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  • 23-04-2019 9:41pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭


    Not looking for medical advice. Had MRI and all good apparently.

    But things ain't all good at all.

    You know that feeling when running down a hill and it's....not right. I have that.

    And I've just a general hanging around all day feeling of unstable...something, something.

    I don't know. Not pain but I'm not running now because of it.

    What to do? Where to go? What to try? Needles?

    I went straight for the most expensive thing (MRI, both knees, Ireland is a rip off) just to get a fecking OK, this hasn't been right for awhile now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    vargoo wrote: »
    Not looking for medical advice. Had MRI and all good apparently.

    But things ain't all good at all.

    You know that feeling when running down a hill and it's....not right. I have that.

    And I've just a general hanging around all day feeling of unstable...something, something.

    I don't know. Not pain but I'm not running now because of it.

    What to do? Where to go? What to try? Needles?

    I went straight for the most expensive thing (MRI, both knees, Ireland is a rip off) just to get a fecking OK, this hasn't been right for awhile now.

    Where are you based? getting your general location might help to advise you on where/who to see.
    It could really be a multitude of things


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 473 ✭✭Pissartist


    It band


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭rom


    vargoo wrote: »
    Not looking for medical advice. Had MRI and all good apparently.

    But things ain't all good at all.

    You know that feeling when running down a hill and it's....not right. I have that.

    And I've just a general hanging around all day feeling of unstable...something, something.

    I don't know. Not pain but I'm not running now because of it.

    What to do? Where to go? What to try? Needles?

    I went straight for the most expensive thing (MRI, both knees, Ireland is a rip off) just to get a fecking OK, this hasn't been right for awhile now.

    Find a physio that is a good runner/triathlete/club athlete and get advise from them.

    Also you could find a doctor that specialises in Sports Medicine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 Censored11


    Doing too much maybe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭rom


    Censored11 wrote: »
    Doing too much maybe.
    Definitely maybe ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 Censored11


    rom wrote: »
    Definitely maybe ?
    Good album. Well done.

    OP when I get that feeling in my knees, its because I'm doing too much training. I get on the bike to take the ground contact pressure off the legs for a while.


  • Registered Users Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Unthought Known


    See a good physio. Your knees could be the symptom rather than cause.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    See a good physio. Your knees could be the symptom rather than cause.

    This.

    Find a good physio/sports therapist with a background in running/sport and get advice from them. Might cost you a few quid but will be worth it in the long term.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭rom


    Censored11 wrote: »
    Good album. Well done.

    OP when I get that feeling in my knees, its because I'm doing too much training. I get on the bike to take the ground contact pressure off the legs for a while.

    The advise given to the OP may also resolve your issue. Most people here have a fair idea what it probably is but it is always best that a professional makes that determination.


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    OH OH, OP here, so receptionist told me all was OK but Doc told me today I have wear of Medial Cartilage in one knee. I have to go in and have a chat with her next week.

    Ah balls.

    Before I go down the google rabbit hole, does everyone in their early 30s have this and it's just cuz I got MRI that I know I have it?

    Are my running days over already!?

    Will this heal if it gets treatment?

    Ah balls...


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    We all have one knee and one set of cartilage and it's something that wears out over your life. There is always wear and tear and it's not something that really heals.

    Wait til you talk to the doctor before doing anything major.

    If it's minor wear and you do physio to strengthen the muscles around things may be good and you might not notice anything for another 20 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    OP I take these and for what it's worth I have no knee trouble. I've no connection to the supplying company, am just a regular customer:

    https://www.ambermed.ie/product/omega-joint-xtra/


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    We all have one knee and one set of cartilage and it's something that wears out over your life. There is always wear and tear and it's not something that really heals.

    Wait til you talk to the doctor before doing anything major.

    If it's minor wear and you do physio to strengthen the muscles around things may be good and you might not notice anything for another 20 years.
    Assuming minor wear, would people keep running??

    I'd be happy enough to just continue doing parkrun!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    OP I take these and for what it's worth I have no knee trouble. I've no connection to the supplying company, am just a regular customer:

    https://www.ambermed.ie/product/omega-joint-xtra/

    Jury seems to be still out of they do anything at all??


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    vargoo wrote: »
    Jury seems to be still out of they do anything at all??

    Yes, most scientific studies have shown negligible improvement, if any, when taking these supplements. But if people find it helps, whether it's placebo or not, does it really matter?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    vargoo wrote: »
    Jury seems to be still out of they do anything at all??
    cmac2009 wrote: »
    Yes, most scientific studies have shown negligible improvement, if any, when taking these supplements. But if people find it helps, whether it's placebo or not, does it really matter?

    Really? Wow, well now, I could have sworn that these were keeping me together, but you never know, maybe they're doing nothing at all.

    @cmac2009 to be honest, at almost 50€ a tub, if they're doing nothing for me, I'd rather keep the money!


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Really? Wow, well now, I could have sworn that these were keeping me together, but you never know, maybe they're doing nothing at all.

    @cmac2009 to be honest, at almost 50€ a tub, if they're doing nothing for me, I'd rather keep the money!

    Banana, they may not be doing your kidneys any favours either. Liver does most of the work but kidneys process some of them.

    At $12 billion spent on them in US alone last year you'd think they'd do a proper study and see if they work!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Really? Wow, well now, I could have sworn that these were keeping me together, but you never know, maybe they're doing nothing at all.

    @cmac2009 to be honest, at almost 50€ a tub, if they're doing nothing for me, I'd rather keep the money!

    You can take EPA/ DHA ( fish oil) from many sources and certainly from a lot cheaper sources. There are many benefits as well, but I'm not sure that the product you linked would keep you from falling apart never mind repair you if you do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Thanks a lot for the info guys, feeling a bit stupid that I didn't read up on them myself first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    vargoo wrote: »
    Assuming minor wear, would people keep running??

    I'd be happy enough to just continue doing parkrun!!

    First of all you will need to see what your GP says.

    Usually cartilage will not repair itself beyond a certain age ( mid teens)
    A lot of people make a choice to have an operation to "fix" it, that said I know some people who have have cartilage damage and still run.
    Also cartilage shouldn't wear out unless there's some biomechanical or compression issue that causes excessive force to it.

    Try find someone who can properly assess you running gait and look for areas that might need to be release and identify areas that need specific strength work...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Thanks a lot for the info guys, feeling a bit stupid that I didn't read up on them myself first.

    Very easy to get caught up in the hype I'm afraid


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Ceepo wrote: »
    You can take EPA/ DHA ( fish oil) from many sources and certainly from a lot cheaper sources. There are many benefits as well, but I'm not sure that the product you linked would keep you from falling apart never mind repair you if you do.
    I use to take a really expensive one of them myself but latest on them is they're no addition either!
    Ceepo wrote: »
    First of all you will need to see what your GP says.

    Usually cartilage will not repair itself beyond a certain age ( mid teens)
    A lot of people make a choice to have an operation to "fix" it, that said I know some people who have have cartilage damage and still run.
    Also cartilage shouldn't wear out unless there's some biomechanical or compression issue that causes excessive force to it.

    Try find someone who can properly assess you running gait and look for areas that might need to be release and identify areas that need specific strength work...
    Interesting, compression, sometimes thats the feeling I do have but I've always said "how, can't be" but now....if it is, what could have been causing this?? Am I really twisted up in some way???

    GP visit first as you say then physio regardless what he says out of curiosity...I've been to a few over the years, it's been years though, never thought much of any of the ones I've seen.

    That's why I went MRI first this time.

    Physio ends up costing the same for what in my exp is not a a lot.

    Was given insoles by one for a back injury, must be 15 years ago that left my ankles in a bad way (pain) so couldn't wear them. He said my problem was my feet, my back was fine a few weeks later and never gave me any more trouble.

    A charlatan as my mother would say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Ceepo wrote: »

    Usually cartilage will not repair itself beyond a certain age ( mid teens)
    A lot of people make a choice to have an operation to "fix" it,
    A quick google, (I don't want to spend hours yet) says outer cartilage (pinky?) can heal somewhat but the white stuff, not a chance.

    The operations look like stone age stuff, christ almighty, butchery in everything but name.

    I thought stem cell regeneration would have been perfected by the time this was gonna be an issue for me....for an active person this is a nail in the coffin.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    vargoo wrote: »
    Assuming minor wear, would people keep running??

    I'd be happy enough to just continue doing parkrun!!

    I would definitely think more about my exercise. I'd be much more likely to limit my running. Try and replace a session or two a week with something with no impact like the bike and try to to run on surfaces with less impact.

    More than anything though I would listen to the doctors.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    I would definitely think more about my exercise. I'd be much more likely to limit my running. Try and replace a session or two a week with something with no impact like the bike and try to to run on surfaces with less impact.

    More than anything though I would listen to the doctors.
    As the old saying goes "doctors differ and patients die"


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    I had cartillage removed/tidied in my knee through keyhole surgery and I am running 4 or 5 days a week the last few years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    vargoo wrote: »
    A quick google, (I don't want to spend hours yet) says outer cartilage (pinky?) can heal somewhat but the white stuff, not a chance.

    The operations look like stone age stuff, christ almighty, butchery in everything but name.

    I thought stem cell regeneration would have been perfected by the time this was gonna be an issue for me....for an active person this is a nail in the coffin.

    Due to very little to no blood supply to cartilage the chances of regeneration are very slim..

    Unfortunately stem cell seems a bit of yet. I see there is a company in Cork and Dublin offering this service, and to read the web site it seems to be a great success. One testimony said the pain went almost straight away, but my understanding is it take months to regenerate, but I'm very sceptical at the best of times.
    If they showed a before and afte MRI of cartilage that showed regeneration then I certainly would be less sceptical..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    vargoo wrote: »
    I use to take a really expensive one of them myself but latest on them is they're no addition either!

    Interesting, compression, sometimes thats the feeling I do have but I've always said "how, can't be" but now....if it is, what could have been causing this?? Am I really twisted up in some way???

    GP visit first as you say then physio regardless what he says out of curiosity...I've been to a few over the years, it's been years though, never thought much of any of the ones I've seen.

    That's why I went MRI first this time.

    Physio ends up costing the same for what in my exp is not a a lot.

    Was given insoles by one for a back injury, must be 15 years ago that left my ankles in a bad way (pain) so couldn't wear them. He said my problem was my feet, my back was fine a few weeks later and never gave me any more trouble.

    A charlatan as my mother would say.

    Why would you think it could not be compression?
    The body should have tension and integration, if it doesn't then it has to make adaptations which will cause another part of the body to compromise.

    There might also be a rotation of the knee or hip that would add to compression forces on the cartilage.

    Sorry to hear about your experience of Physiotherapists, and for sure there's a lot of as you say charlatans out there, even under the the pedestal of the charted Physiotherapists put themselves on..

    There is however a few good guys out there...

    As I said previously, try to see someone who can analyse your running gait (and not in a running store)
    Then identify areas that are restricted and retension the areas that need it..

    Unfortunately there's not many around in my experience who do this..
    I'd be happy to recommend someone to you if you're interested..


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    I've had 50% medial meniscus removed 18 months, but came back twice as strong. I know people who had just minor clean ups and don't return to run.

    Most people confuse menisci with cartilage.

    The difference between me and some people I know is my cartilage was in perfect shape. But now I'm with out half of my meniscus it will wear away the cartilage eventually. Surgeon said 10 years if I run like I was (50 miles a week). Im almost 40 so I plan on doing the 6 majors and quitting, even though I am in the best shape of my life.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Why would you think it could not be compression?
    The body should have tension and integration, if it doesn't then it has to make adaptations which will cause another part of the body to compromise.

    There might also be a rotation of the knee or hip that would add to compression forces on the cartilage.

    As I said previously, try to see someone who can analyse your running gait (and not in a running store)
    Then identify areas that are restricted and retension the areas that need it..

    Unfortunately there's not many around in my experience who do this..
    I'd be happy to recommend someone to you if you're interested..
    Thanks for offer, but of the only 2 near me that are on google, one actually does gait anaysis!

    I get the same compressed feeling when I stand on the bike pedals to go up a hill aswell...looking forward to getting untwisted!!!


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