Petrol as next car

MuddyDog

Will be buying a new car in a few months time. I do about 35,000 - 40,000 kms per year mostly on motorways. I know it should be a diesel really but just wondering if I do go petrol is there any downside on a petrol car doing that sort of mileage.

Dravokivich

The car isn't what you pump into it. So what are you looking at driving?

Stallingrad

What car are you considering? With that kind of mileage power, refinement and comfort are big considerations.

Assuming fuel costs are not an issue I'd have no issue with a decent petrol.

MuddyDog

An S3 is the preferred choice at present.

Stallingrad

MuddyDog wrote: »

An S3 is the preferred choice at present.

Assuming 2.0tfsi. While refined and quick not known for ride comfort. Offset pedals also in issue in RHD. Not sure I'd want to be spending that much time in it.

BIGT4464

Try the Camry. But I would stick with Diesel for now and go electric in a few years

ciarsd

Ah FFS. Thread started looking for options and feedback on a petrol, namely an S3. Moments later, we're into diesel and a camry..Come on lads, that's just soul destroying and a little depressing

MuddyDog

Aside from comfort, no issue with putting high mileage generally on a petrol though right?!

Stallingrad

MuddyDog wrote: »

Aside from comfort, no issue with putting high mileage generally on a petrol though right?!

Thought the Camry post was a joke!

No, the engine can take it, but if you plan to have it for a number of years it will be very hard to sell, so prepare to loose your shirt.

drunkmonkey

I'm doing it in a GTi currently, it's not a massive difference between the cost of diesel and petrol if your used to a fast diesel. If you going from a Passat diesel to an S3 i'd say your feel it then.

Ludikrus

Stallingrad wrote: »

No, the engine can take it, but if you plan to have it for a number of years it will be very hard to sell, so prepare to loose your shirt.

Why is that? Are petrol cars not becoming more popular than they were?

shanec1928

Ludikrus wrote: »

Why is that? Are petrol cars not becoming more popular than they were?

Because people generally have a heart failure with mileage north of 100k.

Stallingrad

Ludikrus wrote: »

Why is that? Are petrol cars not becoming more popular than they were?

They are, but after 4 years OP may have 160,000kms on it. For an S3 that will be a hard sell.

ShadowHearth

Ludikrus wrote: »

Why is that? Are petrol cars not becoming more popular than they were?

Petol is not an issue, The issue is no one will touch a high mileage S3 unless it's does cheap.
Then again, if OP wants S3, can afford it, does not care about resale value, then more power to him.

I do high miles is small hot hatch myself and it is getting a bit hard after about 2 years. Stuff like S3 I bigger and be more comfy so I don't think it would be an issue.

bazz26

Your biggest outlays here with such a car doing those sort of miles will be fuel, maintenance and depreciation. If you can live with those things then go for it.

celtic_oz

dont buy new .. lectric will kill resale values quicker than u think

https://www.cargiant.co.uk/car/bmw/320i/SJ15ESK

micks_address

celtic_oz wrote: »

dont buy new .. lectric will kill resale values quicker than u think

https://www.cargiant.co.uk/car/bmw/320i/SJ15ESK

at the moment i'm thinking when my pcp is up next year ill be changing my 2 litre diesel dsg octavia for the petrol equivalent.. someone told me last week, you can't even order an octavia with 2 litre diesel manual any more? also they were told by dealer they couldnt quote prices as there some significant changes coming from wltp real world testing in next few months.. i thought all that was clarified already?

bazz26

The current Octavia is coming to the end of it's model run but WLTP came into play before that so they had to trim back on the models, rather than from lack of demand. The VAG don't seem to have been very well prepared for WLTP as cars like the Golf have also had specs and options trimmed back.

micks_address

bazz26 wrote: »

The current Octavia is coming to the end of it's model run but WLTP came into play before that so they had to trim back on the models, rather than from lack of demand. The VAG don't seem to have been very well prepared for WLTP as cars like the Golf have also had specs and options trimmed back.

Off topic but when would they expect a new Octavia to be in showrooms?

bazz26

New Leon/Octavia and Golf are all due by the end of this year.

micks_address

bazz26 wrote: »

New Leon/Octavia and Golf are all due by the end of this year.

That's cool, any info on Octavia yet?

ZiabR

Stallingrad wrote: »

They are, but after 4 years OP may have 160,000kms on it. For an S3 that will be a hard sell.

In fairness, Petrol or Diesel, with 160,000km on the clock, both can be hard to sell. The Irish and English are completely hung up on mileage. You go to Italy, Spain, Portugal and you will regularly find cars with 300,000km + still flying.

As long as the car is maintained correctly the engine should in theory run with ease, well above 250,000 miles. We Irish just don't see it that way. It is half the reason why clocking cars has been getting more and more popular.

Dravokivich

Clocking isn't done for anxiety of the next driver, its becuase lower mileage is seen as less used, so closer to new and priced to reflect that.

porsche boy

ZiabR wrote:

In fairness, Petrol or Diesel, with 160,000km on the clock, both can be hard to sell. The Irish and English are completely hung up on mileage. You go to Italy, Spain, Portugal and you will regularly find cars with 300,000km + still flying.

I find the idea of repairs & maintenance totally different on the continent. Cars are maintained as required and can last the distance.

In Ireland there is always the cheap mentality, don't bother with servicing until there is an engine light on and even then just do the necessities. There is this constant idea the the mechanic is just there to rip you off and so people aren't very trusting.

I have seen a car go to the scrap with less then 100k on it because it wasnt maintained properly, and the owner cursing how 'cars aren't made like they used to be'.
Complete service history for the car was 3 oil changes in a quick fit type company. Origional fuel filter, air filter & cabin filter were still in it.

minikin

40k is roughly 160km per day - would an ev not be ideal for this kilometerage?
(Don’t own one - just curious as to when they’re going to become the obvious choice... would it not save you loads in fuel cost?)

bazz26

micks_address wrote: »

That's cool, any info on Octavia yet?

Very little over it's getting a little bigger again so that the new Scala can fit below it in the range.

bodonnell

Have been driving a 181 civic petrol 1.5 for the last year. have just under 38000kms done, mostly motorway. I leave it in eco mode on the motorway & am currently seeing 5.5l/100. My previous 161 tuscon 1.7 was doing 6.7/100 on the same journey.
All in all happy to be back in petrol

amen

ZiabR wrote: »

In fairness, Petrol or Diesel, with 160,000km on the clock, both can be hard to sell. The Irish and English are completely hung up on mileage. You go to Italy, Spain, Portugal and you will regularly find cars with 300,000km + still flying.

As long as the car is maintained correctly the engine should in theory run with ease, well above 250,000 miles. We Irish just don't see it that way. It is half the reason why clocking cars has been getting more and more popular.

I had VW Passat 1999 finally got rid with about 360,000 miles on it. ( I had it 11 years and put 310,000 miles on it)

My current Skoda Superb has about 240,000 KM on it. I hope to get up to 600,000 Km

gooner99

I'd second petrol. Just about to retire our 2004 1.4 petrol golf at 247,000 miles. No issues engine wise, still starts and drives well and it didn't have an easy life. Probably could have saved on fuel over the years if it was a diesel with that kind of mileage, but mau also have been caught with diesel related problems. Changed the clutch and gear box at around 170k. Pity the windows have stopped working and the engine and abs lights are on. Can't complain though. Looking to replace it with a 06 1.4 corolla hatch with half the miles rather than take a chance on a newer diesel. Mad idea?

Mike9832

Tesla Model 3 would be my choice

Probably quicker than the S3 too

Shefwedfan

Buy the petrol, just keep a good service record and people won’t care about high mileage once you can show a strong service history

AMKC

@OP Surely a hyprid is worth a look. Maybe a Toyota Corolla or C-HR. Honda CRV either if you want a big SUV.

gooner99 wrote: »

I'd second petrol. Just about to retire our 2004 1.4 petrol golf at 247,000 miles. No issues engine wise, still starts and drives well and it didn't have an easy life. Probably could have saved on fuel over the years if it was a diesel with that kind of mileage, but mau also have been caught with diesel related problems. Changed the clutch and gear box at around 170k. Pity the windows have stopped working and the engine and abs lights are on. Can't complain though. Looking to replace it with a 06 1.4 corolla hatch with half the miles rather than take a chance on a newer diesel. Mad idea?

The windows are an easy enough fix just means taking off the inside of the doors and replacing the motors for them. The other things could be something simple too. Sounds like you just want to change it do.

bazz26

The OP is interested in a S3 and keeps getting recommended hybrid Corollas and Camrys.

Shefwedfan

bazz26 wrote: »

The OP is interested in a S3 and keeps getting recommended hybrid Corollas and Camrys.

Plus a Tesla and a big discussion about an Octavia....

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Plus a Tesla and a big discussion about an Octavia....

Tesla is similar in terms of performance

gooner99

@OP Surely a hyprid is worth a look. Maybe a Toyota Corolla or C-HR. Honda CRV either if you want a big SUV.



Quote: gooner99
I'd second petrol. Just about to retire our 2004 1.4 petrol golf at 247,000 miles. No issues engine wise, still starts and drives well and it didn't have an easy life. Probably could have saved on fuel over the years if it was a diesel with that kind of mileage, but mau also have been caught with diesel related problems. Changed the clutch and gear box at around 170k. Pity the windows have stopped working and the engine and abs lights are on. Can't complain though. Looking to replace it with a 06 1.4 corolla hatch with half the miles rather than take a chance on a newer diesel. Mad idea?


The windows are an easy enough fix just means taking off the inside of the doors and replacing the motors for them. The other things could be something simple too. Sounds like you just want to change it do. (Quote)


I should have added the other problems. Brakes need doing, discs all round by the looks of it. Gates timing belt kit and waterpump done at 180k miles. So that would be a little overdue now at 247k miles. But maybe I could take a chance on that seeing it was a good kit fitted and I'd really only want to get to next year out of it?

So if we leave the timing belt out it might be worth saving?

Belfast

There is the new skyativ-x engine due in the new few months in the mazda 3 hatachback.
I am not sure I would not an early one for the production line.
Next year might be a better time may be 202 or 211

Mazda announces Irish pricing and specification for the all-new Mazda3
https://avondhupress.ie/mazda-announces-irish-pricing-and-specification-for-the-all-new-mazda3/

Mike9832

Belfast wrote: »

There is the new skyativ-x engine due in the new few months in the mazda 3 hatachback.
I am not sure I would not an early one for the production line.
Next year might be a better time may be 202 or 211

Mazda announces Irish pricing and specification for the all-new Mazda3
https://avondhupress.ie/mazda-announces-irish-pricing-and-specification-for-the-all-new-mazda3/

120bhp n/a 2.0l petrol

What has happened Mazda?

Bleating Lamb

amen wrote: »

I had VW Passat 1999 finally got rid with about 360,000 miles on it. ( I had it 11 years and put 310,000 miles on it)

My current Skoda Superb has about 240,000 KM on it. I hope to get up to 600,000 Km

That’s some mileage you aim to put on....is it a diesel?

I'd prefer petrol (I do bigger miles than OP). Diesel's are a pain in the hole for maintenance. Cost more to service, and more to buy in the first place, so the extra expense of petrol at the pump is probably balanced out at the end of the year anyway.

Albeit, OP might be looking at a brand new car, in which case I've no idea on pricing. Diesel seems due to get a kicking in upcoming budgets, electric and hybrids are breathing down petrol/diesel's necks, dunno if I'd be going out and buying a brand new diesel if I was watching my wallet, personally. I think in a few years Diesel will be very much out of favour with the regular joe soaps of the country.

Most people I know with Diesel's wouldn't go Diesel again (though I appreciate that's very much anecdotal in nature).

Belfast

Mike9832 wrote: »

120bhp n/a 2.0l petrol

What has happened Mazda?

The engine is not turbo charged.

Can Mazda save the petrol engine?
In the beginning there was the internal combustion engine, and it was pretty good. Moved the world, gave us motorsport and ice-cream vans, and only the slight drawback that it depends on a finite resource which it burns inefficiently with poisonous and planet-harming consequences.

And so, with trust in diesel (unfairly) in the basement and the assumption that after a century of development, the petrol engine’s time was done, the world concentrated on digging up bits of the Periodic Table to make batteries for electric and hybrid cars. And banning combustion engines from future cities.

Most of the world, that is. Except Mazda.

Mazda has a history of breaking off from the herd, especially when it comes to engines. Wankel rotary, anyone? Stop sniggering. And then there was ‘rightsizing’. While the VW Group, Fiat, Ford – the whole industry, even Ferrari – chopped cylinders and shrunk capacity from their engines and turbocharged everything in sight, Mazda ignored the trend. Stuck with 2.0-litre petrol engines, zero turbos, and while its cars couldn’t play the NEDC exam for laughs, driving them in the real world did tend to score similar economy. Mazda is small and likes to be brave.

Those engines were called SkyActiv-G, and used a very high compression ratio to maintain efficiency. The next generation of petrol Mazda engines take that principle to a new extreme. They’re branded as SkyActiv-X (pic 2, above), and instead of being hybridised or turbocharged, they use a piece of diesel nous to accelerate the chase for ‘the perfect engine’.

To explain what it does, we’ll need to get a bit technical, but don’t worry. If I’ve been able to understand it, it’s not rocket science (sorry, Elon). The more interesting question is perhaps why Mazda has decided to plough on pouring vast quantities of money – they won’t admit how much – into the internal combustion engine. We’ll come back to that.

To all intents and purpsoes, a SkyActiv-X petrol engine is a naturally aspirated 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine. Mazda says it could do smaller or larger engines in principle – the tech would be applicable – but there’s no need right now.

snip.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/can-mazda-save-petrol-engine

Car Tech 101: Mazda's Skyactiv engine technology is really something

Belfast

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd prefer petrol (I do bigger miles than OP). Diesel's are a pain in the hole for maintenance. Cost more to service, and more to buy in the first place, so the extra expense of petrol at the pump is probably balanced out at the end of the year anyway.

Albeit, OP might be looking at a brand new car, in which case I've no idea on pricing. Diesel seems due to get a kicking in upcoming budgets, electric and hybrids are breathing down petrol/diesel's necks, dunno if I'd be going out and buying a brand new diesel if I was watching my wallet, personally. I think in a few years Diesel will be very much out of favour with the regular joe soaps of the country.

Most people I know with Diesel's wouldn't go Diesel again (though I appreciate that's very much anecdotal in nature).

indeed. Diesel do have their problems.

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NIMAN

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd prefer petrol (I do bigger miles than OP). Diesel's are a pain in the hole for maintenance. Cost more to service, and more to buy in the first place, so the extra expense of petrol at the pump is probably balanced out at the end of the year anyway.

Albeit, OP might be looking at a brand new car, in which case I've no idea on pricing. Diesel seems due to get a kicking in upcoming budgets, electric and hybrids are breathing down petrol/diesel's necks, dunno if I'd be going out and buying a brand new diesel if I was watching my wallet, personally. I think in a few years Diesel will be very much out of favour with the regular joe soaps of the country.

Most people I know with Diesel's wouldn't go Diesel again (though I appreciate that's very much anecdotal in nature).

Has anyone else noticed that the price of petrol cars is on the rise?

I have been keeping an eye on the 2018 market, and I notice that cars with a low number of petrols available, such as VW Passats, the petrols are pricey.

So are the dealers already raising the price of used petrols to cash in on the increasing number of buyers who are trying to get back into petrol?

bazz26

Supply and demand influences prices. Demand for petrol cars has increased as they become more fashionable again yet supply is still relatively small so prices climb.