Toyota Corolla hybrid

Gael23

Any feedback on these? They look to be fairly decent ?
What is real world MPG?

Purgative

Father in law has just got one, so a bit too soon to say on the mpg. But its a very tidy car.

Gael23

They claim 70mpg which seams a bit hard to be possible
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What spec did your father in law get?

Purgative

That does seem a bit optimistic.


Reasonably sure its the Luna.

uncle_sam_ie

We just got the Luna Sport Saloon last week. We've done 479 Kilometers with a bit over half tank left. Still too early to tell though. It's nice car to drive. We're very happy with it.

Dobbit

Test driven it twice in the last couple of weeks, no feedback on the mpg but I found it decent to drive. My only complaint is that I wish the back seat was slightly roomier but my kids are small so I guess they won't complain. Going in to order tomorrow, just need to pick a colour!

Gael23

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

We just got the Luna Sport Saloon last week. We've done 479 Kilometers with a bit over half tank left. Still too early to tell though. It's nice car to drive. We're very happy with it.

That’s roughly 52mpg but you can’t really tell after 400km I suppose

Dobbit

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

We just got the Luna Sport Saloon last week. We've done 479 Kilometers with a bit over half tank left. Still too early to tell though. It's nice car to drive. We're very happy with it.

Is that the denim blue?

uncle_sam_ie

We're driving from North Cork (Fermoy area) to Cork city. Mixed driving. So, country roads to Watergrasshill then onto the motor way and into the city. City driving is where it does really well.

uncle_sam_ie

Celestite Grey

unkel

Gael23 wrote: »

They claim 70mpg which seams a bit hard to be possible

Entirely possible according to Toyota. Especially if you do a lot of driving around town. The car charges itself, doesn't it?

Gael23

What speed does the petrol engine cut in?

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

What speed does the petrol engine cut in?

Once it goes over about 30-40kmph it will kick in....

Gael23

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Once it goes over about 30-40kmph it will kick in....

It really would come into its own in town then

zilog_jones

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Once it goes over about 30-40kmph it will kick in....

It's more complicated than that. It mostly depends on throttle position - if you push it hard, the ICE will kick in. I think on the new Toyotas, with light or no throttle they can run without the ICE up to around 100 km/h. In the right conditions, you can cruise on a flat road at around 50-60 km/h for around 2-3 km with no engine, maybe a bit further with the new ones.

Shefwedfan

zilog_jones wrote: »

It's more complicated than that. It mostly depends on throttle position - if you push it hard, the ICE will kick in. I think on the new Toyotas, with light or no throttle they can run without the ICE up to around 100 km/h. In the right conditions, you can cruise on a flat road for around 2-3 km with no engine, maybe a bit further with the new ones.

Not in the RAV I had, I tested one day....going at a snail pace, the battery was still charged but even going very slow once I got over 40km(I think) the engine kicked in


Maybe it is different on the newer models as this was a 2018 RAV4 with the older engine in it

blackbox

You get nothing for nothing. Where the hybrids shine is where you are doing lots of braking because they collect the energy that would otherwise be wasted. So they are good on twisty country roads and in towns, but no benefit on motorway driving.

Gael23

blackbox wrote: »

You get nothing for nothing. Where the hybrids shine is where you are doing lots of braking because they collect the energy that would otherwise be wasted. So they are good on twisty country roads and in towns, but no benefit on motorway driving.

In fairness though most Irish roads are quite twisty

zilog_jones

blackbox wrote: »

...but no benefit on motorway driving.

They are series-parallel hybrids, the motor-generators are integral to the transmission so they're always doing something, regardless of speed or conditions, and the car can use electric and petrol power at the same time. I can't imagine there's many (any?) non-hybrid petrol cars that will do over 55 MPG at motorway speeds.

Also: There's no motorway in Ireland that's either straight nor flat.

bp_me

zilog_jones wrote: »

It's more complicated than that. It mostly depends on throttle position - if you push it hard, the ICE will kick in. I think on the new Toyotas, with light or no throttle they can run without the ICE up to around 100 km/h. In the right conditions, you can cruise on a flat road for around 2-3 km with no engine, maybe a bit further with the new ones.

While it's geared to be able to run electric only up to 100kph (ish) there is no way MG1 is getting you there on it's own. Also the only time the car will do something like that is at high SoC when it actively wants to discharge the pack quickly.

zilog_jones

I forgot some of that sentence - I meant only at lower speeds that you can cruise for some distance with no engine. And MG1 doesn't drive the wheels

What they may claim about the engine only running 50% of the time is achievable driving around town, but that's not going to mean you'll only use 50% of the fuel compared to a non-hybrid as it's all low load or idle situations when the ICE isn't running.

eagerv

Our Prius is now 9 years old, I'm sure the new versions of Toyota Hybrid Drive are a little more efficient.
When people ask me how it works I tell them it's just a slightly more efficient type of Atkinson cycle engine with a battery that acts like a turbo or booster.


With the laws of Physics, any time you force it to travel in EV mode, then you use more petrol filling up the battery again than if you had not used the EV mode in the first place. (Example using electric only around shopping centre etc)



Overall we are happy with the car, reliability has been excellent. Very relaxing to drive and of course automatic. My best estimate of fuel consumption varies a lot between winter and summer. (More than our non-hybrid car)


Motorway. 46 - 55 mpg

Town/City. 48 - 56 mpg

Country(Mainly max 80 kph). 55 - 62 mpg.


My wife now drives the Prius and I have a modern small Turbo petrol ICE. (Civic 1.5). Overall economy of the Civic is only slightly worse than the Prius except in the town where it's not so good. But Honda slightly better on the motorway. The Civic is also a lot more fun to drive (182 hp / 110 hp)



I don't think we will buy Hybrid again, times have moved on.

Old diesel

Dobbit wrote: »

Test driven it twice in the last couple of weeks, no feedback on the mpg but I found it decent to drive. My only complaint is that I wish the back seat was slightly roomier but my kids are small so I guess they won't complain. Going in to order tomorrow, just need to pick a colour!

If the cars you drove were hatchbacks then it's worth noting that the Saloon and Tourer (Estate) both have a longer wheelbase so a bit more legroom in the back.

zilog_jones

eagerv wrote: »

I don't think we will buy Hybrid again, times have moved on.

Hybrids have moved on a lot too - you're probably talking about a Gen 2 Prius (going by your figures), which was a new model 16 years ago. Of course, there are many more options for EVs and PHEVs now, if they suit.

Shefwedfan

eagerv wrote: »

I don't think we will buy Hybrid again, times have moved on.

In reality have times moved on? for most people they are still in a straight diesel and a good few in a straigt petrol. Yes hybrid is more popular now but only because Toyota stopped offering diesel.


Hybrid is a good option at the moment, no matter what you say it does reduce fuel requirements and it removes diesel off the road.


For most people electric is a step too far. Loads of issues around electric mean it is not viable yet for a large percentage of the market.



A lot of people are moving to Hybrid today and it is first time they have tried it.....hybrid will be around a long time

eagerv

Shefwedfan wrote: »

In reality have times moved on? for most people they are still in a straight diesel and a good few in a straigt petrol. Yes hybrid is more popular now but only because Toyota stopped offering diesel.


Hybrid is a good option at the moment, no matter what you say it does reduce fuel requirements and it removes diesel off the road.


For most people electric is a step too far. Loads of issues around electric mean it is not viable yet for a large percentage of the market.



A lot of people are moving to Hybrid today and it is first time they have tried it.....hybrid will be around a long time

I am just quoting our own personal experiences. Yes I am sure modern Hybrids are a little more efficient than our one, but in practice I think many people may be disappointed.
Where we were surprised was how efficient modern small turbo charged petrol engines are, for significantly less money. And much nicer to drive particularly on faster roads.

I agree about being better than diesel for many people, both our Hybrid and Turbo petrol are more economical than our last Skoda diesel (1.6 ) on a typical 6km short run we do.

We like our Prius and has served us very well.

Shefwedfan

eagerv wrote: »

I am just quoting our own personal experiences. Yes I am sure modern Hybrids are a little more efficient than our one, but in practice I think many people may be disappointed.
Where we were surprised was how efficient modern small turbo charged petrol engines are, for significantly less money. And much nicer to drive particularly on faster roads.


We like our Prius and has served us very well.

Not having a pop. When you stand back the Prius was released 10 years ago? times haven't really moved on and that is the problem.



Like any car it depends how you drive it, so take the Rav4 I had. It was my mates and I had it for 2 weeks. He runs at 8.4ltr/100km and he accepts he will never get below that.


I ran it for 2 weeks and got down to circa 7.6ltr/100km and though I was doing well. He has given to his misses, she is down to 6.4ltr/100km. She had a Prius plus before and was crazy low as well.....



A hybrid is a good option for some people, not for others.

eagerv

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not having a pop. When you stand back the Prius was released 10 years ago? times haven't really moved on and that is the problem.



Like any car it depends how you drive it, so take the Rav4 I had. It was my mates and I had it for 2 weeks. He runs at 8.4ltr/100km and he accepts he will never get below that.


I ran it for 2 weeks and got down to circa 7.6ltr/100km and though I was doing well. He has given to his misses, she is down to 6.4ltr/100km. She had a Prius plus before and was crazy low as well.....



A hybrid is a good option for some people, not for others.

Agree.


I keep records of all my driving. I'm a bit of a nerd I have probably kept a record of every fill up over my last million miles of driving.:).


I don't trust the on board computers even though they are improving.

I often try hyper mile a regular country run of about 80 kms and the best I have got from the Prius is 71 MPG actual (Computer 79). the best from the Civic is 64 MPG.


Where we find the Hybrid at it's worst is on the motorway. Still reasonable economy, but find the CVT transmission a little tiring with the hills.


Diesel is probably still the best for motorway mile munching, but modern petrols probably not far behind IMO.

eagerv

zilog_jones wrote: »

Hybrids have moved on a lot too - you're probably talking about a Gen 2 Prius (going by your figures), which was a new model 16 years ago. Of course, there are many more options for EVs and PHEVs now, if they suit.

Yes our Prius is a late mark2 (09). Great when new and still pretty efficient. We have literally spent nothing on it apart from new discs, pads and two 12v batteries. And traction battery still appears to be under warranty. (At last service still perfect)



Haven't driven the new Corolla hybrid yet, I am sure it's more efficient and better to drive than the older Prius.


The point I was trying to make is people should also look at the new small petrol engines as well. They have also improved considerably.

n97 mini

eagerv wrote: »

Our Prius is now 9 years old,

Motorway. 46 - 55 mpg

Town/City. 48 - 56 mpg

Country(Mainly max 80 kph). 55 - 62 mpg.

Just in comparison, my 15 year old Civic IMA gets:
Motorway (120km/h): 53mpg
Town: 48-65mpg
Country: 55-70mpg

zilog_jones

Yes, the small petrols have improved a lot, but the hybrids are also improving at the same rate.

A current Prius will easily do 60 MPG at motorway speeds now, whereas my previous generation would do more like 50-55 - but I'd never get below 50 at those speeds like yours. The new Corolla probably isn't far off the Gen 4 Prius, as it may be a less efficient car overall but is slightly newer technology.

The downside to the smaller petrols is they usually have turbos, and generally more things to go wrong. The hybrid powertrains do away with a lot of traditional components (starter motor, alternator, belts and pulleys, etc.), and as you know they're generally reliable.

eagerv

n97 mini wrote: »

Just in comparison, my 15 year old Civic IMA gets:
Motorway (120km/h): 53mpg
Town: 48-65mpg
Country: 55-70mpg

Great figures. My figures are often better, or worse, than I quoted for specific trips, but I tried to be fair and quote the actual MPG based on fill ups.

eagerv

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not having a pop. When you stand back the Prius was released 10 years ago? times haven't really moved on and that is the problem.

I meant times have moved on for us.



Hopefully to BEV.:):):)

Shefwedfan

eagerv wrote: »

I meant times have moved on for us.



Hopefully to BEV.:):):)

I have a BEV......as a second car....


I would love to be a 2 BEV house but based on current release projections I will be maybe 1-2 years before I get their


Great as a second car but would not have as a primary car

zilog_jones

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not having a pop. When you stand back the Prius was released 10 years ago? times haven't really moved on and that is the problem.

More like 21 years ago

Shefwedfan

zilog_jones wrote: »

More like 21 years ago

F**king hell......Im old:eek:

Dobbit

Old diesel wrote: »

If the cars you drove were hatchbacks then it's worth noting that the Saloon and Tourer (Estate) both have a longer wheelbase so a bit more legroom in the back.

It was the hatch, it wasn't a dealbreaker for us, just a nice to have, my kids are 3 and 6 mths so legroom isn't much of an issue for them :pac:

I went for blue in the end, arrives end of the month!

Old diesel

n97 mini wrote: »

eagerv wrote: »

Our Prius is now 9 years old,

Motorway. 46 - 55 mpg

Town/City. 48 - 56 mpg

Country(Mainly max 80 kph). 55 - 62 mpg.

Just in comparison, my 15 year old Civic IMA gets:
Motorway (120km/h): 53mpg
Town: 48-65mpg
Country: 55-70mpg

That 120 kph economy looks really impressive given that as I understand it - the Honda hybrid system is somewhat milder then the Toyota set up.

Or am I wrong?????.

Still very good though

eagerv

Dobbit wrote: »

It was the hatch, it wasn't a dealbreaker for us, just a nice to have, my kids are 3 and 6 mths so legroom isn't much of an issue for them :pac:

I went for blue in the end, arrives end of the month!

Best of luck, think the blue looks really well.


I must compliment Toyota with the new Corolla Hybrid, I think it looks really well and bang up to date, especially the Hatchback.


Looks are important, I quite liked Toyotas' earlier hybrids but think the latest Prius IMO looks hideous ( Apologies if I offend anyone):)

eagerv

Old diesel wrote: »

That 120 kph economy looks really impressive given that as I understand it - the Honda hybrid system is somewhat milder then the Toyota set up.

Or am I wrong?????.

Still very good though

If I remember correctly the Honda IMA system gives better official Motorway economy and the Toyota better around town.

Gael23

The Multimode auto box in the previous Auris/Corolla was pretty awful. Are they still using that?

Cyclepath

My mate has a hatchback version with the new 2 litre engine on order. Apparently it has over 180bhp. It's the same engine they're using in the new baby lexus. Can't wait to get a go in it...

zilog_jones

Gael23 wrote: »

The Multimode auto box in the previous Auris/Corolla was pretty awful. Are they still using that?

The MMT boxes are totally unrelated to the hybrids - these use a planetary gearset (continuously variable) with the motor-generators essentially in the gearbox. It's what they've been using in the Prius since the start, but improved and refined over the years. No belts/chains these days.

MickH503

Cyclepath wrote: »

My mate has a hatchback version with the new 2 litre engine on order. Apparently it has over 180bhp. It's the same engine they're using in the new baby lexus. Can't wait to get a go in it...

Do you know how long he has to wait for delivery?

AlanD

Anyone have a recent corolla hybrid and can report on their MPG

firebird84

No idea how to convert to MPG but mine says average 4.6 litres per 100km on the dash.

charlieIRL

firebird84 wrote: »

No idea how to convert to MPG but mine says average 4.6 litres per 100km on the dash.

That’s 61.4mpg

AlanD

firebird84 wrote: »

No idea how to convert to MPG but mine says average 4.6 litres per 100km on the dash.

That's really good. What kind of driving achieved this?

firebird84

AlanD wrote: »

That's really good. What kind of driving achieved this?

I usually drive fairly short distances, creche run, supermarket type thing, work (d15 to city centre) once or twice a week but we also brought it to France a few weeks ago and did a fair bit of motorway driving.

AlanD

That's not far off what I do.....lots of short runs and then monthly long runs...…

what l/100km does it get out on the motorway or on your trip to France?

firebird84

AlanD wrote: »

That's not far off what I do.....lots of short runs and then monthly long runs...…

what l/100km does it get out on the motorway or on your trip to France?

Before we went we were at about 5.2 but we had it maybe 2 weeks at that stage (it said 7 on delivery) and in France we got it down to 4.5 at one stage, since we've come back it flickers between 4.6 and 4.7.