work...again, based on what little information was given. One might assume the OP lives in Laois and works in Dublin where there are a number of charge points dotted around. In a few months, the free public charging will be gone and this will free up chargers and see broken ones fixed quickly (we hope).

_Brian wrote: »

As usual someone above suggested a Tesla, really, what’s that €40-50k, hardly a motor in the affordability of most commuters.

Who recommended a Tesla? I missed that one.

pwurple

200km round trip daily woukd easily work if there was a charger at both ends of that commute, for the just in case scenario where one end of the commute is out of action.

I am in my 5th year of driving EVs. My workplace has over 20 charging spots, and we have charger and outdoor socket at home, so both cars can charge at home. This is the ideal set up... I don't even think about range, it all works away.

I am as pro- EV as they come, and even I wouldn't undertake that distance without the facilities in place. You'll break your heart with having to mind the range constantly otherwise.

Talk to work, if they have an outdoor socket even, you're in business. The home charger is usually straightforward.

I3 94 Ah Rex would be absolutely no problem , I agree but in this case you'd be talking about 50-60 Kms on petrol , but still a lot cheaper than diesel.

+ rex would mean OP wouldn't have to restrict his speed nor would he end up queuing at chargers, charge if it's free and move on if not. Yes it is very convenient.

A Leaf 40 Kwh would probably do this at 100-110 Km/h all year around but the OP should get a day or two test drive to establish this himself, preferably in Winter.

Then take the i3 rex and see how much petrol he'd need.

Work charging is good, however, unless there is a Fast charger or two on his commute there's be no point depending on the work charger, all it takes is spiteful coworkers to complain he's getting something for free and cause a problem if others chime in or more people get ev and leave their cars there all day and he can't get to charge, they of course being the ones who live 5 km down the road......

Work charge points can also fail so you'd better have a backup plan if all ev, again , the Rex eliminates this and there's nothing more pleasurable than a broken work charger and firing up the Rex on the way home after a 12 hr shift. I'm just lucky there's enough charge points that if one or two are down it shouldn't be a problem, but the same inconsiderate people stay connected to the charger all day long and won't move, luckily on shift I can usually get to charge no problem but for the regular day staff it will soon be a nightmare.

Don't depend on work charging unless you have a few of them and a few fast chargers on the way home. A 40 Kwh Leaf might only need 10 mins to get you home but still, if that charger is broken or there are 2 40 Kwh Leaf drivers waiting your 10 mins can turn into a 1.5 hr wait or more.....

Lantus

For that money and mileage the op could get a cracking well spec'd diesel saloon and drive in comfort and style each and every day. 200km might be the daily commute but what about longer trips?

My daily commute is 100km round but we do camping trips around the country and the octavia big boot could be bigger!!! On paper I could go electric but in reality I need a 700km electric octavia to replace.

Mrs lantus has a 5km commute so anything will do. No money will be saved by electric, if we did get it its for fun, town driving and local shopping.

The criteria for electric should never solely be a daily commute distance, you need 6 to 8 other questions to be honestly answered to know if it's feasible at all.

Lantus

Lantus wrote: »

For that money and mileage the op could get a cracking well spec'd diesel saloon and drive in comfort and style each and every day. 200km might be the daily commute but what about longer trips?

My daily commute is 100km round but we do camping trips around the country and the octavia big boot could be bigger!!! On paper I could go electric but in reality I need a 700km electric octavia to replace.

Mrs lantus has a 5km commute so anything will do. No money will be saved by electric, if we did get it its for fun, town driving and local shopping.

The criteria for electric should never solely be a daily commute distance, you need 6 to 8 other questions to be honestly answered to know if it's feasible at all.

In reality how many times a year do you need 700 km all in one go without stopping ?

If you had a 400 Km EV and could charge to 80% in 20 mins this would give you as much range, provided the network is good enough. That's not too far away.

I guess I'm fortunate enough to have 150-200 Km EV range and Generator when I need more the few times a year but still very handy.

We have the Outlander then for more space, a lot more than the Octavia

We took the Outlander to the U.K last year and will do the same again this year. Wouldn't work with the small boot in the i3 or any other hatchback.

They need to make larger electric cars, crossovers etc.

Idbatterim

Do you go through any tolls ? With the electric reduction , it might help a bit With your mileage ...

Depreciation will be steep enough for you though with that mileage. Tco would probably be fair but cheaper with a 6-8k diesel ...

Shefwedfan

Lantus wrote: »

For that money and mileage the op could get a cracking well spec'd diesel saloon and drive in comfort and style each and every day. 200km might be the daily commute but what about longer trips?

My daily commute is 100km round but we do camping trips around the country and the octavia big boot could be bigger!!! On paper I could go electric but in reality I need a 700km electric octavia to replace.

Mrs lantus has a 5km commute so anything will do. No money will be saved by electric, if we did get it its for fun, town driving and local shopping.

The criteria for electric should never solely be a daily commute distance, you need 6 to 8 other questions to be honestly answered to know if it's feasible at all.

Ok Ireland has two types of drivers in reality. The low daily commuter which electric suits and then the high daily commute which is doesn't

Electric suits you based on your requirement. Saying the odd time you need 700km is not really an arguement against electric anymore. Large investment is been made in the network and with the introduction of cost to charge it will remove all the spongers off the network. Hence weekend trips will be easy to manage to use the public system. Even if paying 8 euro a fill it will still work out a lot cheaper than a diesel for that journey and a hell of a lot cheaper over the lifetime of the car


It baffles me that people restrict options based on a single or odd long distance trip. Also people seems to be completely unaware how small Ireland is. To do a 700km roundtrip in Ireland you are talking of driving from Belfast to Cork and back, do you really do that? without stopping?



The criteria for electric should be what is the majority of driving you do, simple as that. If you do 20k km per year and 2k of that is long distance why would you buy a car for 20% of the trips you take???? why not buy a car that suits 80% of your driving?

I wouldn't exactly call my commute small at 142 kms and I can do that with no charging in the i3 33 Kwh all year around except if I really hammer it but normally for normal driving I won't need to charge it.

The 44 Kwh would do that no bother at all.

40 Kwh Leaf would at least do 170-190 Kms

60 kwh Kona 400 odd

60 Kwh Leaf probably the same.

The key is being able to recharge when you need and at high power 45-50 Kw just doesn't cut it any more and the next car I get will definitely have faster than 50 - 70 Kw even if I have to wait a few years more.

I could easily live with a 40 Kwh car and 100+ kw charging but also need to be able to charge when and where I want/need.

Of course a 60 Kwh would give more independence and you'd be able to dump more cheap night rate ( or free work ) Kwh in the battery.

September1

If you are OK to import from UK then 40kWh LEAF should be in budget and should be able to do up to 200km in single charge.

Depending on the driving style I'd expect up to 230 maybe more kms, from 40 kwh leaf.

I can get up to 230 km in my 33 Kwh i3 but not at 100+ Kph and in warmer weather.

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok Ireland has two types of drivers in reality. The low daily commuter which electric suits and then the high daily commute which is doesn't

Electric suits you based on your requirement. Saying the odd time you need 700km is not really an arguement against electric anymore. Large investment is been made in the network and with the introduction of cost to charge it will remove all the spongers off the network. Hence weekend trips will be easy to manage to use the public system. Even if paying 8 euro a fill it will still work out a lot cheaper than a diesel for that journey and a hell of a lot cheaper over the lifetime of the car


It baffles me that people restrict options based on a single or odd long distance trip. Also people seems to be completely unaware how small Ireland is. To do a 700km roundtrip in Ireland you are talking of driving from Belfast to Cork and back, do you really do that? without stopping?



The criteria for electric should be what is the majority of driving you do, simple as that. If you do 20k km per year and 2k of that is long distance why would you buy a car for 20% of the trips you take???? why not buy a car that suits 80% of your driving?

Electric doesn't suit me. I do 2 camping trips a month June to Sept when I fill the octavia to the brim plus roof rack. That alone rules out any EV based on space alone.

I'm not driving 700km in one go but as a time poor parent stopping isn't always an option I want to be forced into and campsites and other places I go to for work can be remote.

We enjoy regular long trips at other times so right now while on paper an EV could offer a financial benefit in practical terms it won't.

I do like EV driving and when the time is right (elec octavia) I will devo go for it. I won't feel bad about diesel in the interim. Still great cars and tick every box. Why compromise when there's no need??

I'd say I spend 1800 a year on fuel. A brand new octavia is about 25k. A kona 40k 15k diff which is 8 years of driving not counting elec costs in kona. In reality I'd get 9 to 10 years in the skoda before I'd even broken even in the kona based on the massive capital cost of the car. Not counting interest and the fact the battery probably wouldn't last 10 years without severe degradation.

For the average driver the costs don't add up.

Give it 3 to 5 years and things will be different. Elec landscape is changing and vw will be the driver of change.

Lantus

Lantus wrote: »

Electric doesn't suit me. I do 2 camping trips a month June to Sept when I fill the octavia to the brim plus roof rack. That alone rules out any EV based on space alone.

I'm not driving 700km in one go but as a time poor parent stopping isn't always an option I want to be forced into and campsites and other places I go to for work can be remote.

We enjoy regular long trips at other times so right now while on paper an EV could offer a financial benefit in practical terms it won't.

I do like EV driving and when the time is right (elec octavia) I will devo go for it. I won't feel bad about diesel in the interim. Still great cars and tick every box. Why compromise when there's no need??

I'd say I spend 1800 a year on fuel. A brand new octavia is about 25k. A kona 40k 15k diff which is 8 years of driving not counting elec costs in kona. In reality I'd get 9 to 10 years in the skoda before I'd even broken even in the kona based on the massive capital cost of the car. Not counting interest and the fact the battery probably wouldn't last 10 years without severe degradation.

For the average driver the costs don't add up.

Give it 3 to 5 years and things will be different. Elec landscape is changing and vw will be the driver of change.

Vw the driver of change ?

I think you'll be waiting longer than 3-5 years for an octavia equivalent for 25 K with over 400 Kms. More like 8-10 years.

Nissan designed the leaf 10 years ago and still have 0 future electrics on the way , not even a hint.

Progress is slow.

I can't wait to see the Irish 62 Kwh Leaf prices

September1

Lantus wrote: »

I'd say I spend 1800 a year on fuel. A brand new octavia is about 25k. A kona 40k 15k diff which is 8 years of driving not counting elec costs in kona. In reality I'd get 9 to 10 years in the skoda before I'd even broken even in the kona based on the massive capital cost of the car. Not counting interest and the fact the battery probably wouldn't last 10 years without severe degradation.

You would break even at year 7 or 8 and be better of next years, assuming that Kona would depreciate as fast as 1st gen LEAF and there is no difference in servicing costs between those two cars.

Shefwedfan

Lantus wrote: »

Electric doesn't suit me. I do 2 camping trips a month June to Sept when I fill the octavia to the brim plus roof rack. That alone rules out any EV based on space alone.

I'm not driving 700km in one go but as a time poor parent stopping isn't always an option I want to be forced into and campsites and other places I go to for work can be remote.

We enjoy regular long trips at other times so right now while on paper an EV could offer a financial benefit in practical terms it won't.

I do like EV driving and when the time is right (elec octavia) I will devo go for it. I won't feel bad about diesel in the interim. Still great cars and tick every box. Why compromise when there's no need??

I'd say I spend 1800 a year on fuel. A brand new octavia is about 25k. A kona 40k 15k diff which is 8 years of driving not counting elec costs in kona. In reality I'd get 9 to 10 years in the skoda before I'd even broken even in the kona based on the massive capital cost of the car. Not counting interest and the fact the battery probably wouldn't last 10 years without severe degradation.

For the average driver the costs don't add up.

Give it 3 to 5 years and things will be different. Elec landscape is changing and vw will be the driver of change.

Your business case is slightly flawed when you think a Leaf is just over 28k to buy new. Would be a better spec to the Octavia and have similar space interior, boot might be smaller but plenty of option to combat that.....


Why would you need a 450km range car for travelling 100km daily? Any campsite with a plug can be a charge point.



I am not saying you are wrong, I just think people find so many reason to not go electric. That is your own choice. What I have found is that if you stand back and actually look at your requirements, in most situations you can find a resolution.



Out of interest, what are the 7-8 questions you would ask yourself to make it feasible?

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Would be a better spec to the Octavia and have similar space interior, boot might be smaller but plenty of option to combat that.....

Boot might be a bit smaller...... Your joking right?

@mad lad, never said there would be an elec octavia in 3-5 years, only that the market is changing.

@ September. 8 years before a car becomes cheaper than its diesel equivalent isn't a compelling business case. In some cases that will be worse, in others a bit better. As 2nd hand market develops things will improve dramatically.

In this the op would be probably better with diesel....

kanuseeme

Diesel is not the only answer, for the OP's budget, yesterday I went to Waterford twice in my outlander, first was 110 km with a full charge using a granny charger and an extension lead, and a fast charge to 80% in Waterford with the now broken again fast charger, my trip was 83% done on electric, it did not tell me the petrol use as it was above the max the dash can tell me which is 99 mpg, so i am assuming at least 100 mpg.
The 2nd trip after 4 hours or so, was 100 km which gave me 83 mpg which is 3.4 l/100 km.
Speed was around 90 kph and majority on national roads.

The only other long journeys I have done are airport runs which give me 42 mpg or 6.7 l /100 km on 320 km round trip

My suggestion to you would be a kona if you can afford it, or a phev, if you can charge in work for the return trip, out door socket with a granny charger will work and costs would be minimal. grant available for the home charger.



Diesel I believe will start to become more expensive, either the car or the fuel.

the culture of deference

Patser wrote: »

Electric is not yet the answer to everything and 200km daily to me suggests high mileage and diesel being the best option currently.

Cars like new leaf kona niro can do 400km now.
Graphene batteries on the way in the next 3 years.

unkel wrote: »

200km commute is over 50k km per year in total. That's roughly €4k saved per year in fuel and maintenance compared with a diesel. That pays for a lot of depreciation (so could possibly justify 64kWh Kona or eNiro or even Tesla Model 3)

We will save 4,000 euro every year in fuel and tax with new leaf, and I won't be wasting any money or resources running it. Have a fast charger in work as we have an electric fleet.

September1

Would Reanult ZOE with 40kWh batter not do 200 km reliably? If so then it might be in budget and fit requirements.

Zoe is slow, I'd imagine there wouldn't be much between them ?

GreeBo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Sorry but what are you talking about?


The OP has 25k to spend. They can get a newish A6 for 25k with low milage


They will not be able to buy an electric for the same money.

You are comparing a new car to a second hand one and then complaining that the new one is more expensive.

Apples to oranges to suit your narrative.