Article 13 passed

ArchXStanton

MEPs passed the legislation by 348 votes to 274

Is this the end of the Internet as we know it? An attempt by the EU to micro manage our lives and information we receive?

Deebles McBeebles

Internet fading...... must fight..... noooooooooooooooooo

DS86DS

Varik

Don't want Ireland to leave the EU just want all EU MEPs and bureaucrats to **** off.

Hopefully the coming elections hurt.

topper75

Less cheerleading - defo. But not the nuclear button of leaving, no.

Sciprio

Any list where we can seem what the Irish MEPs voted for? i know that FG MEPs are for this.

Boggles

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Is this the end of the Internet as we know it? An attempt by the EU to micro manage our lives and information we receive?

No.

Kiith

Irexit - what a load of complete and utter bollox.

What’s article 13? (for those of us who use boards as their personal google)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What’s article 13? (for those of us who use boards as their personal google)

Internet hosts now resposible for copyright material shared on their platforms/

E.g. - music on Youtube: Youtube is now responsible for taking it down before they get a complaint or request from the copyright holder.

Odelay

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Internet hosts now resposible for copyright material shared on their platforms/

E.g. - music on Youtube: Youtube is now responsible for taking it down before they get a complaint or request from the copyright holder.

Seems fair. YouTube are the ones providing the service and making money out of someone else’s work.

Danzy

In a way it is unworkable due to the level of censorship and control it requires.

They'll make a good stab at it though, they have let ISPs no choice.

Dr. Bre

Kiith wrote: »

Irexit - what a load of complete and utter bollox.

We need an Irection..

whisky_galore

DS86DS wrote: »

MC pic wasn't taken in 1916. Clearly wearing a Free State Army uniform.

Irexit dopes are a special kind of idiot, up there with anti vaxxers.

ah well, so long as we still have Funny Fails and Idiots at Work.

TimeUp

Odelay wrote: »

Seems fair. YouTube are the ones providing the service and making money out of someone else’s work.

Only this applies just for the EU. Abroad the affected content will still be available. Which means you are going to come accros a lot of content that was available thus far and which won't be anymore, but just for your region.

Personally I know I'll get very mad every time I run into something like that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

TimeUp wrote: »

Only this applies just for the EU. Abroad the affected content will still be available. Which means you are going to come accros a lot of content that was available thus far and which won't be anymore, but just for your region.

Personally I know I'll get very mad every time I run into something like that.

ONe more reason to sort out a VPN

kunst nugget

Ivan2019 wrote: »

Is that photoshop?
Leo with the pompoms?

Seriously?

Wibbs

TimeUp wrote: »

Only this applies just for the EU. Abroad the affected content will still be available. Which means you are going to come accros a lot of content that was available thus far and which won't be anymore, but just for your region.

Personally I know I'll get very mad every time I run into something like that.

Yep. Already with the GDRP thingie I've had US sites I used to visit block me because of it.

hatrickpatrick

Apparently there's still a chance that this can be delayed beyond the EU elections by the Council of Europe, which still has to (unanimously) agree to adopt the directive.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2019/03/even-after-todays-eu-parliament-vote-we.html

This article makes it sound as if German reluctance is the only way to achieve this, but can someone better versed in how this process works outline whether there's any point in holding protests against it in Ireland as well?

MJohnston

In case anyone is interested, here's the Irish MEP voting breakdown.

Vote for Adoption of the Copyright Directive.

In favour (out of 348 total MEPs):
Harkin (Ind/ALDE)
Hayes (FG/EPP)
Kelly (FG/EPP)
McGuinness (FG/EPP)

Against (out of 274 total MEPs):
Boylan (SF/GUE-NGL)
Carthy (SF/GUE-NGL)
Childers (Ind/S&D)
Flanagan (Ind/GUE-NGL)

Not present:
Clune (FG/EPP)
Crowley (Ind/ECR)
Ní Riada (SF/GUE-NGL)

Boggles

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Apparently there's still a chance that this can be delayed beyond the EU elections by the Council of Europe, which still has to (unanimously) agree to adopt the directive.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2019/03/even-after-todays-eu-parliament-vote-we.html

This article makes it sound as if German reluctance is the only way to achieve this, but can someone better versed in how this process works outline whether there's any point in holding protests against it in Ireland as well?

Is that the German Pirate Party?

Each EU country get's to decide to implement it and which parts and how they interpret it.

Considering we are going to fight the EU in court for a large tech company not to pay their tax, I'd say we will be grand.

hatrickpatrick

Boggles wrote: »

Is that the German Pirate Party?

Each EU country get's to decide to implement it and which parts and how they interpret it.

Considering we are going to fight the EU in court for a large tech company not to pay their tax, I'd say we will be grand.

It is, but this is before the individuak country stage - the Council of Europe (one vote per country) has to approve this and apparently it has to be unanimous. Usually this is just a formality after a parliament vote, but this has been so controversial and the discussion of amendments was blocked by such a small margin (5 votes I believe) that there's speculation that Germany will seek to delay it until after the EU elections in May. I'm just wondering is it possible that Ireland will also try to delay? Any point in holding a protest here to demand that our representative sides with Germany to block it?

Boggles

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It is, but this is before the individuak country stage - the Council of Europe (one vote per country) has to approve this and apparently it has to be unanimous. Usually this is just a formality after a parliament vote, but this has been so controversial and the discussion of amendments was blocked by such a small margin (5 votes I believe) that there's speculation that Germany will seek to delay it until after the EU elections in May. I'm just wondering is it possible that Ireland will also try to delay? Any point in holding a protest here to demand that our representative sides with Germany to block it?

Why try and block it, because you think it's a bad thing?

The biggest vocal critic of this quite obviously is Youtube, they do have a few legitimate concerns but they don't match the campaign of fear mongering they have waged.

They couldn't give a flying fook about "#saveyourinternet", they care about share price, simple.

Anyway their original hook was Youtube : Broadcast Yourself

Not Youtube: Stick anyone's "work" you want on your channel.

The biggest thing that will damage content on Youtube is actually Youtube and there new premium service.

BrokenArrows

How can the EU possibly force something like YouTube to change the way they process copyright claims.

Literally millions of people uploading stuff all day. They can't be responsible for everything.

Chips Lovell

I see Google and Facebook's furious lobbying against this has resulted in plenty of koolaid drinkers.

hatrickpatrick

Boggles wrote: »

Why try and block it, because you think it's a bad thing?

The biggest vocal critic of this quite obviously is Youtube, they do have a few legitimate concerns but they don't match the campaign of fear mongering they have waged.

They couldn't give a flying fook about "#saveyourinternet", they care about share price, simple.

Anyway their original hook was Youtube : Broadcast Yourself

Not Youtube: Stick anyone's "work" you want on your channel.

The biggest thing that will damage content on Youtube is actually Youtube and there new premium service.

I don't like the concept that platforms, rather than individual users, should be held liable for user-generated content which violates the law. That essentially legally mandates that platforms take an active rather than a passive role in the publishing of content by users, and in my view that is a bad thing for internet freedom in general.

In Ireland, many of our defamation laws do hold the platform, rather than the end-user, responsible for content. Look how that leads to platforms like Boards being ridiculously paranoid and closing any thread where there's a slight possibility of the site getting into trouble - contrast that with a non-Irish site like Reddit which doesn't give a f*ck and where people can have open conversations without treading on eggshells.

I don't want to see the entire internet becoming curated when accessed from within the EU. The beauty of the internet has always been its fundamental "wild west" nature.

Tabnabs

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BrokenArrows wrote: »

How can the EU possibly force something like YouTube to change the way they process copyright claims.

Literally millions of people uploading stuff all day. They can't be responsible for everything.

Youtube, Facebook and Google were all against it.

This is one of the reasons it's being touted as a not particularly good idea, but you may be surprised how many corporate copyright holders don't really care.

ixoy

Sean Sherlock must be delighted.

Boggles

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't like the concept that platforms, rather than individual users, should be held liable for user-generated content which violates the law. That essentially legally mandates that platforms take an active rather than a passive role in the publishing of content by users, and in my view that is a bad thing for internet freedom in general.

It's not possible to prosecute x amount of millions of users, why should it be down to anyone else to "police" youtubes platform?

It's got nothing to do with Internet Freedom. It's got to do with certain unfair "freedoms" the likes of Youtube have been getting away with and monetizing.

Very little will change, the likes of Youtube AI filters are absolutely astonishing all ready.

They will need to be tweaked, etc.

The EU is glacial, they have years more before this comes in and they have all ready had years of heads up.

MTBD

Tabnabs wrote: »

Oh my Lord....so the EPP is supposedly made up of European Conservatives. And it turns out that Fine Gael are considered a conservative party in Europe and therefore a member of this grouping...the party who defines modern progressivism in Ireland and expresses no conservative values whatsoever. Does conservative now just mean parties who are most likely to back the corporate lobby?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MTBD wrote: »

Oh my Lord....so the EPP is supposedly made up of European Conservatives. And it turns out that Fine Gael are considered a conservative party in Europe and therefore a member of this grouping...the party who defines modern progressivism in Ireland and expresses no conservative values whatsoever. Does conservative now just mean parties who are most likely to back the corporate lobby?

It would be a contributing factor, yes.

That said, Fine Gael are considered center-right, which would only be considered conservative by centrist and left-leaning viewpoints.

Odelay

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't like the concept that platforms, rather than individual users, should be held liable for user-generated content which violates the law. That essentially legally mandates that platforms take an active rather than a passive role in the publishing of content by users, and in my view that is a bad thing for internet freedom in general.

In Ireland, many of our defamation laws do hold the platform, rather than the end-user, responsible for content. Look how that leads to platforms like Boards being ridiculously paranoid and closing any thread where there's a slight possibility of the site getting into trouble - contrast that with a non-Irish site like Reddit which doesn't give a f*ck and where people can have open conversations without treading on eggshells.

I don't want to see the entire internet becoming curated when accessed from within the EU. The beauty of the internet has always been its fundamental "wild west" nature.

Yeah, exactly. If I want to say anything I feel like about you, I shoild be allowed to do that.

Del2005

TimeUp wrote: »

Only this applies just for the EU. Abroad the affected content will still be available. Which means you are going to come accros a lot of content that was available thus far and which won't be anymore, but just for your region.

Personally I know I'll get very mad every time I run into something like that.

Well then complain to the content owner who is placing the restriction not the EU for upholding the law. Or else campaign to get copywrite laws changed.

Didn't the blocking of PirateBay by European ISPs work well

meeeeh

So European Union expects internet giants to police what's going on on their platforms. That's terrible. Why is EU always picking on companies on breadline who get no advertising and other revenues from people posting illegal stuff on their platforms. This could push goggle or Facebook into the red.

Knex*

These are the people who voted in favour of it, and their contact details. They need to be ousted in next election.

Boggles

Knex. wrote: »

These are the people who voted in favour of it, and their contact details. They need to be ousted in next election.

Based on a proposed copyright law?

You sure?

I imagine when the canvassers come to the door, it won't be the first issue they are tackled with.

All My Stars Aligned

Personally I have absolutely no problem with this. Why should anybody have free access to other peoples work. The sense of entitlement is quite sad really. Internet freedom is absolutely nothing to do with being able to view copyrighted material.

Cina

Any Irexiter's should go join the Flat-Earther's and Anti-vaxxers in a special corner of Earth's society reserved for only the most idiotic fools among us.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Cina wrote: »

Any Irexiter's should go join the Flat-Earther's and Anti-vaxxers in a special corner of Earth's society reserved for only the most idiotic fools among us.

I see what you did there .... :pac:

topper75

Knex. wrote: »

These are the people who voted in favour of it, and their contact details. They need to be ousted in next election.

and the 3 who didn't make the vote? at the dentist or something?

Your Face

topper75 wrote: »

and the 3 who didn't make the vote? at the dentist or something?

Watching cat fail videos on YouTube.

Seanachai

Cina wrote: »

Any Irexiter's should go join the Flat-Earther's and Anti-vaxxers in a special corner of Earth's society reserved for only the most idiotic fools among us.

You'd lump eurosceptics in with flat-earthers?, that's very balanced and tolerant. I'd say you wouldn't be found wanting for idiotic fools in the EU parliament. You know sometimes high-horses are just donkeys on stilts......

Chips Lovell

Seanachai wrote: »

You'd lump eurosceptics in with flat-earthers?, that's very balanced and tolerant. I'd say you wouldn't be found wanting for idiotic fools in the EU parliament. You know sometimes high-horses are just donkeys on stilts......

If you want out, the ferries to Holyhead will still be running on April 12.

ArchXStanton

Seanachai wrote: »

You'd lump eurosceptics in with flat-earthers?, that's very balanced and tolerant. I'd say you wouldn't be found wanting for idiotic fools in the EU parliament. You know sometimes high-horses are just donkeys on stilts......

A quick look across EU social media today, they seem to have done more for euro sceptics with this than Farage could ever have hoped for..

Boggles

Angliru wrote: »

Am I right in saying this is basically the end of memes, gifs, posting videos of sport events/highlights on twitter/social media etc.?

I can understand why they'd do this for piracy of movies/tv shows/music but including it for everything is basically killing off the internet...things are going to go back to the days of the 90s.

IF you think the internet is just Memes and Gifs, than you have probably being using it wrong.

Danzy

Ivan2019 wrote: »

Daily Stormer ?

Might be just blocked for you.

Use this to check if your blocked or otherwise.

Web results:
Down For Everyone Or Just Me - Check if a website or site is down.
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com

I'd question the sitess you visit but you need to figure that our for yourself.

padd b1975

MJohnston wrote: »

In case anyone is interested, here's the Irish MEP voting breakdown.

Vote for Adoption of the Copyright Directive.

In favour (out of 348 total MEPs):
Harkin (Ind/ALDE)
Hayes (FG/EPP)
Kelly (FG/EPP)
McGuinness (FG/EPP)

Against (out of 274 total MEPs):
Boylan (SF/GUE-NGL)
Carthy (SF/GUE-NGL)
Childers (Ind/S&D)
Flanagan (Ind/GUE-NGL)

Not present:
Clune (FG/EPP)
Crowley (Ind/ECR)
Ní Riada (SF/GUE-NGL)

Natch.

hatrickpatrick

Odelay wrote: »

Yeah, exactly. If I want to say anything I feel like about you, I shoild be allowed to do that.

I've always defended this. In fact, the best insult anyone has ever levelled against me was over on the largely unmoderated politics.ie, in which someone got pissed off with my debating tactics and remarked "I bet you're no fun at parties - until someone kicks you in the balls, and everyone else turns away with a smile"

hatrickpatrick

meeeeh wrote: »

So European Union expects internet giants to police what's going on on their platforms. That's terrible. Why is EU always picking on companies on breadline who get no advertising and other revenues from people posting illegal stuff on their platforms. This could push goggle or Facebook into the red.

It's not about the giants themselves. Some of us don't like the idea of governments mandating that the internet be policed at all. It has hitherto largely escaped government regulation and operated as an almost entirely lawless wild west, and some of us like it that way.

I should add that I'm a musician currently trying to launch a career in the industry, and I still say that the unprecedented freedom an unpoliced and unregulated internet has brought people all over the world is worth far more than whatever profits this law might "recover" for people like me. It's about precedent. The government shouldn't have any say whatsoever in what happens online - it's so far been a glorious escape from any form of rule or regulation, and many of us who grew up with the early internet would sacrifice an awful lot to keep it that way.