Huawei

smilerf

I'm a Huawei user
Just wondering are you going to return your Huawei

Western Lowland Gorilla

smilerf wrote: »

I'm a Huawei user
Just wondering are you going to return your Huawei

I am; partly because of what happened.

But also partly as I have been offered a full refund on my Huawei phone and Tablet from Amazon (Tablet 6 months old, phone about 2), and saw a good deal on an S10... so taking the opportunity for a change.

Once I had arranged that then the 90 day reprieve was announced.

I'd imagine existing phones will be fine no matter what, but not sure when it comes to new versions of Android though?

smilerf

Western Lowland Gorilla wrote: »

I am; partly because of what happened.

But also partly as I have been offered a full refund on my Huawei phone and Tablet from Amazon (Tablet 6 months old, phone about 2), and saw a good deal on an S10... so taking the opportunity for a change.
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Once I had arranged that then the 90 day reprieve was announced.

I'd imagine existing phones will be fine no matter what, but not sure when it comes to new versions of Android though?

Can I ask where you saw the s10 deal please

Western Lowland Gorilla

smilerf wrote: »

Can I ask where you saw the s10 deal please

I saw it on hotukdeals...
New Samsung Galaxy S10 128GB, 8GB RAM. 2 years official Samsung UK warranty at Wowcamera £580

Link to the deal itself below on Wowcamera website:

Wow Camera... Samsung Galaxy S10 128GB 8GB RAM Dual SIM (Unlocked for all UK networks) - Prism Green

rolion

Anyone dropping the Mate 20 Pros !!?

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"By Thomas L. Friedman Opinion Columnist

A U.S. businessman friend of mine who works in China remarked to me recently that Donald Trump is not the American president America deserves, but he sure is the American president China deserves.

Trump’s instinct that America needs to rebalance its trade relationship with Beijing — before China gets too big to compromise — is correct. And it took a human wrecking ball like Trump to get China’s attention. But now that we have it, both countries need to recognize just how pivotal this moment is.

The original U.S.-China opening back in the 1970s defined our restored trade ties, which were limited. When we let China join the World Trade Organization in 2001, it propelled China into a trading powerhouse under rules that still gave China lots of concessions as a developing economy.

This new negotiation will define how the U.S. and China relate as economic peers, competing for the same 21st-century industries, at a time when our markets are totally intertwined. So this is no ordinary trade dispute. This is the big one.

For it to end well, Trump will have to stop with his juvenile taunting of China on Twitter (and talking about how trade wars are “easy” to win) and quietly forge the best rebalancing deal we can get — we probably can’t fix everything at once — and move on, without stumbling unthinkingly into a forever tariff war.

And China’s president, Xi Jinping, will have to recognize that China can no longer enjoy the trading privileges it has had over the last 40 years, so he’d be wise to curb his nationalistic “no-one-tells-China-what-to-do” bluster and look for the best win-win deal he can get. Because Beijing can’t afford America and others shifting their manufacturing to “ABC,” Anywhere-But-China, supply chains.

Here is how we got here: Since the 1970s, the U.S.-China trade relationship has been pretty constant: We bought China’s toys, T-shirts, tennis shoes, machine tools and solar panels, and it bought our soybeans, beef and Boeings.

And when the trade balance got too out of whack — because China grew not only by hard work, by building smart infrastructure and by educating its people, but also by forcing technology transfers from U.S. companies, subsidizing its own companies, maintaining high tariffs, ignoring W.T.O. rulings and stealing intellectual property — Beijing placated us by buying more Boeings, beef and soybeans.

China kept insisting it was still “a poor developing country” that needed extra protection long after it had become the world’s largest manufacturer by far. Nevertheless, the relationship worked for enough U.S. companies enough of the time that the world’s biggest incumbent superpower, America, accommodated and effectively facilitated the rise of the world’s next largest superpower, China. And together they made globalization more pervasive and the world more prosperous.

And then some changes too big to ignore set in. First, China under Xi announced a “Made in China 2025” modernization plan, promising subsidies to make China’s private and state-owned companies the world leaders in supercomputing, A.I., new materials, 3-D printing, facial-recognition software, robotics, electric cars, autonomous vehicles, 5G wireless and advanced microchips.

This was a natural move for a China aiming to leap out of the middle-income ranks and to reduce its dependency on the West for high-tech. But all these new industries compete directly with America’s best companies.

As a result, all China’s subsidies, protectionism, cheating on trade rules, forced technology transfers and stealing of intellectual property since the 1970s became a much greater threat. If the U.S. and Europe allowed China to continue operating by the same formula that it had used to grow from poverty to compete for all the industries of the future, we’d be crazy. Trump is right about that.

Where he is wrong is that trade is not like war. Unlike war, it can be a win-win proposition. Alibaba, UnionPay, Baidu and Tencent and Google, Amazon, Facebook and Visa can all win at the same time — and they have been. I’m not sure Trump understands that.

But I’m not sure Xi does, either. We have to let China win fair and square where its companies are better, but it has to be ready to lose fair and square, too. Who can say how much more prosperous Google and Amazon would be today if they had been able to operate as freely in China as Alibaba and Tencent can operate in America?

And how much money did China save — to subsidize its own companies — when its military stole the plans for Lockheed Martin’s F-35 stealth fighter and then made its own carbon copy, avoiding all the R & D costs?

I repeat: Trade can be win-win, but the winning shares can be distorted when one side is working hard and cheating at the same time. We could look the other way when trade was just about toys and solar panels, but when it’s about F-35s and 5G telecommunications, that’s not smart.

But that’s not all that is new and problematic. We now live in the age of “dual use.” In a dual-use world, “everything that makes us powerful and prosperous also makes us vulnerable,” noted John Arquilla, one of the top strategists at the Naval Postgraduate School.

In particular, 5G equipment like that made by China’s Huawei, which can transfer data and voices at hyperspeed, can also serve as an espionage platform, if China’s intelligence services exercise their right under Chinese law to demand access.

Indeed, the controversy around Huawei shines a spotlight on this whole new moment: Huawei increasingly dominates the global market for 5G infrastructure, which used to be controlled by Ericsson and Nokia. America’s Qualcomm is both a supplier of chips and software to Huawei and a global competitor.

But the Chinese government has curbed competition against Huawei in China — by both foreign and Chinese companies — to enable Huawei to grow bigger, more quickly and cheaply. Huawei then uses that clout and pricing power to undercut Western telecoms and then uses its rising global market dominance to set the next generation of global 5G telecom standards around its own technologies, not those of Qualcomm or Sweden’s Ericsson.

Moreover, in a dual-use world, you have to worry that if you have a Huawei chatbot in your home, an equivalent of Amazon’s Echo, you could also be talking to Chinese military intelligence.

In the old days, when we were just buying China’s tennis shoes and solar panels and it our soybeans and Boeings, who cared if the Chinese were Communists, Maoists, socialists — or cheats? But when Huawei is competing on the next generation of 5G telecom with Qualcomm, AT&T and Verizon — and 5G will become the new backbone of digital commerce, communication, health care, transportation and education — values matter, differences in values matters, a modicum of trust matters and the rule of law matters. This is especially true when 5G technologies and standards, once embedded in a country, become very hard to displace.

And then add one more thing: The gap in values and trust between us and China is widening, not narrowing. For decades, America and Europe tolerated a certain amount of cheating from China on trade, because they assumed that as China became more prosperous — thanks to trade and capitalist reforms — it would also become more open politically. That was happening until about a decade ago.

For the last decade, though, said James McGregor, one of the most knowledgeable U.S. business consultants in China and a longtime resident there, it’s been clear that Beijing, instead of “reforming and opening, has been reforming and closing.”

Instead of China getting richer and becoming more of a responsible stakeholder in globalization, it was getting richer and militarizing islands in the South China Sea to push the U.S. out. And it was using high-tech tools, like facial recognition, to become more efficient at authoritarian control, not less.

All of this is now coming to a head in these trade talks. Either the U.S. and China find a way to build greater trust — so globalization can continue apace and we can grow together in this new era — or they won’t. In which case, globalization will start to fracture, and we’ll both be poorer for it."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/opinion/china-trump-trade.html

Chibs

rolion wrote: »

Anyone dropping the Mate 20 Pros !!?

I sent mine back to Amazon. Just waiting for a refund now. I bought it when it was released so due a nice refund. Ill probably wait for the Note 10. I have an old phone to tie me over.

OldMrBrennan83

rolion wrote: »

Anyone dropping the Mate 20 Pros !!?

I ordered one yesterday when the extension to August was announced.

Edit - sorry, P30 Pro.

rizzee

I can't... Bought m20pro 2nd hand with no receipt... Although I don't keep phones for too long... Couple of months at a time. I'd be more pissed off at resale value. I'll update it as much as I can and wait til next year when there will be a selection of 5G phones perhaps.

JustLen

Has anyone been offered an exchange / refund outside of the 28 window?

JustLen

Chibs wrote: »

I sent mine back to Amazon. Just waiting for a refund now. I bought it when it was released so due a nice refund. Ill probably wait for the Note 10. I have an old phone to tie me over.

How long ago did you buy and how did you go about getting the refund?

Chibs

JustLen wrote: »

How long ago did you buy and how did you go about getting the refund?

I got it in November I just contacted chat. I just asked for a refund I explained why. I got bounced around to different people but they agreed in the end.

PhiloCypher

So am I right in thinking that aside from being unable to update, Gmail, playstore and any US made/owned apps like Netflix and YouTube will cease to work after the 90 day extension?

Keith186

PhiloCypher wrote: »

So am I right in thinking that aside from being unable to update, Gmail, playstore and any US made/owned apps like Netflix and YouTube will cease to work after the 90 day extension?

I'm not sure but I think they will still work. They are released to the play store as opposed to just Huawei phones so therefore they are not directly dealing with Huawei. If the app needed to be tailored say to fit a different screen size for a Huawei phone then they couldn't do this and it probably wouldn't work fully.
That's all just a guess, Google could end up having to block service to Huawei phones depending on what way it's all licenced and contracted.

dragona

smilerf wrote: »

I'm a Huawei user
Just wondering are you going to return your Huawei

So I suppose all those who got their phones on contract are screwed! Got mine end of Jan from 3,two year contract, for a phone that will no longer receive any updates? Any comeback from this?

Balmed Out

Western Lowland Gorilla wrote: »

I am; partly because of what happened.

But also partly as I have been offered a full refund on my Huawei phone and Tablet from Amazon (Tablet 6 months old, phone about 2), and saw a good deal on an S10... so taking the opportunity for a change.

Once I had arranged that then the 90 day reprieve was announced.

I'd imagine existing phones will be fine no matter what, but not sure when it comes to new versions of Android though?

How so? I contacted amazon today for a laptop purchased at the end of February but no joy.

zep

dragona wrote: »

So I suppose all those who got their phones on contract are screwed! Got mine end of Jan from 3,two year contract, for a phone that will no longer receive any updates? Any comeback from this?

Not sure, similar boat here, if it comes to it we need a petition and all get together to fight this and demand refunds.
it's even worse now as latest info is that AOSP is still captured under licence and they will not even be allowed these updates.

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I spoke to Three yesterday and was assured that my phone will continue to work and receive updates etc and that only new handsets will be affected.

maximoose

dragona wrote: »

So I suppose all those who got their phones on contract are screwed! Got mine end of Jan from 3,two year contract, for a phone that will no longer receive any updates? Any comeback from this?

I'm in a similar position - just 5 months in to a 2 year contract

TBH, I'm not that concerned. The phone runs like a dream, no complaints, and it will continue to get app and security updates for the current version of android for as long as they are released, which should well continue until the end of the contract.

dragona

maximoose wrote: »

and it will continue to get app and security updates for the current version of android for as long as they are released, which should well continue until the end of the contract.

I understand this to be true, but I will be mightily peed off if any of the Google apps I use, ie Maps, will not get updated.Also I realise the contract is two years, but I do expect to use my phone for longer, this is infuriating :mad:

meep

Its been widely reported that this restriction will only apply to future handsets from the brand. Not sure what all the return panic is founded on.

zep

meep wrote: »

Its been widely reported that this restriction will only apply to future handsets from the brand. Not sure what all the return panic is founded on.

Eh no it has not. Restrictions will apply to new phones, and any existing device will not be able to get Android updates,your stuck on the version you have right now.
Even updates (security or otherwise) to existing phone will be delayed if they even happen as now even AOSP licencing for Huawei has been called into question. Open source licenses work within current copyright framework, and this ruling will ensure Huawei can't even use AOSP.

maximoose

I don't think that's true - but reports are changing daily so who knows

Here's How Huawei's Android Ban Affects You

Will Huawei phones still get Android updates?

Yes. Android system updates, once they’re made available to AOSP, will be available for Huawei phones. The difference is that Huawei will lose its early access to Android updates. Huawei will have to push these updates to its users itself and adapt them for its personalised user interface, which may take months. Slower updates has always been the case and is common with other Android manufacturers - but this may slow things up further.

What about security updates?

Huawei is promising to maintain regular security updates, but they won’t come directly from Google. It’s likely that they will only be able to push security updates once they’re made available to AOSP, it’s not clear how that will delay the process or if Huawei has a system to deliver those updates (I’ve asked).

zep

....... wrote: »

I spoke to Three yesterday and was assured that my phone will continue to work and receive updates etc and that only new handsets will be affected.

And what do you expect Three to say? Yeah your f**k*d, that new phone you bought/locked in contract for will not be getting any Google updates :rolleyes: Thanks for your custom.

zep

Here is the link to the article with the latest no AOSP update
https://www.xda-developers.com/analysis-huawei-aosp-google-ban/

This is just snowballing now:(

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zep wrote: »

And what do you expect Three to say? Yeah your f**k*d, that new phone you bought/locked in contract for will not be getting any Google updates :rolleyes: Thanks for your custom.

Actually I am one year into a 2 year contract, and given the ban has been lifted for 3 months now that means that I *may* have 9 months without updates but my current understanding is that existing handsets WILL continue to get Android updates and Three confirmed that in writing (by email) for me.

dragona

zep wrote: »

And what do you expect Three to say? Yeah your f**k*d, that new phone you bought/locked in contract for will not be getting any Google updates :rolleyes: Thanks for your custom.

That is exactly my worry. I love my phone, but would ditch it if its all going to go tats up.

zep

dragona wrote: »

That is exactly my worry. I love my phone, but would ditch it if its all going to go tats up.

Same here, only have the P30 Pro 3 week and am happy with it, however I'm very safety conscious on all my tech devices and this is just a kick in the stones.
I've always rooted my phones and this could probally help but the shower that Huawei are have locked the Bootloader :mad:

As for Three providing it via E-mail that you will get updates, that again is a crock of S**t. How do they know, and what to them constitutes "Updates"? 1 or 2 between now and the next year? And those updates would not be OS updates, just Huawei patches or something.
Considering that Google release monthly security patches, and even before this issue it would take Huawei (same for other manufactures) a lot longer to implement that update, you may not even get a licence Google update before the 90 days expire.

zep

Amazon, Argos etc are hardly offering refunds for the heck of it, no but rather because the devices no longer match the advertising/sales brief. Also why would so many be ditching them? UK and Asian carriers have/are pulling all Huawei products, that includes the "unaffected" current stock!
Japan has even halted pre-orders of the Huawei P30 Pro, now why would they do that.... sure it's not affected :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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zep wrote: »

As for Three providing it via E-mail that you will get updates, that again is a crock of S**t. How do they know, and what to them constitutes "Updates"? 1 or 2 between now and the next year? And those updates would not be OS updates, just Huawei patches or something.
Considering that Google release monthly security patches, and even before this issue it would take Huawei (same for other manufactures) a lot longer to implement that update, you may not even get a licence Google update before the 90 days expire.

Im not sure if you understand the nature of a contract.

Three have provided written confirmation that I will continue to receive updates while I am in contract. So if that STOPS happening, I will go back to them and say "hey - look, your written confirmation turned out to be wrong". But right now, today and for the forseeable future - we are still receiving updates. They stated that I would still receive Android updates. Im simply relaying to you what I was told and what is no doubt the official line.

That may change, but Im not going panic until it does. Actually Im not going to panic either way. Its only a phone.

zep

....... wrote: »

Im not sure if you understand the nature of a contract.

Three have provided written confirmation that I will continue to receive updates while I am in contract. So if that STOPS happening, I will go back to them and say "hey - look, your written confirmation turned out to be wrong". But right now, today and for the forseeable future - we are still receiving updates. They stated that I would still receive Android updates. Im simply relaying to you what I was told and what is no doubt the official line.

That may change, but Im not going panic until it does. Actually Im not going to panic either way. Its only a phone.

I'm not sure that you understand to be honest, your contract does not cover the software updates and an email is certainty not a contract :rolleyes: As I stated, based on your logic, if you get 1 update in the next 12 months your argument is invalidated. You will not get Android updates, you may get a patch or 2 over the next 90 days but that's not an Android update.
Your relaying what they told you? As I said earlier , what do you expect them to say? They are making assumptions with no facts to back them up.