Co-living..Shared kitchen for 42 ?

Graces7

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-co-living-apartment-building-would-see-42-share-a-kitchen-922939.html

A new idea?

Graham

Most of the co-living spaces have kitchenettes in each individual unit with a larger shared kitchen.

Is that not the case in this development?

Brussels Sprout

Christ that's grim

Cocobeans101

1300 per room a month. Not exactly a massive saving.

You could just share a two bed apartment for less than this.

Wabbit Ears

It doesn't go into details but if that 1300 a month included full time 24/7 cleaning/maintenance staff then the numbers would be around a large office canteen area scenario.

if it was a good faith, clean as you go setup then it would be a kip withing a half hour and unlivable within a day if the state of our canteen goes when the cleaner heads at 5.

matrim

42 rooms to a kitchen is a lot but the general idea has been around for a long time and is fine for a small amount of the market. There will always be people who just want somewhere to sleep, have breakfast and occasionally cook dinner.

Back in my mid 20s I spent about 8 months in a house like this (although only 9 rooms). It suited me at the time because I had lunch and dinner in work and was generally out most evenings and away most weekends.

Not everyone needs a 3 bed semi-d or apartment with dual aspect windows. A functional housing market should have room for both long and short term units.

Although at 1300 it does seem way overpriced.

Graham

Cocobeans101 wrote: »

1300 per room a month. Not exactly a massive saving.

You could just share a two bed apartment for less than this.

I think that's pretty much the exact setup co-living is an alternative to, house/apartment sharing with randomers.

The current proposed batch of co-living developments certainly don't appear to be putting themselves forward as a budget alternative but (and I'm generalising here) the rates would include utilities, broadband, cleaning, gym, social areas/bar/restaurant, flexible rental terms etc etc etc.

It's not going to suit everyone obviously but for it does appear to appeal to a young/mobile/professional cohort and it could take (some) pressure off rental housing stock.

Graces7

Graham wrote: »

I think that's pretty much the exact setup co-living is an alternative to, house/apartment sharing with randomers.

The current proposed batch of co-living developments certainly don't appear to be putting themselves forward as a budget alternative but (and I'm generalising here) the rates would include utilities, broadband, cleaning, gym, social areas/bar/restaurant, flexible rental terms etc etc etc.

It's not going to suit everyone obviously but for it does appear to appeal to a young/mobile/professional cohort and it could take (some) pressure off rental housing stock.

Reminded me of this

https://www.daft.ie/kerry/apartments-for-rent/killarney/abode-apartment-killarney-killarney-kerry-1923286/


But a huge difference in price and offers a lot more the Killarney one?

2ndcoming

Graces7 wrote: »

Reminded me of this

https://www.daft.ie/kerry/apartments-for-rent/killarney/abode-apartment-killarney-killarney-kerry-1923286/


But a huge difference in price and offers a lot more the Killarney one?

Reminds me of this...

Graham

That Killarney development looks like a halfway position between a traditional apartment share and a co-living space. Apartments to rent by the room with communal spaces available.

There's no current prices listed so it's hard to compare, I would expect it to be cheaper than a Dublin based alternative.

2ndcoming

Graham wrote: »

That Killarney development looks like a halfway position between a traditional apartment share and a co-living space. Apartments to rent by the room with communal spaces available.

There's no current prices listed so it's hard to compare, I would expect it to be cheaper than a Dublin based alternative.

The Killarney one is €125 pw for an apartment with separate kitchen and living space plus shared services.

The Dublin one is €325 pw for pull down bed, kitchenette plus shared services.

Graces7

2ndcoming wrote: »

The Killarney one is €125 pw for an apartment with separate kitchen and living space plus shared services.

The Dublin one is €325 pw for pull down bed, kitchenette plus shared services.

and Killarney has several services included like the gym etc

Creamy Goodness

But there’s feck all jobs in Killarney.

This DunL building looks like a joke. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s turned into a hotel within 10 years of opening.

sbsquarepants

1300 a month for that is nothing short of scandalous!

lawred2

Graham wrote: »

Most of the co-living spaces have kitchenettes in each individual unit with a larger shared kitchen.

Is that not the case in this development?

It seems to say so...

still grim and at 1300 a month that's nothing short of larceny

Varik

30 Rooms & 10 Bathrooms vs en-suit. Would rather the en-suit.

Had to live in a hotel for 2 months due to work, would rather this if price wasn't an issue as this was before just before things became scares.

Graces7

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

But there’s feck all jobs in Killarney.

This DunL building looks like a joke. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s turned into a hotel within 10 years of opening.

a lot of tourism and summer jobs associated with that?

Graces7

Graham wrote: »

That Killarney development looks like a halfway position between a traditional apartment share and a co-living space. Apartments to rent by the room with communal spaces available.

There's no current prices listed so it's hard to compare, I would expect it to be cheaper than a Dublin based alternative.

see

https://www.daft.ie/kerry/apartments-for-rent/killarney/abode-apartment-killarney-killarney-kerry-1923286/#img=2

overkill602

I read they will be for 2months – 12 months stays and will not have to be registered with the RTB perhaps let on a licensee basis.

While not cheap we need different solutions for private accommodation and move away from one type of tenancy the RTB demands on all rentals.

conorhal

Ugh.. 100yrs after acheiving independence removed foreign, absentee landlords from our hair, after instituting a massive social housing build program and reforming of tenents rignts, we now have our current bunch of incompetent traitors in power turn around a century later and sell the population back to absentee landlords building the tennement housing of the future.

Wheeliebin30

I don’t get it.

If people are happy to live like that leave them too it.

It’s another solution.

overkill602

conorhal wrote: »

Ugh.. 100yrs after acheiving independence removed foreign, absentee landlords from our hair, after instituting a massive social housing build program and reforming of tenents rignts, we now have our current bunch of incompetent traitors in power turn around a century later and sell the population back to absentee landlords building the tennement housing of the future.

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hots

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I don’t get it.

If people are happy to live like that leave them too it.

It’s another solution.

Exactly, people will either pay 1300 for it or they won't. It's a private venture so good luck to them.


If it was the gov. building and paying I'd have an issue with it but if someone thinks they can make money and provide a solution for some people good luck to them.

Caranica

There was a good graphic on twitter at the weekend. A disabled parking space is 17.5m2, these rooms are 16.2m2!

No way should this get planning, they already have it for 48 apartments on the site. Pure greed

hots

Caranica wrote: »

There was a good graphic on twitter at the weekend. A disabled parking space is 17.5m2, these rooms are 16.2m2!

No way should this get planning, they already have it for 48 apartments on the site. Pure greed

Why? If people don't want them they'll sit empty until they hit the right price. If people want them then they can have them. Even if it ends up being student accommodation or airbnb or summer students coming over, it all alleviates the demand pressure from somewhere, any new supply is a good thing.

matrim

hots wrote: »

Even if it ends up being student accommodation or airbnb or summer students coming over, it all alleviates the demand pressure from somewhere, any new supply is a good thing.

I'd disagree here. If they want it to be AirBnB or summer student accomidation that should be part of the original planning application so people know what to expect.

Graham

I doubt it will come to that, similar co-living spaces appear to have no issue filling the places.

Graces7

matrim wrote: »

I'd disagree here. If they want it to be AirBnB or summer student accomidation that should be part of the original planning application so people know what to expect.

Does it matter why someone rents it? Do folk seeking to rent there have to justify their reasons? That is so restrictive .

loyatemu

if there's demand for student type accommodation from non-students (probably still mostly young single people) then I don't see a problem, but 42 units sharing a kitchen is ridiculous, even if they have kitchenettes in their rooms. Student apartments tend to be 6-10 rooms with a shared living space.

hots

matrim wrote: »

I'd disagree here. If they want it to be AirBnB or summer student accomidation that should be part of the original planning application so people know what to expect.

I don't think they plan on it, I was trying to illustrate it will either be used or it won't. Obviously if they change substantially they'd need to apply for a change of the planning at some point I would imagine.

Caranica

These don't have kitchenettes in the rooms. The original plan had a two ring hob but they were removed after pre planning meetings with the council

lawred2

Caranica wrote: »

These don't have kitchenettes in the rooms. The original plan had a two ring hob but they were removed after pre planning meetings with the council

f**k that then

The_Conductor

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I don’t get it.

If people are happy to live like that leave them too it.

It’s another solution.

People are being pushed into accepting it as a solution- because the alternates that most people would rather- quite simply are unavailable.

There is no inherent demand for this sort of living arrangement- there is for 1-2 bed apartments- however in the absence of 1-2 bed apartments- people who have no alternate options- will evaluate what other arrangements are available to them.

I wouldn't see any issue with this sort arrangement at a university or somewhere with lots of young people who aren't going to cook and don't have any issue with sharing even with large groups like this (at the right price)- however, this is being priced as some sort of superior accommodation- and a few services tossed into the mix to justify the eye watering prices they are suggesting.

I don't see how or why people should put up with this- other than as a short term solution- while they find accommodation that actually suits their needs.

We need to build large numbers of apartments, of reasonable size, properly serviced and close to pertinent amenities and facilities- ideally in high density developments- and ideally in fairly central Dublin locations.

We need to get off our high horses- and get over our lack of enthusiasm for highrise- or eventually- most of the country will turn into an urban sprawl of one type or another.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

1,300 for 16.25 square meters per month? That's absolutely wrong. Then to share a kitchen with at least 41 other people? And the living room? WTF is that about?

An absolute joke of a building with a joke of a price tag and absolutely zero vision. Oh some fuker somewhere is getting rich out of this, big time.

"If people are happy to live like that, then let them" - absolute bollocks. People are desperate for a play to live and this is taking serious advantage of this. Scum.

ednwireland

I thought this co living thing was commonplace elsewhere. seems to be quite few In london

C3PO

ednwireland wrote: »

I thought this co living thing was commonplace elsewhere. seems to be quite few In london

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

Graham

+1

What C3PO said.

Fiftyfilthy

I hope they build more for people on social welfare

Can have their foreva room then and all live in harmony ... or not

Graces7

C3PO wrote: »

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

the outrage is the outrageous price. which really is.... outrageous.

Wabbit Ears

Graces7 wrote: »

the outrage is the outrageous price. which really is.... outrageous.

If the price is just for the room then yes, it is.

If it includes cleaners, maintenance, bins, electricity, water, internet, tv etc then its probably not as bad as it seems on the surface.

2ndcoming

C3PO wrote: »

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

As others have pointed out the price is offensive.

But I'm just trying to follow the logic. You would rather live in a property where you have your own bedroom but all other mod cons are shared with 41 other people over a property where you have your own bedroom but all other mod cons are shared with one other person? For less money.

Prison is a cheaper way to achieve the former.

These could be a great option for those working in the likes of Facebook or Google where all meals are available at their office, so people might just want a bed for the night.

There's complaints that all that is being built in Dublin are 3 bed semi ds, but when somebody attempts to build something different along come more complainers.

Maybe if people stopped complaining things might get built and then we can see what happens.

Graham

2ndcoming wrote: »

I'm just trying to follow the logic.

Off the top of my head:

Own room
Own en-suite bathroom
No long-term commitments
Management on site
Maintenance on site
Good standard of fit/finish.
No other bills
Gym and/or social facilities on site
Restaurant/bar on site
Generally closer to (or in) town/city centres
No convincing 4 other people you'd be the be best housemate out of the 475 other applicants

djan

Speaking from personal experience, where I lived for a year in an extremely similar set up albeit 1 kitchen to only 38 rooms it is perfectly fine. Actually is a lot more enjoyable and dignified living than house/room sharing as you have your own substantial private space and en-suite. While I would appreciate the price to be a bit lower, the market dictates this and I hope that planning for this goes through and opens up space for more of these buildings to be built closer to Dublin city.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-co-living-apartment-building-would-see-42-share-a-kitchen-922939.html

A new idea?

They’re intended as short term lets. Each will have a kitchenette and bathroom. Not a bad idea for someone finding their feet.

2ndcoming

Graham wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

Own room
Own en-suite bathroom
No long-term commitments
Management on site
Maintenance on site
Good standard of fit/finish.
No other bills
Gym and/or social facilities on site
Restaurant/bar on site
Generally closer to (or in) town/city centres
No convincing 4 other people you'd be the be best housemate out of the 475 other applicants

Sharing an apartment can have all of those things already though. Literally the only difference is you don't have to share your kitchen with 40 other people

Gym / bar on site is a bit pointless anyway when you're paying €1300 a month for essentially a bedroom in a hostel, you will need all the money you have left.

C3PO

Graces7 wrote: »

the outrage is the outrageous price. which really is.... outrageous.

The price is dictated by the market - if it is too expensive then people will not rent them!

conorhal

C3PO wrote: »

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

While that may be, I doubt it's an arrangement that's appealing to the vast majority of people.
The question becomes, will living like this be an option for people amenable to this kind or arrangement or a will it become a situation forced on people by circumstances who would ordinarily rather not live like?

It seems to me that this is nothing but a proposal to re-build the tenements that were the blight of the working poor in 18th and 19th century Dublin.

C3PO

conorhal wrote: »

While that may be, I doubt it's an arrangement that's appealing to the vast majority of people.
The question becomes, will living like this be an option for people amenable to this kind or arrangement or a will it become a situation forced on people by circumstances who would ordinarily rather not live like?

It seems to me that this is nothing but a proposal to re-build the tenements that were the blight of the working poor in 18th and 19th century Dublin.

Oh for God sake!!!
These units are clearly aimed at young, probably single, employed, reasonably well to do tenants who are looking for short to medium term accommodation!

Here's an example:
https://www.thecollective.com/co-living?gclid=Cj0KCQjwn8_mBRCLARIsAKxi0GKrIPOWJ1p0x4pV0YZd0Bgf8MeIXUvYtNydctRdZXf5PCxA24VXgiMaAjPfEALw_wcB

Graham

2ndcoming wrote: »

Sharing an apartment can have all of those things already though. Literally the only difference is you don't have to share your kitchen with 40 other people

Any apartment that has all those things is likely to be significantly more than €1300pps.

2ndcoming wrote: »

Gym / bar on site is a bit pointless anyway when you're paying €1300 a month for essentially a bedroom in a hostel, you will need all the money you have left.

I suspect you're making some particularly whopping assumptions about the income level of the target market here.

conorhal

C3PO wrote: »

Oh for God sake!!!
These units are clearly aimed at young, probably single, employed, reasonably well to do tenants who are looking for short to medium term accommodation!

Here's an example:
https://www.thecollective.com/co-living?gclid=Cj0KCQjwn8_mBRCLARIsAKxi0GKrIPOWJ1p0x4pV0YZd0Bgf8MeIXUvYtNydctRdZXf5PCxA24VXgiMaAjPfEALw_wcB

What they aim to be and what they'll look like in 20 years are two very different things.