Places to go on the border?

Kermit.de.frog

With journalists and politicians from around the world flocking to see this border over the Brexit schenadigans is there anywhere to recommend they go?

What is there to see around the border and where would you recommend?

Kermit.de.frog

I was thinking south Armagh myself for the real "ra" experience?

dxhound2005

Crom (pronounced Crumb) Castle in Fermanagh.

https://cromcastle.com/

dundalkfc10

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

With journalists and politicians from around the world flocking to see this border over the Brexit schenadigans is there anywhere to recommend they go?

What is there to see around the border and where would you recommend?

Any petrol station, Heating Oil for €0.53 a litre.

Rubberchikken

a watchtower maybe sometime in the future

Sam Quentin

A beautiful scenic area unspoiled by natural progression.

sk8erboii

Anyone else get bad vibes in the north when they drive around with a dublin licence plate?

maccored

ive a meath plate and i never get any hassle (or get bad vibes)

Capt'n Midnight

Come October there'll be fireworks up north.

Garlinge

Kiltyclougher on Leitrim side of Fermanagh

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sk8erboii wrote: »

Anyone else get bad vibes in the north when they drive around with a dublin licence plate?

Absolutely not. I drive in the North regularly and never felt like that.

odyssey06

Take the ferry from greenore to greencastle and cross the border by sea.

dxhound2005

And when you are in that part of the world visit Pairc Esler in Newry. It is the Down GAA home stadium, but most of it is in Co Armagh.

FanadMan

sk8erboii wrote: »

Anyone else get bad vibes in the north when they drive around with a dublin licence plate?

A few times, but that was years ago during the bad times. Now it's no real difference either side of the border.

FrancieBrady

Take a trip down into the Bragan-Knockatallon area of Monaghan. Beautiful in it's own way but also a landscape/road network that makes a perfect mockery of an effective border.

Jimbob1977

Cuilcagh Mountain on the Cavan/Fermanagh border.

The Northern side has a wooden boardwalk laid down.

The Fermanagh lakes.

Mint Sauce

sk8erboii wrote: »

Anyone else get bad vibes in the north when they drive around with a dublin licence plate?

Maybe if you parked slam bang in the middle of an Unionist Area, or beside the Brandywell in Derry on a match day, other wise no.

Have often driven around Derry, Omagh, Enniskillen, Belfast, and beyond with Southern Plates, and never had an issue.

dxhound2005

Travel the two Concession Roads (that I know of), Dundalk to Castleblayney and Clones to Cavan. After partition no custom posts were placed on the roads because they cross the border more than once.

There are about 8 fuel stations of various sorts in Co Armagh between Monaghan and Louth. A stretch of only a few miles.

Jimbob1977

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Take a trip down into the Bragan-Knockatallon area of Monaghan. Beautiful in it's own way but also a landscape/road network that makes a perfect mockery of an effective border.

I was in the Three County Hollow last year. Walked between Tyrone, Fermanagh and Monaghan in a few seconds. Also an international border.

Full of rushes and lakes... impossible to police.

dxhound2005

The Drumully Polyp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummully_Polyp

The Drummully Polyp, better known as The Connons or the Drummully Salient and also referred to as Coleman Island, is a pene-enclave and a practical enclave located along the border between Ireland and the United Kingdom, near the town of Clones.

Drummully forms part of County Monaghan and is connected to the rest of the Republic of Ireland by a narrow strip of water on the River Finn approximately 110 metres wide. There is no road or pedestrian access to Drummully from the rest of the Republic of Ireland which renders it a practical enclave. Access is available only by travelling through Co. Fermanagh in Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom.

Also, not on the border but remarkable for being a place where not only three counties meet, but also three provinces. Arvagh (Arva) Co Cavan.

doopa

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

With journalists and politicians from around the world flocking to see this border over the Brexit schenadigans is there anywhere to recommend they go?

What is there to see around the border and where would you recommend?

An grainan on the road between Derry and Letterkenny. Ancient monument with views all over Inishowen.

FrancieBrady

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The Drumully Polyp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummully_Polyp

The Drummully Polyp, better known as The Connons or the Drummully Salient and also referred to as Coleman Island, is a pene-enclave and a practical enclave located along the border between Ireland and the United Kingdom, near the town of Clones.

Drummully forms part of County Monaghan and is connected to the rest of the Republic of Ireland by a narrow strip of water on the River Finn approximately 110 metres wide. There is no road or pedestrian access to Drummully from the rest of the Republic of Ireland which renders it a practical enclave. Access is available only by travelling through Co. Fermanagh in Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom.

Also, not on the border but remarkable for being a place where not only three counties meet, but also three provinces. Arvagh (Arva) Co Cavan.

Fascinating sight during the conflict/war was the huge miltary helicopter dropping a squad of soldiers into the Fermanagh bit as it was not accessible safely by road. Many of the young British soldiers were utterly bewildered by their surroundings or where they were. This is just one of the many who strayed into Clones asking a Garda for directions.

Graces7

doopa wrote: »

An grainan on the road between Derry and Letterkenny. Ancient monument with views all over Inishowen.

Loved that; thank you.

I think Lough Derg is near enough to qualify.

theteal

sk8erboii wrote: »

Anyone else get bad vibes in the north when they drive around with a dublin licence plate?

Generally no, Belfast is a cracking place but the missus lived in Bangor for about 6 months, definitely yes there :eek:

Also lived on Ashley Ave in Belfast for the 6 months before that and we were recommended to not have the car (KE reg) there the day before the "parade" was going up the Lisburn.

Reati

maccored wrote: »

ive a meath plate and i never get any hassle (or get bad vibes)

Wishful thinking but a meath plate isn't a Dublin plate

PowerToWait

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Many of the young British soldiers were utterly bewildered by their surroundings or where they were. This is just one of the many who strayed into Clones asking a Garda for directions.

Are you sure? That's my part of the world and I'm old enough to remember most of the past 5 decades.

I'm struggling with the idea that British armed military personnel were simply waved through the town. It is my understanding the Gardai did not operate like that. At the very least it would cause a major diplomatic incident.

_Brian

Climb Cuilcagh boardwalk, the mountain saddles the border.

You’ll realise quickly the border is a line on a map though.

We live near the border, now days it’s subtle. You’ll notice change in road surface and lines along side of the road.

Badly Drunk Boy

How about going to the Border Interpretative Centre? I saw a bit of an episode of Nationwide recently where yer wan Mary was visiting different parts of the border. There was one lad who opened an interpretive centre there 20 years ago, after the Good Friday Agreement, selling 'Good luck from the Border' merchandise. (It only lasted a week.)

I didn't see the full programme, but it probably would have had some good ideas.

FrancieBrady

PowerToWait wrote: »

Are you sure? That's my part of the world and I'm old enough to remember most of the past 5 decades.

I'm struggling with the idea that British armed military personnel were simply waved through the town. It is my understanding the Gardai did not operate like that. At the very least it would cause a major diplomatic incident.

I remember this particular incident and many more happening, I have a relation who is one of the people in the photo. The were simply told they were in the republic allowed to turn and go back. There is actually another photo of them turning around.

This happened quite a bit and if you find me more than a rare 'diplomatic incident' I would be fascinated. The Irish governments of the time did not care that much.

zell12

You should ask The Border where to go
https://twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/961582201363148801

McMurphy

sk8erboii wrote: »

Anyone else get bad vibes in the north when they drive around with a dublin licence plate?

Absolutely none whatsoever, and I do so several times a week.

Graces7

_Brian wrote: »

Climb Cuilcagh boardwalk, the mountain saddles the border.

You’ll realise quickly the border is a line on a map though.

We live near the border, now days it’s subtle. You’ll notice change in road surface and lines along side of the road.

and red post boxes..

Edgware

theteal wrote: »

Generally no, Belfast is a cracking place but the missus lived in Bangor for about 6 months, definitely yes there :eek:

Also lived on Ashley Ave in Belfast for the 6 months before that and we were recommended to not have the car (KE reg) there the day before the "parade" was going up the Lisburn.

No problem in any part of Belfast, even in a bookies shop all wanted to talk about was Mullins/Elliott horses. Coleraine a different town though. Worse than Portadown

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odyssey06 wrote: »

Take the ferry from greenore to greencastle and cross the border by sea.

How will you get past the wall they want built there?

odyssey06

Jairo Shaggy Rabble-rouser wrote: »

How will you get past the wall they want built there?

You'll have to give me more information on that one, at the moment all I'm thinking is ... dragons.

We have ways in Clontarf of dealing with walls we don't like.

scamalert

whoever drew the border was ahead of times.

topper75

Something up with that old photo.

Why has the garda got a manbag strap on his shoulder? is it a weapon strap? Does he have a white earpiece cord?

Maybe it is just dodgy quality photo?

Feisar

scamalert wrote: »

whoever drew the border was ahead of times.

I travel that bit of road one a week

FrancieBrady

topper75 wrote: »

Something up with that old photo.

Why has the garda got a manbag strap on his shoulder? is it a weapon strap? Does he have a white earpiece cord?

Maybe it is just dodgy quality photo?

The earpiece you think you see is the edge of the door of the landy.

And I remember Gardai with carry around radio packs, so maybe one of those. There were also detectives there with Uzi's at some point but I don't think uniformed gardai wore them.

PowerToWait

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I remember this particular incident and many more happening, I have a relation who is one of the people in the photo. The were simply told they were in the republic allowed to turn and go back. There is actually another photo of them turning around.

This happened quite a bit and if you find me more than a rare 'diplomatic incident' I would be fascinated. The Irish governments of the time did not care that much.

I know a few retired soldiers who were stationed in Monaghan. I'm from out the road. There was a massive checkpoint just outside the town as you must know.

I just don't believe British soldiers would be allowed to do this. I remember several well publicised incidents of helicopters supposedly crossing into the republic airspace, and also a few foot patrols (you'll know they were called badgers) that was taken seriously but not boys in Defenders with automatic weapons and the rest?

Not to mind them supposedly getting lost. They didn't have hugely detailed maps, compasses and knowledge of the land?

"if you get to the Diamond boys, you've come too far so turn back"

FrancieBrady

PowerToWait wrote: »

I know a few retired soldiers who were stationed in Monaghan. I'm from out the road. There was a massive checkpoint just outside the town as you must know.

I just don't believe British soldiers would be allowed to do this. I remember several well publicised incidents of helicopters supposedly crossing into the republic airspace, and also a few foot patrols (you'll know they were called badgers) that was taken seriously but not boys in Defenders with automatic weapons and the rest?

Not to mind them supposedly getting lost. They didn't have hugely detailed maps, compasses and knowledge of the land?

"if you get to the Diamond boys, you've come too far so turn back"

What do you mean 'allowed to do it'? They weren't - they were lost.

I am not saying it was very regularly into the centre of town, but it did happen a good few times into the south. As to helicopters coming in, that was definitely more regular. Never a mention of it in media. Heard a few gunbattles too which never made the news either.

L1011

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There are about 8 fuel stations of various sorts in Co Armagh between Monaghan and Louth. A stretch of only a few miles.

And they're all in the North which is suspicious as hell as they're dearer than anything in the South. Well, solid fuel and LPG tanks are cheaper but they all sell petrol and diesel too, at prices much dearer than Dundalk or Blayney! Can see the remains of some more stations from when liquid fuel was cheaper in NI too.



Castle Archdale is somewhere I'd recommend that's quite near the border, and also gives reminders of the fudge/favour we did in WWII as regards an air corridor out of there.

joeysoap

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Travel the two Concession Roads (that I know of), Dundalk to Castleblayney and Clones to Cavan. After partition no custom posts were placed on the roads because they cross the border more than once.

There are about 8 fuel stations of various sorts in Co Armagh between Monaghan and Louth. A stretch of only a few miles.

And all charging euros even though they are in NI (around 57-58c for Kero , that’s one if their main markets)

If you take the Greenore ferry, a short trip to the Silent Valley

http://www.outdoorni.com/local-outdoors/venues/silent-valley/


Unfortunately the greenway between Newry and Carlingford is not complete yet but should be worth a future visit.

dxhound2005

Nine fuel outlets around the Culloville area. I do a bit of cycling which brings me to places like Crossmaglen Forkhill and Newtownhamilton. It is not unusual to meet fuel tankers in very out of way places.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/concession-road-where-the-border-fuels-business-1.3669418

Junkyard Tom

Binevenagh is a little away from the border by road but has spectacular views on a clear day. Must be one of Ireland's most underrated locations.

Ipso

Muff.

NIMAN

Ipso wrote: »

Muff.

... and we have a winner.

That mad stretch outside Clones crossing the border multiple times. They can buy some fireworks while they're at it.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

That mad stretch outside Clones crossing the border multiple times. They can buy some fireworks while they're at it.

The owner of this fuel and hardware business there is standing on the borderline in this picture.

Mint Sauce

Marble Arch Caves in Fermanagh is impressive enough, or the Cuilcagh Mountain Loop Walk in Cavan/Fermanagh.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I remember this particular incident and many more happening, I have a relation who is one of the people in the photo. The were simply told they were in the republic allowed to turn and go back. There is actually another photo of them turning around.

This happened quite a bit and if you find me more than a rare 'diplomatic incident' I would be fascinated. The Irish governments of the time did not care that much.

Still does the odd time with the PSNI. Have seen them once swinging around the roundabout in Lifford, to head back over the bridge into Stabane.

Wouldn't be surprised if same has happened when the Guards/PSNI are on patrol on the M1/A1. Can't really do a U Turn on a the Dual Carriage Way.

Ipso wrote: »

Muff.

Do a bit of diving whilst there.

Mint Sauce

Deleted User wrote: »

That mad stretch outside Clones crossing the border multiple times. They can buy some fireworks while they're at it.

Can cross the border a few times driving from one side of Bellek to the other as well.