Gender segregated spaces, yea or nay?

cgcsb

A while ago some female colleagues were chatting about a trip to a spa/health club. They all agreed they wouldn't get into a jacuzzi that was full of men because they'd feel intimidated. Fair enough says I. Then yesterday I went to the gym only to find 5 girls in the jacuzzi and though, oh here we go, but I said I'd be tolerant and get in anyway.

After 20 minutes of continuous pigeon chatter in my ear holes I had to leave with a bad migrane. I view the spa-health club as a silent or near silent space and that was ruined. It wasn't just the talk that was problematic it was also that the repetitive subject matter was so irrational and frivolous. I felt like interrupting at one point and telling Michelle that Siobhan didn't want to go to her party no matter how many different ways she phrased the question.

I got to thinking about how men only spaces used to be common e.g. golf clubs and how men only spaces are still common in the Arabic speaking world, I bet men there have less migranes. The only remaining men only spaces in Ireland are gay clubs for sexual reasons rather than for peace and quiet. Surely there's some merit in some level of segregation? I'm sure women would be happier with that also.

Your Face

The most important question to be asked is -
Have anyones gainz been lost?

s4uv3

Nattering wrecks my head too, I've been a woman for 37 years. Men do it too. As do kids.

Feisar

Is their a Men's Shed nearby OP?

Feisar

s4uv3 wrote: »

Nattering wrecks my head too, I've been a woman for 37 years. Men do it too. As do kids.

I agree, both sexes natter about shíte, just different shíte.

KikiLaRue

I think segregation is the wrong word (and the wrong concept, in fact) but I think it’s good for men and women to have spaces primarily for one or the other.

For example, the place I play poker is 90% men, plenty of sports bars and there are plenty of gyms that are specifically targeted at either men or women.

Two of the best nights I’ve had recently were the Spice Girls singalong at the Sugar Club(95% women and gay men) and a recording of the Guilty Feminist at Vicar Street with similar attendance.

Wouldn’t like to go down the route of banning straight men from the latter or women from the former at all, but there are certain spaces that are more attractive to different groups and that’s fine.

If you happen to be a straight man who believes Girl Power, you’re more than welcome to spice up my life.

cgcsb

Men natter aswell but usually only when drink is involved and the groups are large. I find in sober settings men rarely congregate in groups more than 2 and they hardly say more than a few words to eachother. Women tend to form large groups and squak at eachother repetitively, hence the want for a male space, a bit of silence really does you good I find.

cgcsb

Feisar wrote: »

Is their a Men's Shed nearby OP?

That's a valid point they are a great invention for the older gent who wants a bit of peace, I'm probably too young though.

KikiLaRue

cgcsb wrote: »

That's a valid point they are a great invention for the older gent who wants a bit of peace, I'm probably too young though.

God that one conversation really got to you, u ok hun? x

Cookie_Monster

The problem with that these days OP is there are some many extra genders that you quickly run out of space for anything.
It's just easier to lump everyone in together

strandroad

cgcsb wrote: »

After 20 minutes of continuous pigeon chatter in my ear holes I had to leave with a bad migrane. I view the spa-health club as a silent or near silent space and that was ruined. It wasn't just the talk that was problematic it was also that the repetitive subject matter was so irrational and frivolous. I felt like interrupting at one point and telling Michelle that Siobhan didn't want to go to her party no matter how many different ways she phrased the question.

Or perhaps there should be a social spa and a chillout spa? I would use the latter too (as a woman).

You also sound as if you never witnessed any lads discussing sporting events!

cgcsb

KikiLaRue wrote: »

God that one conversation really got to you, u ok hun? x

Yeah thanks hun

cgcsb

strandroad wrote: »

You also sound as if you never witnessed any lads discussing sporting events!

Yes, typically in an appropriate venue such as a bar where ambient noise at a higher level is socially acceptable not in libraries, saunas etc.

How Soon Is Now

I love nothing more then a big deep chat with me girlfriend or few me mates on a subject so i think everyone chats obviously certain things are more mind numbing then others.


Ive sat on the outside of some bloody awful head melting ****e coming out of both female and male groups though i will say. A group of women can talk some ****e but sure the fellas can be just as good!

One eyed Jack

cgcsb wrote: »

I got to thinking about how men only spaces used to be common e.g. golf clubs and how men only spaces are still common in the Arabic speaking world, I bet men there have less migranes. The only remaining men only spaces in Ireland are gay clubs for sexual reasons rather than for peace and quiet. Surely there's some merit in some level of segregation? I'm sure women would be happier with that also.

Depends upon whatever you’re into really, but men’s and women’s separate spaces are still fairly common here in Ireland too, and yes I’m all for it. And if other people want to mix with people of the opposite sex, whenever they do, there’s plenty of places for that too, so everyone’s happy.

KikiLaRue wrote: »

If you happen to be a straight man who believes Girl Power, you’re more than welcome to spice up my life.

The Spice Girls was Geri Halliwell, the rest of ‘em were window dressing

branie2

We already have them; they're called dressing rooms and changing areas

KikiLaRue

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The Spice Girls was Geri Halliwell, the rest of ‘em were window dressing

You’re obviously not a very good Republican, but she did rock that Union Jack dress.

Can’t wait for the gig!

Dublinandy2

branie2 wrote: »

We already have them; they're called dressing rooms and changing areas

And if you hang around them too often the Garda will put you in a safe little room all by yourself for some contemplation time.

jimgoose

One eyed Jack wrote: »

...The Spice Girls was Geri Halliwell, the rest of ‘em were window dressing

No! No, I won't have that! Melanie Brown was, and is, a magnificent creature.

As regards segregated spaces, it amazes me sometimes that despite - or, perhaps, because of - all the roaring and bawling about equality society is more divided than ever.

KikiLaRue

jimgoose wrote: »

No! No, I won't have that! Melanie Brown was, and is, a magnificent creature.

As regards segregated spaces, it amazes me sometimes that despite - or, perhaps, because of - all the roaring and bawling about equality society is more divided than ever.

It's actually not. It can seem that way because social media thrives on it, but for the most part Ireland (and indeed the world) is more equal and at peace with each other than it was in 1980 or 1950 or 1930 or... you get the drift.

If you're a woman, a gay person or a person of colour in Ireland, there has never been a better time than now to be alive in the Western World. Still work to do? Yes. But things are pretty good overall.

If you're a straight white dude, you benefit from the fact that we've moved on from the idea that you and you alone are responsible for providing for your family, that you're not allowed to express your feelings, you're quite unlikely to be sent off to war to die for your country etc.

If you get offline and look around, things are better than ever (despite the big huge massive problems we have left to face).

jimgoose

KikiLaRue wrote: »

...If you get offline and look around, things are better than ever (despite the big huge massive problems we have left to face).

I spend most of my time offline and looking around. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But we seem to have a small and very screechy contingent who have no shortage of platform, determined to be oppressed at all costs. :pac:

OneArt

I'm actually pretty strange when it comes to my friends.

I hang out with them because they're good craic and we enjoy each other's company. Because we have interesting conversations, similar interests and like doing the same stuff together.

Funnily enough, I don't give a sh!t what genitals they have. Whether or not they wear makeup dresses etc.

Maybe I'm just weird.

banie01

Like specific men only spaces?
Like golf clubs? Or Dining societies? Or masonic type lodge organisations?
Where men can congregate free from the fear of being judged as mysoginistic or some such?

I can see no issue at all, and sure when the female equivalants are infiltrated by cross dressing men vying to disrupt the matriarchy will be seen by all for the gender heroes they surely are!

/S

banie01

s4uv3 wrote: »

Nattering wrecks my head too, I've been a woman for 37 years. Men do it too. As do kids.

I'll be honest, as a near 40y,o male...
Me and my best friend still meet up once a week specifically to gossip about other people!
Men are just as bad as women for gossip, but we dress it up a bit more as slagging

is_that_so

cgcsb wrote: »

That's a valid point they are a great invention for the older gent who wants a bit of peace, I'm probably too young though.

That's what headphones are for! Rude maybe but effective notice of do not disturb.

ILoveYourVibes

Whatever people want to do. So long as its done nicely etc.

KikiLaRue

banie01 wrote: »

I can see no issue at all, and sure when the female equivalants are infiltrated by cross dressing men vying to disrupt the matriarchy will be seen by all for the gender heroes they surely are!

/S

Considering the number of trans people there are (a tiny percentage), lots of men seem really obsessed with the issue.

Cross-dressing men are generally great craic, they're more than welcome to my Girl Power Society.

banie01

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Considering the number of trans people there are (a tiny percentage), lots of men seem really obsessed with the issue.

Cross-dressing men are generally great craic, they're more than welcome to my Girl Power Society.

1st off I think the joke may have gone over your head?
2nd, Trans and cross dressing are 2 very different things and should not really be compared

And as for being obsessed...
I refer again to point 1

Still, nice to know that if I ever decide to venture out in a dress we can hang out together in your club

KikiLaRue

banie01 wrote: »

1st off I think the joke may have gone over your head?
2nd, Trans and cross dressing are 2 very different things and should not really be compared

And as for being obsessed...
I refer again to point 1

Still, nice to know that if I ever decide to venture out in a dress we can hang out together in your club

I believe it was you who made the reference to "cross-dressing men trying to disrupt the matriarchy", when you clearly referring to trans?

And yeah, your joke was a) not funny and b) not very clearly a joke?

banie01

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I believe it was you who made the reference to "cross-dressing men trying to disrupt the matriarchy", when you clearly referring to trans?

And yeah, your joke was a) not funny and b) not very clearly a joke?

You plainly have an agenda, nice to know.
Where you infered "Trans" it was never implied, I'd appreciate it greatly if you could go back and show me where it was said?
Even in the context of the remark?

You are just making things up, and framing comments through your own world view.

So, thats more a you problem.

As for my joke clearly not being a joke?
Would you care to elucidate what it meant in your interpretaion?

KikiLaRue

banie01 wrote: »

You plainly have an agenda, nice to know.
Where you infered "Trans" it was never implied, I'd appreciate it greatly if you could go back and show me where it was said?
Even in the context of the remark?

You are just making things up, and framing comments through your own world view.

So, thats more a you problem.

As for my joke clearly not being a joke?
Would you care to elucidate what it meant in your interpretaion?

Nope, I really wouldn't.

banie01

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Nope, I really wouldn't.

Because you can't?

You see if I was to go and make an unfounded inference from that?
Rather than from what was actually said?
I wonder what implication I'd leap to?

KikiLaRue

banie01 wrote: »

Because you can't?

You see if I was to go and make an unfounded inference from that?
Rather than from what was actually said?
I wonder what implication I'd leap to?

No, because you're boring and you're looking for an argument and I'm not going to give it to you.

It's a nice day out. Have a cup of tea, take 5, and let us all know if you have anything to contribute back on topic.

The Tetrarch

I would like segregated car parking spaces - too many women oogling me. :rolleyes:

KikiLaRue

The Tetrarch wrote: »

I would like segregated car parking spaces - too many women oogling me. :rolleyes:

That's the price you pay for being sexy.

cgcsb

The Tetrarch wrote: »

I would like segregated car parking spaces - too many women oogling me. :rolleyes:

There's a good one, women can just dent each other's cars then. The female driver generally has no idea where the front left corner of her car is.

banie01

KikiLaRue wrote: »

No, because you're boring and you're looking for an argument and I'm not going to give it to you.

It's a nice day out. Have a cup of tea, take 5, and let us all know if you have anything to contribute back on topic.

Nope, not at all and many of the poster's here can confirm that's not my m.o.

However that said I also am not one to let someone portray themselves as a victim because they jump to conclusions regarding clear statements on my part.

You leapt to an unfounded and incorrect conclusion.
Granted my joke may not have been a side splitter.
But.
You implied meaning and insult where there is patently none.
Id appreciate an apology or your statements retracted.

KikiLaRue

cgcsb wrote: »

There's a good one, women can just dent each other's cars then. The female driver generally has no idea where the front left corner of her car is.

Men love to think they are the better drivers, but actuaries at insurance companies strongly disagree. And so do courts prosecuting dangerous driving charges.

Factually, by pretty much any measure, women are far better drivers.

KikiLaRue

banie01 wrote: »

Nope, not at all and many of the poster's here can confirm that's not my m.o.

However that said I also am not one to let someone portray themselves as a victim because they jump to conclusions regarding clear statements on my part.

You leapt to an unfounded and incorrect conclusion.
Granted my joke may not have been a side splitter.
But.
You implied meaning and insult where there is patently none.
Id appreciate an apology or your statements retracted.

I'd appreciate a million euro, an orgasm and some chocolate. Looks like we're both going to be disappointed.

jimgoose

KikiLaRue wrote: »

No, because you're boring and you're looking for an argument and I'm not going to give it to you.

It's a nice day out. Have a cup of tea, take 5, and let us all know if you have anything to contribute back on topic.

You pole-vaulted in to defend the poor oppressed Transgender Community against insult and oppression that simply wasn't there, and be seen to do it, and you got a slap. The World turns. :pac::pac::pac:

KikiLaRue

jimgoose wrote: »

You pole-vaulted in to defend the poor oppressed Transgender Community against insult and oppression that simply wasn't there, and be seen to do it, and you got a slap. The World turns. :pac::pac::pac:

I WISH I could pole vault!

is_that_so

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Men love to think they are the better drivers, but actuaries at insurance companies strongly disagree. And so do courts prosecuting dangerous driving charges.

Factually, by pretty much any measure, women are far better drivers.

I think the factual thing is that they tend not to total cars anywhere near as much as (young) men. Not having as many accidents is not any evidence of good driving, it's just evidence of a lack of accidents which involved claims.

banie01

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I'd appreciate a million euro, an orgasm and some chocolate. Looks like we're both going to be disappointed.

Ahhh, was that a joke?
Should I sink to your level and point out the lack of funnies whilst I stroke my ego and take offence?

I hope you show as much faux outrage for the real problems in your life

cgcsb

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Men love to think they are the better drivers, but actuaries at insurance companies strongly disagree. And so do courts prosecuting dangerous driving charges.

Factually, by pretty much any measure, women are far better drivers.

Safer drivers perhaps, can't park for sh!te though.

Deebles McBeebles

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I'd appreciate a million euro, an orgasm and some chocolate. Looks like we're both going to be disappointed.

Do the lotto and get some chocolate from the shop. The other one, we all know women don't have orgasms! Silly!

The important question that has been missed here. OP, do you know if Siobhan went to Michelle's party after? Dying to know if she felt obliged to go and just stood there for the night with a head on her.

KikiLaRue

is_that_so wrote: »

I think the factual thing is that they tend not to total cars anywhere near as much as (young) men. Not having as many accidents is not any evidence of good driving, it's just evidence of a lack of accidents which involved claims.

Okay, I'll rephrase: Women are less likely to be in major accidents, less likely to get penalty points, and less likely to be prosecuted for dangerous driving, which - in my opinion - makes them the better drivers overall, even if they are more likely to leave the occasional dent.

KikiLaRue

banie01 wrote: »

Ahhh, was that a joke?
Should I sink to your level and point out the lack of funnies whilst I stroke my ego and take offence?

I hope you show as much faux outrage for the real problems in your life

I was never outraged, that's the point - you inferred outrage from an offhand comment I made. Should I demand an apology and a retraction for that?

Get over yourself and move on.

cgcsb

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Do the lotto and get some chocolate from the shop. The other one, we all know women don't have orgasms! Silly!

The important question that has been missed here. OP, do you know if Siobhan went to Michelle's party after? Dying to know if she felt obliged to go and just stood there for the night with a head on her.

Well I had to leave because the blood pouring from my ears was causing a stir. The last I heard Michelle was running through the transport options available to Shioban, which included the luas and the bus. This was following the 5th refusal.

Deebles McBeebles

cgcsb wrote: »

Well I had to leave because the blood pouring from my ears was causing a stir. The last I heard Michelle was running through the transport options available to Shioban, which included the luas and the bus. This was following the 5th refusal.

Jaysus there will have been some snarky comments going around FB for days after.

Poor auld Shelly.

KikiLaRue

cgcsb wrote: »

Well I had to leave because the blood pouring from my ears was causing a stir. The last I heard Michelle was running through the transport options available to Shioban, which included the luas and the bus. This was following the 5th refusal.

This is how I feel when men talk about football. Just sayin'.

banie01

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I was never outraged, that's the point - you inferred outrage from an offhand comment I made. Should I demand an apology and a retraction for that?

Get over yourself and move on.

You are doing the stereotype that some may infer from your histrionic posting style the absolute world of good
If you don't wish to see my replies to your BS, feel free to put me on ignore.

And have a nice day, get that chocolate and **** those chips off your shoulder.
If the million is needed, I can cover it in Turkish Lira if that helps?