5000 applicants turn down social housing

Geuze

jay0109 wrote: »

Whats our disability and long term illness rates looking like compared to other EU countries?
Or a better way of looking at it- what's out labour force participation rate v's the general adult population?

We have had consistent rises in the numbers on DA:

https://igees.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/An-analysis-of-Disability-Allowance-inflows-and-outflows.pdf

Kidchameleon

Sheeps wrote: »

The homeless figures could be next to zero if they just built some houses.

That will never happen. "Homelessness" is an industry

Eric Cartman

Sheeps wrote: »

What difference does the homeless figures in different countries make? It's no more acceptable to people homeless. The homeless figures could be next to zero if they just built some houses.

But some people want those houses built in south dublin, other people want those houses built in north dublin , some people understand thats completely unfair on working people and want the houses built not in dublin, a load in emergency accomodation are holding out for a new build in only dublin, and policy has allowed them to do that.

If we were as I would like to see the world , theyd all be told to jog on, no free houses for anyone

But ill gladly settle for ‘youre not getting a gaf in dublin, take one in any rural declining town of your choice or you get nothing’

metricspaces

Sheeps wrote: »

What difference does the homeless figures in different countries make?

It's very relevant. There will always be homeless people, the question is what are the facts and figures around this and how do they compare with other countries of similar living standards and similiar resources.

voluntary

NIMAN wrote: »

Some figures for Europe :

Czech Rep 0.65%
Germany 0.50%
UK 0.46%
Sweden 0.36%
Luxembourg 0.28%
Ireland 0.21%
France 0.21%
Greece 0.18%
Austria 0.17%
Holland 0.17%
Finland 0.13%

I can only imagine the air time it must get on the Czech, German or UK news outlets, when our rate is less than half of the UKs, and a third of the Czech Republics.

Where are these numbers coming from?

NasserShammaz

voluntary wrote: »

Where are these numbers coming from?

What % of the Irish are those that put their name down on the housing list the day they turned 18, just after they signed on for the first time and why is it allowed to have such a low level of ambition for yours or your children's life.

voluntary

NasserShammaz wrote: »

What % of the Irish are those that put their name down on the housing list the day they turned 18, just after they signed on for the first time and why is it allowed to have such a low level of ambition for yours or your children's life.

While I agree in general that the level of support towards working people is too high (makes people lazy basically) that I DO NOT agree with a statement in bold.
We're not not a nazi state to allow od disallow ambition or set any levels by regulation or even consensus. We're still a relatively free country, thankfully.

Sheeps

Sheeps wrote: »

What difference does the homeless figures in different countries make? It's no more acceptable to people homeless. The homeless figures could be next to zero if they just built some houses.

80,000 houses built in the last 5 years. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/up-to-80000-homes-exempt-from-property-tax-until-2021-915832.html

metricspaces

NasserShammaz wrote: »

What % of the Irish are those that put their name down on the housing list the day they turned 18, just after they signed on for the first time and why is it allowed to have such a low level of ambition for yours or your children's life.

The number of homeless people and the number of people on the housing list are two separate figures right?

Some figures here, but most are out of date to do a meaningful comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population . (Article here questioning how comparable the stats are https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-rates-facts-3695697-Nov2017/ )

Was France in the midst of a homelessness crises in 2012 when it had exact same homelessness figure as Ireland in 2019? How about the UK in 2016 when they over double the homeless of Ireland in 2019?

4068ac1elhodqr

Few interesting stats:

21% of families homeless last year, were born outside EU
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0401/1039821-homelessness-dublin-city-council-report/

The report also points out that the Dublin area accounts for 68% of the current national homeless population.
The number of homeless families increased by +58% in the two years between March 2016 and March 2018 alone.

overkill602

having a homeless crisis movement is welcome stuff to tax funded homeless charities unfortunately there are some hard cases but the players are dividing the public opinion i want these charities disbanded now
Outside EU claimants should be excluded form the register

tretorn

We are never going to get to grips with the housing problem.

The numbers on the housing list from outside the EU is enormous and thats just the ones here already. The council have to house these single economic migrants so they will give them a bedsit somewhere. The single male will then apply for family reunification and next thing he will have twelve dependents here and so will require at least a four bedroomed house.

The houses are allocated according to need so the Irish person waiting a decade for housing will be pushed down by economic migrants and their families, some of these irish people may have waited ten years for a house and they will wait another ten while the numbers of refugees/migrants . continue to stream in.

I read an article last week about a woman who came from Africa, she was given asylum but no reason as to why. We were informed she "got" an apartment but it wasnt clear was it social housing. She was annoyed because she had to pay non European fees for third level, eh, hello........ and she didnt want to do care work because she fancied a job in the media. This is the carry on now and its ridiculous.

Eric Cartman

Mohamed Millions Tadpole wrote: »

Few interesting stats:

21% of families homeless last year, were born outside EU
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0401/1039821-homelessness-dublin-city-council-report/

The report also points out that the Dublin area accounts for 68% of the current national homeless population.
The number of homeless families increased by +58% in the two years between March 2016 and March 2018 alone.

they should automatically be placed at the bottom of the list until every irish person followed by non irish eu residents are dealt with.

tretorn

The houses are allocated based on need though so if non EU people arrive and are given leave to stay and they have lots of dependents then they go to the top of the list.

We need to seriously look at the amount of people arriving, we dont have the resources to deal with an unending stream of refugees/migrants and whats happening now is the well educated young Irish are leaving because they cant afford to live here, they cant save for a deposit and they cant afford children, these young people are funding the taxes that so many other people and their children are benefitting from and the young worker can barely survive.

bri007

Germany have a similar problem as well, the majority of their homeless now is migrants and refugees. Isn’t that a factor for the U.K. wanting out of the EU to have more control of this, or am o wrong on that?

tretorn wrote: »

The houses are allocated based on need though so if non EU people arrive and are given leave to stay and they have lots of dependents then they go to the top of the list.

We need to seriously look at the amount of people arriving, we dont have the resources to deal with an unending stream of refugees/migrants and whats happening now is the well educated young Irish are leaving because they cant afford to live here, they cant save for a deposit and they cant afford children, these young people are funding the taxes that so many other people and their children are benefitting from and the young worker can barely survive.

metricspaces

Mohamed Millions Tadpole wrote: »

Few interesting stats:

21% of families homeless last year, were born outside EU
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0401/1039821-homelessness-dublin-city-council-report/

The report also points out that the Dublin area accounts for 68% of the current national homeless population.
The number of homeless families increased by +58% in the two years between March 2016 and March 2018 alone.

Like the "housing crises" our "homelessness crises" is really just isolated to Dublin then.

Is it really a homelessness crises? Or is it an expectation issue - homeless people expecting a house in Dublin?

Eric Cartman

metricspaces wrote: »

Like the "housing crises" our "homelessness crises" is really just isolated to Dublin then.

Is it really a homelessness crises? Or is it an expectation issue - homeless people expecting a house in Dublin?

id say 50% of the 'crisis' is just that considering dublin is 68% of the demand. Id imagine kildare and wicklows demand is mostly dubs who got a little more realistic but arent quite where everyone needs to be yet.

metricspaces

Possibly there is a homelessness crises. But it would be good to see facts and analysis with comparison to other countries.

What is the figure that we need to reach to be out of the crises? Or is it just when the media say the crises is over then it's over?

If you believed everything from our media we have a the worst social housing policy, the worst house construction, the worst health service, on and on. And every other country is a utopian.

metricspaces

metricspaces wrote: »

Possibly there is a homelessness crises. But it would be good to see facts and analysis with comparison to other countries.

What is the figure that we need to reach to be out of the crises? Or is it just when the media say the crises is over then it's over?

If you believed everything from our media we have a the worst social housing policy, the worst house construction, the worst health service, on and on. And every other country is a utopian.

There will always be a homeless crisis as long as there’s even one, let alone the multitude we now have of homeless “Charities”

Eric Cartman

I see thismorning that margaret ‘almost 40 convictions’ cash has received a 4 bed free forever home in dublin.

Our social housing allocation system is massively broken

ebbsy

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ridiculous people who don't work and never will get to choose and have a forever home in a city or town where people such as me that works can't afford to live anywhere near the city.


I've had to buy 2 counties away or stay renting at a extortionate rate where at least all of one of our incomes was going on this alone.

How can this be.

Working people should be able to get housing where they need it not those who don't....

Same here.

If they d'ont want a house then throw them out on the street.

TheChizler

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I see thismorning that margaret ‘almost 40 convictions’ cash has received a 4 bed free forever home in dublin.

Our social housing allocation system is massively broken

Surely there's some sort of rent being paid?

TheChizler

TheChizler wrote: »

Surely there's some sort of rent being paid?

by whom

TheChizler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

by whom

By the person named in that post.

Pkiernan

TheChizler wrote: »

By the person named in that post.

Don't see the tax payer named there

TheChizler

Pkiernan wrote: »

Don't see the tax payer named there

Maybe her income comes from the state but she still has to pay part of it towards rent. The house isn't free, it's heavily subsidised.

NasserShammaz

TheChizler wrote: »

Maybe her income comes from the state but she still has to pay part of it towards rent. The house isn't free, it's heavily subsidised.

It's free for her because it's heavily subsidised by the tax payer. She plays no role other than moving other people's money around

NIMAN

I would agree that your criminal record should affect your weighting when it comes to allocation.

oh good this again

everything she gets is free. including the 30 quid a week she may or may not pay towards the cost of the rent that the taxpayer covers the rest of for her.

TheChizler

NasserShammaz wrote: »

It's free for her because it's heavily subsidised by the tax payer. She plays no role other than moving other people's money around

You could say that about anyone really, with varying amounts of work involved

Just call it what it is: a subsidised house, which in her case is likely ultimately paid for by social welfare and other supports. Calling social housing "free houses" isn't accurate and doesn't help solve the clusterf**c of a situation, just riles up anger and resentment. It's very easy to argue against social housing when it's called "free houses", people have to put a little more thought into their arguments when you call it what it is.