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Gemini Man

  • 23-04-2019 2:23pm
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    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 54,492 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mr E


    Gemini Man is an innovative action-thriller starring Will Smith as Henry Brogan, an elite assassin, who is suddenly targeted and pursued by a mysterious young operative that seemingly can predict his every move. The film is directed by Academy Award®-winning filmmaker Ang Lee and produced by renowned producers Jerry Bruckheimer, David Ellison, Dana Goldberg and Don Granger. Also starring are Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Clive Owen and Benedict Wong. Gemini Man opens in theaters October 11, 2019.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,695 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp


    The de-ageing looks decent; that's ultimately where the film's going to be judged really, and bar a few spots it looked OK. The future of blockbuster cinema is going to be a very strange place; 'gerry-action' will probably become a thing of the past, with digitally de-aged septuagenarians shooting up the place.

    Also, welcome back to Hollywood Clive Owen, been a while since he starred in anything you'd seen in a cinema.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56,306 ✭✭✭✭ Agent Coulson


    A man I thought this was a remake of the 70's TV series. :(


    Ang Lee & Jerry Bruckheimer a match made in heaven.

    I'm In.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭ Arghus


    Feels like a meta-commentary on the fading star power of Will Smith. He's playing off against a younger fresher version of himself.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,695 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp


    Arghus wrote: »
    Feels like a meta-commentary on the fading star power of Will Smith. He's playing off against a younger fresher version of himself.

    They must have paid a princely sum for his services, all the same :)

    *gets coat*


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭ McLoughlin


    So Will Smith finally gets to work with his favorite actor


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭ bnt


    There's a new featurette out with some behind-the-scenes action:

    Parvi enim sunt foris arma, nisi est consilium domi.



  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭ El Duda


    Digital De-Aging: The Movie


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭ Tazzimus


    In fairness, Will Smith has barely aged as it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Also, welcome back to Hollywood Clive Owen, been a while since he starred in anything you'd seen in a cinema.
    For such a good actor, with some very decent starring roles in his past and having given good performance when just a bit character in other actor's vehicles (e.g. his role in The Bourne Identity) his star never seems to have reached the peak I'd have expected.

    Is he hard to work with? Or does he have a useless agent / terrible choice of scripts or what?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭ bnt


    My impression is that he doesn’t feel he has anything to prove. He’s a family man with a lot of money, enjoying the good life. Bad scripts don’t seem to hurt him much e.g. Wild Wild West, or the original Bad Boys script that left him and Martin Lawrence to improvise most of their dialogue.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    I was talking about Clive Owen ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 56,306 ✭✭✭✭ Agent Coulson


    Saw the trailer on the big screen for the first time today and the de-aging of Smith doesn't look great at all to my eyes.


    Clive Owen been busy making ads for Betfair getting in on the Ray Winstone money from Betting companies.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    I wish Ang Lee would stop trying to make high frame rate a thing. Everything just looks so cheap :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭ Josey Wales


    Any cinema in Ireland showing this in 120fps?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭ Relikk


    I wish Ang Lee would stop trying to make high frame rate a thing. Everything just looks so cheap :(

    Only ever saw The Hobbit movies in that format, but it really is such a non-cinematic style. It's like sitting in the front rows of a theatre, watching a stage play.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,253 ✭✭✭✭ branie2


    I really enjoyed it


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,732 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC


    Just back from watching this today and have to say I really enjoyed it. So much better than the last overrated dull film I went t see aka ''The Joker.

    This is funny, it has action, it has a clever story with twists and turns.

    It was very strange watching the young Will smith and hearing the same voice coming out of him and when they are both together it was quiet funny.

    I would give it 7 out of 10.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,681 ✭✭✭ Slydice


    Hrmmm..

    Doesn't look like you are the only ones.
    Slydice wrote: »


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    saw the motorbike fight clip, the digital character doesn't have enough weight


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,732 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC


    Slydice wrote: »
    Hrmmm..

    Doesn't look like you are the only ones.

    I disagree with the subpar story part. If you want to see a predictable subpar story go watch Joker. The story in this is very good actually.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭ ronano


    AMKC wrote: »
    I disagree with the subpar story part. If you want to see a predictable subpar story go watch Joker. The story in this is very good actually.

    Lol, I'll be honest your enthusiasm for Gemini half makes me want to see it and I probably will if only for Smith's charisma. You're beating a dead horse with the Joker comments!


  • Registered Users Posts: 75,375 ✭✭✭✭ JP Liz V1


    Sleepy wrote: »
    I was talking about Clive Owen ;)

    He was rumoured for Bond at one time, could now be a decent villain

    Is Will on a comeback, Aladdin did well money wise, can this


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 54,492 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mr E


    Saw it today. Enjoyed this. Reviews were harsh.

    Definitely a bit of uncanny valley with junior though


  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭ El Duda


    FAO people bemused at the high RT audience score

    People who willingly pay money to see Will Smith films are among the most easily pleased people on earth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭✭✭ ubald.stone


    A man I thought this was a remake of the 70's TV series. :(


    Ang Lee & Jerry Bruckheimer a match made in heaven.

    I'm In.

    Me too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭ Homelander


    I have to say I thought this was a steaming pile of crap, I'm baffled at how it supposedly cost $140m to make. The plot and script are terrible, direction is weak, the CGI is seriously subpar with horrible and obvious green screen, and the de-aging CGI is probably the worst I've seen in a film of this budget in recent years - felt like I was watching a video game cutscene half the time. I don't mind subpar CGI when it's complimentary to the film, but in this case, it's literally at the films core.

    I honestly think it's the worst film I've seen all year. It looks and plays out like a straight to DVD movie, not a massive blockbuster. I thought Bright was genuinely a good and terribly under-rated movie despite the huge gap between critic/audience scores, but I'm totally with the critics on this one. It's a total turd, 2/10 is being generous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭ mrmorgan


    AMKC wrote: »
    Just back from watching this today and have to say I really enjoyed it. So much better than the last overrated dull film I went t see aka ''The Joker.

    This is funny, it has action, it has a clever story with twists and turns.

    It was very strange watching the young Will smith and hearing the same voice coming out of him and when they are both together it was quiet funny.

    I would give it 7 out of 10.

    if this is serious, I question your taste in movies.


    Joker is a total classic and as for this........


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,062 ✭✭✭✭ Kirby


    Homelander wrote: »
    the de-aging CGI is probably the worst I've seen in a film of this budget in recent years - felt like I was watching a video game cutscene half the time.

    I'm not having a go at you in particular but I hear people say this all the time and it completely baffles me. I'm convinced people who say this don't actually play games because no game, ever, has come close to this type of CG.

    Yes, I personally found the fight scene CG pretty poorly done with not enough weight and heft given to the actors. They were also too fast which breaks the immersion. But you specifically mentioned the de-ageing which is just leagues ahead of what games can do from a realism and uncanny valley point of view.

    For example, the SWTOR cutscenes are widely regarded as some of the best game CG cutscenes out there despite being a decade old.



    And they cost 100 million. 99% of games are using in-engine rendered cutscenes that look far, far worse.

    Detroit : Become Human, God of War and Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice are examples of really good looking human faces in recent games and they still fall short of what we see in movies like this. The Unreal Engine and CryEngine are the pinnacles of visual graphics technology in 2020 and neither can create a human as realistic as young Will Smith in this......or even the "poor" efforts from the Irishman.

    So please, stop saying things like the above quote. It's frighteningly inaccurate.

    As for the movie itself, I found it enjoyable enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭ Homelander


    People say that because the effect looks distinctly non-realistic in the same sense that game efforts at emulating people are often impressive, but there's no mistaking the difference between what's real and what's not.

    Watching young Will Smith in Gemini Man looked exactly like watching a cutscene from something like Modern Warfare at times - the texture, subtle movements, all entirely and very blatantly betray the fact it's not a real person, despite it being impressive a) in principle at times and b) at some points; I found consistency to be a major problem.

    It's not just nitpicking at de-aging tech - it's very notably inferior to what Marvel achieved in Captain Marvel, the argument is nothing to do with de-aging tech and everything to do with Gemini Man, specifically.

    You've also highlighted the point above about the motorbike scene, and compounded it by posting that Star Wars clip - the Gemini Man motorbike scene was blatantly CGI and quite poor CGI at that, lacking any sense of presence or weight, i.e, looked like a video game cutscene once again.

    Once again, it's nothing to do with CGI in general and everything to do with Gemini Man itself. It has poor, ropey green screen and weak CGI in spots, there are films out there that cost much less, and have vastly superior CGI that feels far more grounded and truer to the real world it resides in.

    I also don't ultimately get your argument, Gemini Man's de-aging tech being superior to characters models in video games ≠ 'it feels like a video game' being an invalid opinion regardless.

    So, you can continue to be baffled and I'll continue to believe that Gemini Man feels like watching a video game cutscene in the worst possible sense at regular intervals. And yes, I play a lot of video games.


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