Painters work. Acceptable??

imalwayshappy

Hi all. I have gotten some rooms painted and i am wondering is the splashes on these fixtures acceptable for a so called professional painter or am i being too fussy? The work seems sloppy to me. Have a look at the pics and see what you think. Thanks

imalwayshappy

imalwayshappy wrote: »

Hi all. I have gotten some rooms painted and i am wondering is the splashes on these fixtures acceptable for a so called professional painter or am i being too fussy? The work seems sloppy to me. Have a look at the pics and see what you think. Thanks

Pics attached

punisher5112

Get a Stanley blade and scrape it off.

Not great but some splashes are going to happen.

vicwatson

No masking equals lazy, I’d have them “finish” it

cram1971

Is some of that old paint from previous work

imalwayshappy

cram1971 wrote: »

Is some of that old paint from previous work

No all the fixings were brand new and just installed. I can fix it myself and scrape it it off but i havnt paid the painter yet. Im just wondering is the standard of painters these days. Im just wondering why it wasnt wiped at the time.

imalwayshappy

cram1971 wrote: »

Is some of that old paint from previous work

No all new fixings

cram1971

imalwayshappy wrote: »

No all new fixings

New build or refurbishment? .. the filling around the socket looks terrible, the cut in to the ceiling switch is awful, the cut in brush strokes are very heavy and not brushed out. Looks very poor tbh.

Outkast_IRE

That work is just plain lazy and not professional.



My trade is plumbing but often spend time in houses with other trades, all the best painter i have come across will spend as much time on the prep, sanding, filling as they do painting.


In my own home i mask stuff like that , and for sockets / light switches i will loosen the faceplate off the wall to allow the paint finish to cover right up to the face plate of sockets etc.

Juwwi

imalwayshappy wrote: »

No all the fixings were brand new and just installed. I can fix it myself and scrape it it off but i havnt paid the painter yet. Im just wondering is the standard of painters these days. Im just wondering why it wasnt wiped at the time.

It looks very sloppy ,a good painter wouldn't get any paint on sockets ect , this isnt splashes from a roller its bad work .

how much work did you get done and what was the cost ?

The brush marks around the double socket looks poor aswell, l wouldn't be surprised is this chap wasn't a qualified painter .

IP freely

I'm just curious here, did you get a few different quotes and go with the cheapest one by any chance. Because that's looks like some sub standard workmanship. It's not splashes either it's just very badly cut in. Looks like cheap paint too.

Car99

Was this painter the cheapest quote?

harr

What ever about the splashing the paint finish looks poor...specially above sockets....not very professional not masking up the fixtures.

TheQuietFella

No excuses for that! Absolutely shoddy work!

When I paint my own house the wife gives out about how long I take
in starting but I mask those areas, sand down others and it's a clean finish!

IP freely

harr wrote: »

What ever about the splashing the paint finish looks poor...specially above sockets....not very professional not masking up the fixtures.

It stinks to me of a €69 per room painter, open up a bucket of cheapest paint available and slap it on.

Still waters

Masking doesn't a good painter make, the best painter I've ever seen would take offence if you asked him mask anything, this guy is a thumper

punisher5112

I wouldn't get outta bed for less then €150 a day....

NasserShammaz

Still waters wrote: »

Masking doesn't a good painter make, the best painter I've ever seen would take offence if you asked him mask anything, this guy is a thumper

Spot on , it brutal work brush strokes still visable if you can't cut in around a light switch then f$ck off your not a decorater. Your just some cnut taking a proper decorater job

myshirt

punisher5112 wrote: »

I wouldn't get outta bed for less then €150 a day....

Including VAT and taxes presumably.

A lot of tradespeople heavily, heavily overpaid in Dublin at the moment.

FrancieBrady

My dad, a fully apprenticed and experienced painter and decorator used to complain that the worst thing about the job was that any layabout could go to bed and wake up a painter and decorator...I think you found one of those OP. If you owe him/her any money, withhold it.

Teddy Daniels

myshirt wrote: »

Including VAT and taxes presumably.

A lot of tradespeople heavily, heavily overpaid in Dublin at the moment.

What do you do ? Trades (good trades) are deserving of 50 grand a year after expenses in my opinion.

Teddy Daniels

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My dad, a fully apprenticed and experienced painter and decorator used to complain that the worst thing about the job was that any layabout could go to bed and wake up a painter and decorator...I think you found one of those OP. If you owe him/her any money, withhold it.

all trades should be protected terms, fair enough if I'm stuck for cash i can say I'm a painter but i should have to say handyman and be paid accordingly.

FrancieBrady

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

all trades should be protected terms, fair enough if I'm stuck for cash i can say I'm a painter but i should have to say handyman and be paid accordingly.

The 'Meister' system in Germany works well I think. You get paid more if you have the designation.

imalwayshappy

Thanks all for the honest reviews. Its an extension that we got built. An architect is involved also. The builders are good guys and have a team working with them so im not paying the painter directly but the builder. The last payment is due Monday so i think i will withhold until this is fixed. Im not a tradesman myself but would consider myself a neat painter at home. It just seems like a slap and dash job which is unfortunate as the extension came out well...

punisher5112

myshirt wrote: »

Including VAT and taxes presumably.

A lot of tradespeople heavily, heavily overpaid in Dublin at the moment.

Exactly....

I'm no painter... But if I were I would take pride in my work and be a little OCD.

€150 a day is even cheap in my opinion.

FrancieBrady

imalwayshappy wrote: »

Thanks all for the honest reviews. Its an extension that we got built. An architect is involved also. The builders are good guys and have a team working with them so im not paying the painter directly but the builder. The last payment is due Monday so i think i will withhold until this is fixed. Im not a tradesman myself but would consider myself a neat painter at home. It just seems like a slap and dash job which is unfortunate as the extension came out well...

If that is fresh plaster and the paint was applied as thick as that, you may have peeling/flaking problems ahead. Did they apply 'mist coats' do you know?

Working class heroes

No no no. I'd be bringing it back.

imalwayshappy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If that is fresh plaster and the paint was applied as thick as that, you may have peeling/flaking problems ahead. Did they apply 'mist coats' do you know?

Yes fresh plaster was put on. Doubt they put a mist coat on tbh. Also have attached another pic. Dont know if you can make out but there is dried drips of paint on the wall.... i think i have been had......

cram1971

imalwayshappy wrote: »

Thanks all for the honest reviews. Its an extension that we got built. An architect is involved also. The builders are good guys and have a team working with them so im not paying the painter directly but the builder. The last payment is due Monday so i think i will withhold until this is fixed. Im not a tradesman myself but would consider myself a neat painter at home. It just seems like a slap and dash job which is unfortunate as the extension came out well...

If your are paying your architect to snag and certify the work let him deal with it

FrancieBrady

imalwayshappy wrote: »

Yes fresh plaster was put on. Doubt they put a mist coat on tbh. Also have attached another pic. Dont know if you can make out but there is dried drips of paint on the wall.... i think i have been had......

I think that is a disgrace tbh. If they didn't apply mist coats then you could have a mare with it over the years.
If it were me, I would lose the plot and the builder should too. Their work is going to look bad as a result of the finisher. If it isn't done right the first time, it will probably never be right. Don't want to depress you, but do yourself a favour and refuse to pay a cent more for it. I have snagged a lot of jobs and these cowboys usually walk away when they are sussed.

Juwwi

imalwayshappy wrote: »

Thanks all for the honest reviews. Its an extension that we got built. An architect is involved also. The builders are good guys and have a team working with them so im not paying the painter directly but the builder. The last payment is due Monday so i think i will withhold until this is fixed. Im not a tradesman myself but would consider myself a neat painter at home. It just seems like a slap and dash job which is unfortunate as the extension came out well...

In this case that finish is a joke then .

The painters job can be sort of fixed right , but because he's done it bad to begin with makes it hard to leave the perfect finish.

Sockets need to be cleaned off with a blade carefully , his thick brush marks needs to be sanded down and then walls re coated .

But to be honest l would be surprised if there's not more shabby work done by the painter you haven't spotted ,a professional painter would spot alot more stuff .

I wouldn't be confident that this painter is capable of putting that job right either by the way.

FrancieBrady

Juwwi wrote: »

In this case that finish is a joke then .

The painters job can be sort of fixed right , but because he's done it bad to begin with makes it hard to leave the perfect finish.

Sockets need to be cleaned off with a blade carefully , his thick brush marks needs to be sanded down and then walls re coated .

But to be honest l would be surprised if there's not more shabby work done by the painter you haven't spotted ,a professional painter would spot alot more stuff .

I wouldn't be confident that this painter is capable of putting that job right either by the way.

That would be my stance with the architect and builder tbh...bring in a competent contractor to try and fix it as best they can.

punisher5112

Done a snag list on my sister's brand new house and the painting was like that and worse.

Blobs everywhere, paint missing, holes everywhere, plaster way off, skirting boards chipped, hand rail on stairs paint chunks gone, kitchen cupboards bits missing from all round etc etc.

I would say they just get anyone in to paint.

I'm painting a sitting room I'm renovating at the moment. It's the first time I've ever kinda taken my time and made a small effort (previous efforts were fire it on begrudgingly and pray for it to end soon).

Painter should have applied a mist coat (ie; a watered down coat) but I know a few painters and a couple of builders who say they never bother with a mist coat, and they do painting at the very end of the project, when the plaster will have dried out a bit, and wont necessarily need it.

2 minutes with some fine sandpaper will remove most blobs and blemishes, and a sharp blade with take the paint off the fixtures (although most painters I know have a pack of baby wipes or a rag or such, so if they get paint on something it shouldn't be on, they simply wipe it off whilst it's still fresh and wet, and it avoids the headaches of dealing with dried-on paint).


Your painter was a cowboy, however, his mistakes can be fixed. If the builder hired him, I'd withhold final payment until you're happy. Builder likely paid a relation of his feck all to fire through it in an attempt to save some money. I wouldn't lose the head with the builder, as has been previously suggested. Chances are the builder will be just as annoyed at the painter as you are (builder is busting his hump on a project for weeks, and then a painter takes the shine off it by cutting corners at the last hurdle, won't make the builder look too good).

Explain to the builder, in a reasonable manner, why you're not going to pay yet, and highlight the issues you want addressed. (don't do this just with the poor painting, but also with anything else that may be wrong that has to do with the builder). Unless you know the builder, chances are once he gets final payment you'll never see him again to address complaints. Literally (in the literal sense of the word) withholding payment is the only power you have over him at the moment. Don't be sweet-talked into 'sure you can pay me now, and I'll get the painter over tomorrow to fix it' because you'll never see the painter again.


But again, don't assume the worst - builder might be just as peeved as you are. Give him a chance to have a look and go from there. Also, if he's coming over on monday, for example, just to collect cash and head off into the sunset, be polite and give him a quick text saying you've a few issues, and would like them addressed before final payment. At least that way he's not being taken off-guard and will be going to meet you with a fairer stance on things. If you catch him off-guard, and word it wrongly, you could end up in a big argument telling each other to feck off, and that will never end well. Calm and polite all the way. And make sure you don't have the money in the house (at least that way you can't actually give it to him or be talked around).

Do subtly remind him that a poor finish makes his work look bad, too, though.

dok_golf

Agree with most of the posts above. I would say that either is the work of a chancer or the work of a labourer employed by the painting contractor. Just to point out, he did mask (around the socket at least) badly, as you can see where part of the tape adhered to the wall. No painter can do a perfect job but the good ones can spot any errors , either at the time or after, and rectify them. If I was the OP, I would show the problems to the builder and get him to get the painter back in to rectify.

tradesman

My business is conducting snag lists & I must say that the painting in all of the houses leaves a lot to be desired. Architrave edges undercoated but not finish coated. Nails that were sticking out of the wood just painted over. Underside of the window boards never painted - undersides of the window boards usually have plaster snots on them! Paint on the window & door frames, ceiling / wall junction not cut in properly I could go on & on. The actual standard of new build houses today is diabolical! I wonder where have all the tradesmen gone?

jlm29

tradesman wrote: »

My business is conducting snag lists & I must say that the painting in all of the houses leaves a lot to be desired. Architrave edges undercoated but not finish coated. Nails that were sticking out of the wood just painted over. Underside of the window boards never painted - undersides of the window boards usually have plaster snots on them! Paint on the window & door frames, ceiling / wall junction not cut in properly I could go on & on. The actual standard of new build houses today is diabolical! I wonder where have all the tradesmen gone?

I’d say they all have enough work to keep them going without committing to big projects such as new housing developments etc. Or else they’re so busy themselves that they have lots of people working for them who really don’t care about return business.
It’s so so hard to get a decent painter, who won’t just paint over the imperfections and hope you won’t notice. The last two painters I’ve had have been s**t, and I’ve gone off recommendations, so haven’t gotten multiple prices, because I trusted the recommendation.

FrancieBrady

tradesman wrote: »

My business is conducting snag lists & I must say that the painting in all of the houses leaves a lot to be desired. Architrave edges undercoated but not finish coated. Nails that were sticking out of the wood just painted over. Underside of the window boards never painted - undersides of the window boards usually have plaster snots on them! Paint on the window & door frames, ceiling / wall junction not cut in properly I could go on & on. The actual standard of new build houses today is diabolical! I wonder where have all the tradesmen gone?

A large amount have been driven out of business because you just cannot compete. I remember well working on shopfronts for my dad and you would be cleaning and prepping for at least 2 to 3 days, before you even started to paint. Now I see guys put ladders up in the morning and they are done and dusted by the following evening or earlier. That isn't an exaggeration either.

punisher5112

It's the an sure I can get the whole gaff painted for €400 and that's paint included types.

I actually can't understand other then people are that dumb and end up having to do it again much sooner and left with a messy job.

imalwayshappy

By way of an update. The 'painter' came back to 'fix' the issues and was gone by lunchtime. There was a hole about the size of a euro coin in the wall which he wasnt arsed filling or painting. Crazy to think this guy could even class himself as a painter. I am now thinking of withholding funds to find a decent painter to finish. My wife heard sanding earlier and thought it sounded promising however he appears to have painted over the sockets with grey paint to match the wall as opposed to scraping the paint off....

punisher5112

imalwayshappy wrote: »

By way of an update. The 'painter' came back to 'fix' the issues and was gone by lunchtime. There was a hole about the size of a euro coin in the wall which he wasnt arsed filling or painting. Crazy to think this guy could even class himself as a painter. I am now thinking of withholding funds to find a decent painter to finish. My wife heard sanding earlier and thought it sounded promising however he appears to have painted over the sockets with grey paint to match the wall as opposed to scraping the paint off....

Oh jaysus....

That's no painter.

FrancieBrady

imalwayshappy wrote: »

By way of an update. The 'painter' came back to 'fix' the issues and was gone by lunchtime. There was a hole about the size of a euro coin in the wall which he wasnt arsed filling or painting. Crazy to think this guy could even class himself as a painter. I am now thinking of withholding funds to find a decent painter to finish. My wife heard sanding earlier and thought it sounded promising however he appears to have painted over the sockets with grey paint to match the wall as opposed to scraping the paint off....

I know what I would do, but it might be a prosecutable offence.

o1s1n

My dad and grandad have had a family painting and decorating business in the family for a few generations. I used to do a bit of work with them over summers as a teenager.

A huge part is being able to cut in around things with a brush as if it's a blade.

We'd mask skirting boards to protect them from any roller speckles, but sockets etc are cut by hand.

If I'd done a job like the photos in the OP at 15 I'd have been kicked up the arse and made an absolute laughing stock.

Seriously OP, I'd be kicking up a massive stink.

Juwwi

imalwayshappy wrote: »

he appears to have painted over the sockets with grey paint to match the wall as opposed to scraping the paint off....

That's just unbelievable

You need new sockets now .

Juwwi

imalwayshappy wrote: »

I am now thinking of withholding funds to find a decent painter to finish.

This is probably your best option now , try and get a recommendation of a painter or look up a local painter to call out and give a rough quote for what it will cost .

Sometimes trying to put bad work right can take as long as just doing the job from scratch .

Dr Turk Turkelton

Juwwi wrote: »

That's just unbelievable

You need new sockets now .

And an electrician to fit them.

tradesman

I'd swear some painters do not know the difference between a paint brush & a toilet brush! The architrave on a house I snagged yesterday was so rough, I'm guessing the "painter" dropped his brush on the concrete floor , picked it up and carried on painting!