Massive rocket barrage Israel

force eleven

Last hour has seen multiple rocket attacks from Gaza, in response to Israeli bombing of a Hamas HQ. Kicking off once again there.

Cookie_Monster

rockets to/from Israel? In other news, water is still wet.

force eleven

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

rockets to/from Israel? In other news, water is still wet.

This exchange is a bit heavier than recent ones. Yeah, sure it could taper off, but you never know.

corminators

https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/1110093194790879233

Odhinn

force eleven wrote: »

This exchange is a bit heavier than recent ones. Yeah, sure it could taper off, but you never know.

Election coming up, which can usually lead to even heavier responses than would be the norm.

Funny comments are allowed in this one? Stark contrast to other recent atrocities

Sephiroth_dude

Mod

Thread re-opened

Keep it on topic, keep it tasteful, Anymore comments like the ones I had too delete and I'll hand out bans and infractions.

Edgware

Hamas send rockets into Israel. Surprise surprise Israel retaliates at ten times the level.
How stupid can Hamas be? They know what is going to happen and they still do it.

Edgware

force eleven wrote: »

Last hour has seen multiple rocket attacks from Gaza, in response to Israeli bombing of a Hamas HQ. Kicking off once again there.

Hamas fired first. Will they ever learn?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas fired first. Will they ever learn?

They tend to hit Israel when netanyahu needs to be re-elected.

CramCycle

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They tend to hit Israel when netanyahu needs to be re-elected.

Convenient as always, and accortto initial news reports, sirens were sounded well before the rockets were launched for the Israel side.

Richard Hillman

We will await the response from Israel before Irish MSM decide to report on it.

Yamanoto

My money's on Israel

Force Carrier

Play one against the other.
They destroy each other and we pick up the pieces.
We have a toe hold in the Golan Heights we can take the whole country.

old_aussie

Richard Hillman wrote: »

We will await the response from Israel before Irish MSM decide to report on it.

Here's your response....
https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-carries-out-gaza-air-strikes-destroys-office-of-hamas-leader-20190326-p517im.html

Knock Knock, who's there?.....Israel

Edgware

Trinity Arts freshers will propose a motion condemming Israel. That will put manners on Netanyahu

Edgware

Trinity Arts freshers are proposing a motion condemming Israel aggression. That will show Netanyahu

ben.schlomo

If you say it a third time will Beetlejuice help them show Benjamin?

NIMAN

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas send rockets into Israel. Surprise surprise Israel retaliates at ten times the level.
How stupid can Hamas be? They know what is going to happen and they still do it.

But they get a lot of sympathy worldwide, that's their aim.

Anyway, I have to say that I don't give a flying feck about this conflict any more. I know as an Irish person I'm meant to really hate Israel and hang Palestinian flags out my windows, but I passed caring many years ago.

Edgware

NIMAN wrote: »

But they get a lot of sympathy worldwide, that's their aim.

Anyway, I have to say that I don't give a flying feck about this conflict any more. I know as an Irish person I'm meant to really hate Israel and hang Palestinian flags out my windows, but I passed caring many years ago.

Whatever about the hardship inflicted on the Palestinian people Hamas arent top of anyones popularity chart.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

I know as an Irish person I'm meant to really hate Israel

What, "as an Irish person", compels you to hate another country? Have you been there? What was your experience?

bnt

Edgware wrote: »

Whatever about the hardship inflicted on the Palestinian people Hamas arent top of anyones popularity chart.

As long as Hamas keep saying that Israel must be wiped out, and keep trying to smuggle weapons in to Gaza, Israel has no reason to ease the pressure on the border or ports. Have a read of this, which summarises Israel's security concerns, which are mostly about keeping weapons out of Gaza.

Odhinn

bnt wrote: »

As long as Hamas keep saying that Israel must be wiped out, and keep trying to smuggle weapons in to Gaza, Israel has no reason to ease the pressure on the border or ports. Have a read of this, which summarises Israel's security concerns, which are mostly about keeping weapons out of Gaza.

Yeah, as soon as they ditch Hamas they can look forward to being cuddled to bits, like in Arab East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan.

Jelle1880

Say what you want about the conflict but that Iron Dome is some piece of technology...

Odhinn

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Say what you want about the conflict but that Iron Dome is some piece of technology...

It's certainly seems effective enough at dealing with whats fired at it, however how it would fare against non-home made surface to surface missiles fired en masse is another thing entirely.

topper75

Ah .... I have just thought of a potential contribution to the What practice/beliefs make you instantly lose respect for someone? thread:

People who think that this conflict is some kind of goodies versus baddies movie.

Instant dislike and disrespect.

Odhinn

topper75 wrote: »

Ah .... I have just thought of a potential contribution to the What practice/beliefs make you instantly lose respect for someone? thread:

People who think that this conflict is some kind of goodies versus baddies movie.

Instant dislike and disrespect.

Neither side are saints, by any stretch of the imagination. However there is one that is clearly and demonstrably the aggressor.

nullzero

I wonder how many Palestinians will die in retribution for the seven injured Israeli's.

seamus

nullzero wrote: »

I wonder how many Palestinians will die in retribution for the seven injured Israeli's.

The official Israeli policy is that one Israeli is worth about ten Palestinians.

So I'd expect the destruction of a hospital or a small school at least.

Edgware

seamus wrote: »

The official Israeli policy is that one Israeli is worth about ten Palestinians.

So I'd expect the destruction of a hospital or a small school at least.

Hamas know this will happen but still fire their rockets.

seamus

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas know this will happen but still fire their rockets.

Yes, it's just that simple. I'm sure if Hamas stop firing rockets, Israel will recognise the existence of Palestine, stop the ever-expanding occupation of their lands and retreat back to the original borders.

Seems likely.

Edgware

seamus wrote: »

Yes, it's just that simple. I'm sure if Hamas stop firing rockets, Israel will recognise the existence of Palestine and stop the ever-expanding occupation of their lands.

Seems likely.

How long have Hamas and pals being attacking lsrael and what progress have they made?
None. Time to look at other options. Their Arab brothers are trading with Israel while using the Palestinians as ploy to keep their own people under control.

neris

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas know this will happen but still fire their rockets.

thats coz they know the european media go in to all sorts or hysterics when it happens <snip>

Odhinn

Edgware wrote: »

How long have Hamas and pals being attacking lsrael and what progress have they made?
None. Time to look at other options...............

What other options do you suggest?

NIMAN

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas know this will happen but still fire their rockets.

They are fighting a propaganda war, that's why.

They know they can't inflict much damage on Israel.

Edgware

neris wrote: »

thats coz they know the european media go in to all sorts or hysterics when it happens <snip>

While ignoring Human Rights Watch several reports on execution of journalists, internment of political opponents, capital punishment by Hamas in Gaza

seamus

Edgware wrote: »

How long have Hamas and pals being attacking lsrael and what progress have they made?
None. Time to look at other options. Their Arab brothers are trading with Israel while using the Palestinians as ploy to keep their own people under control.

What other options? What can Palestine do that won't result in Israel stealing all of their land anyway?

fxotoole

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What, "as an Irish person", compels you to hate another country? Have you been there? What was your experience?

Ireland are “supposed” to sympathise with Palestine, what with them being a small nation under the jackboot of a larger power, etc

Tacklebox

seamus wrote: »

What other options? What can Palestine do that won't result in Israel stealing all of their land anyway?

Well if there was a war between the two wouldn't it be more favourable for the Palestinians to fight the Israeli military rather than firing blind rocket's randomly.
Which in turn can harm innocent civilians.

seamus

Tacklebox wrote: »

Well if there was a war between the two wouldn't it be more favourable for the Palestinians to fight the Israeli military rather than firing blind rocket's randomly.
Which in turn can harm innocent civilians.

Isn't this where the definition of "innocent" gets fuzzy?

Israel bomb hospitals because they claim that they're being used to hide/protect insurgents, and thus nobody there is really "innocent".

Likewise an Israeli settler occupying Palestinian land cannot, under the same logic, be considered "innocent" and is fair game for attack.

Nobody is right in this conflict. It's a never ending cycle, but Israel being the state with the undeniable upper hand, more wealth, more education, more international support and having suffered very few losses in real terms, have the greater moral obligation to use the minimum amount of effort required to defend themselves while attempting to end the conflict.

They go the exact opposite way; they use ten times the force that is required and continue with their policies of invasion and displacement that only serves to fuel Hamas.

That saddest part is that what was supposed to be a "gift" to an ethnic group from the rest of planet after they experienced some of the most brutal racism and violence the world had ever seen, has become exactly the same type of racist, fanatical and ultra-violent state.

Tacklebox

seamus wrote: »

Isn't this where the definition of "innocent" gets fuzzy?

Israel bomb hospitals because they claim that they're being used to hide/protect insurgents, and thus nobody there is really "innocent".

Likewise an Israeli settler occupying Palestinian land cannot, under the same logic, be considered "innocent" and is fair game for attack.

Nobody is right in this conflict. It's a never ending cycle, but Israel being the state with the undeniable upper hand, more wealth, more education, more international support and having suffered very few losses in real terms, have the greater moral obligation to use the minimum amount of effort required to defend themselves while attempting to end the conflict.

They go the exact opposite way; they use ten times the force that is required and continue with their policies of invasion and displacement that only serves to fuel Hamas.

I know where you're coming from and it's unfortunate that Palestine haven't the modern capabilities to strike military target's if they're at war.

I know most of the variables and I wouldn't personally take side's, because I'm not as well up on the whole conflict.

I'd love to see peace there.

sheesh

seamus wrote: »

Yes, it's just that simple. I'm sure if Hamas stop firing rockets, Israel will recognise the existence of Palestine, stop the ever-expanding occupation of their lands and retreat back to the original borders.

Seems likely.

But what does the firing of rockets achieve? and is it worth Palestinians lives.

seamus

Tacklebox wrote: »

I'd love to see peace there.

I think we all would.

Why do you think Israel continues to retaliate even though it does nothing to stop Hamas?

I think it's time for Israel to look at other options.

Oat23

Elections are never too far behind when the iron dome suddenly 'fails' and lets a rocket through. Gives them the perfect excuse to kill a hundred kids again. Bibi needs those votes.


It's all timed to perfection. It happens when he's in the US so he's forced to cut his visit short, thus creating more headlines.

Jelle1880

Odhinn wrote: »

It's certainly seems effective enough at dealing with whats fired at it, however how it would fare against non-home made surface to surface missiles fired en masse is another thing entirely.

I assume Israel have ways of taking those out before they even get into action (I assume you are talking about military grade stuff).

It's too easy to sit here with Ireland's established borders and compare. Their land has been taken, and is being taken, bit by bit, and if ever there was a cause for violence, that is it. It's literally fight or lose everything.

The mere notion it has international support is disgusting. It's a silent killer spreading and ruining lives. Not one of us would stand for it in Ireland. Why do so many Irish people look at a people getting wiped out, and think "grand".

We have a history of being on the losing side.


This isn't a defence of the loss of lost lives via the Hamas rockets. But people live in these taken lands. It's an abhorrent abuse of military power on both sides.

James Brown

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas send rockets into Israel. Surprise surprise Israel retaliates at ten times the level.
How stupid can Hamas be? They know what is going to happen and they still do it.

When you are being wiped out and all the west might do is hurt Soda Stream sales, what do you expect?

Edgware wrote: »

Hamas fired first. Will they ever learn?

Israel are the instigators here, not the people being ethnically cleansed.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They tend to hit Israel when netanyahu needs to be re-elected.

Funny that. It's almost like coincidence...

James Brown

I think Hamas are allowed if not enabled by Israel. I'm quite confident that if Israel have spies infiltrating other nations and using fake passports, they've a lad or two in Hamas. What better way to excuse genocide and ongoing theft than pointing to Hamas rockets?
Sure Israel has the Golan Heights and the U.S. has access to the oil. All wrapped up under 'security'.

Edgware

seamus wrote: »

What other options? What can Palestine do that won't result in Israel stealing all of their land anyway?

Ridiculous statement.
Ever hear of negotiation and compromise?

Jelle1880

It's a scum move to keep stealing the land, but it's not genocide and I wish people would stop calling it such, it's a massive disservice to actual genocides.

archer22

Israel should be moved to America where it belongs...let the yanks vacate one of their states to make way for it.

After all they think others should do that..so why don't they solve the problem and just do that themselves!