Peugeot 3008 - petrol or diesel?

vienne86

I'm thinking of buying a new Peugeot 3008 automatic. I do about 16K Km a year, mixture of town and rural, but definitely more rural. I had my mind set on petrol, but the salesman is trying to pursuade me towards diesel. Any opinions?

MarkN

16k a year? Petrol all day. Don’t even entertain him.

Squidgy Black

Salesman is more than likely trying to persuade you because the diesel is less desirable for him on his lot due to a significant drop in people buying diesel cars so far this year compared to last, and the media putting out articles about how diesel is going to be phased out etc etc.

bazz26

He is pushing diesel because he has them in stock or can get one easier than a petrol variant.

Shefwedfan

Diesel in stock so he can sell to you before the end of March

NIMAN

You should also consider resale value in years to come, depending on how long you intend to keep the car.

If you were to sell in 3 or 4 years time, it looks like it could be possible that the drive toward petrol or hybrid will have gained more momentum.

colm_mcm

Diesel is very much the norm for this segment though. I can’t see there being an issue selling one down the line.

There’s €2k in it between petrol and diesel AFAIK, if you don’t particularly want diesel then don’t be talked into one. The diesel will likely still be worth more than the petrol down the line but banking on residuals is silly anyway, buy what you want.

I’d wonder why the salesperson wants you to go diesel, it’s not that he’d make loads more money on you or something, he may have knowledge that customers that want them in autos second hand want diesel, or that there are issues with supply, or that the auto is better to drive in diesel than petrol. Surely they gave you reasons?

Shefwedfan

The issue I see with the petrol is the new hybrid.PHEV is coming, so will the straight petrol hold its value after the hybrid comes out

vienne86

colm_mcm wrote: »

Diesel is very much the norm for this segment though. I can’t see there being an issue selling one down the line.

There’s €2k in it between petrol and diesel AFAIK, if you don’t particularly want diesel then don’t be talked into one. The diesel will likely still be worth more than the petrol down the line but banking on residuals is silly anyway, buy what you want.

I’d wonder why the salesperson wants you to go diesel, it’s not that he’d make loads more money on you or something, he may have knowledge that customers that want them in autos second hand want diesel, or that there are issues with supply, or that the auto is better to drive in diesel than petrol. Surely they gave you reasons?

Thanks for your response. The sales guy was making out that at 15K, which is what I told him I do per year, I would be better off with diesel. I just find that hard to believe, with 2K difference in the price. I told him so, and he continued on that tack, so I just decided I would see what others think. I was going for petrol because I thought the resale value would be better.

vienne86

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The issue I see with the petrol is the new hybrid.PHEV is coming, so will the straight petrol hold its value after the hybrid comes out

I thought about holding out for one of these, but it really doesn't suit as I am away a fair bit and would not be in a position to charge it up when I am away.

Shefwedfan

vienne86 wrote: »

I thought about holding out for one of these, but it really doesn't suit as I am away a fair bit and would not be in a position to charge it up when I am away.

Even if not plugged in it will still run in hybrid mode....


Presonally I would wait as the PHEV will hold value better


The UK is awash with Outlanders who never get plugged in once

colm_mcm

vienne86 wrote: »

Thanks for your response. The sales guy was making out that at 15K, which is what I told him I do per year, I would be better off with diesel. I just find that hard to believe, with 2K difference in the price. I told him so, and he continued on that tack, so I just decided I would see what others think. I was going for petrol because I thought the resale value would be better.

I wouldn’t count on the resale on the petrol being equal or better to the diesel, nobody’s got a crystal ball, but the post above about the Hybrid/PHEV is very important IMO. The petrol people will want that one second hand, the diesel heads will want the diesel.

Shefwedfan

vienne86 wrote: »

Thanks for your response. The sales guy was making out that at 15K, which is what I told him I do per year, I would be better off with diesel. I just find that hard to believe, with 2K difference in the price. I told him so, and he continued on that tack, so I just decided I would see what others think. I was going for petrol because I thought the resale value would be better.

Nobody knows what will happen with diesel, government are scared of their lives to touch it

Your best bet will be the PHEV but if you don’t want to wait I would probably go diesel....your right you don’t need it but a straight petrol will drop more once the PHEV comes out, I think the PHEV is this year but I could be wrong

All guess work the above advice....

NIMAN

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody knows what will happen with diesel, government are scared of their lives to touch it

Your best bet will be the PHEV but if you don’t want to wait I would probably go diesel....your right you don’t need it but a straight petrol will drop more once the PHEV comes out, I think the PHEV is this year but I could be wrong

All guess work the above advice....

Agree, its all guessing for now, but with the rest of Europe going very anti-diesel, it will be hard for our Government to continue to allow 80% of car sales to be diesel going forward. They will have to gradually ease in disincentives against diesel.

But, its only my opinion.

Go for the diesel op, never mind the diesel scaremongering that’s rife in this forum. 16k km is diesel teratory imo especially when driving rural as it’s ideal driving to get economy from a diesel.

I’d have no fear whatsoever in buying a diesel, in fact I just did doing similar mileage to the op.

Shefwedfan

Reina Tinkling Snowshoe wrote: »

Go for the diesel op, never mind the diesel scaremongering that’s rife in this forum. 16k km is diesel teratory imo especially when driving rural as it’s ideal driving to get economy from a diesel.

I’d have no fear whatsoever in buying a diesel, in fact I just did doing similar mileage to the op.

Not great advice.....16km is not diesel

Diesel is dying, slower in Ireland than rest of Europe but dying

Choice is limited at the moment but if I was buying a crossover now I would go for Niro PHEV myself or hold on till the 3008 PHEV

MarkN

Just because you did exactly what the OP has questioned here doesn't make us all wrong!

Fact is, 16k is not diesel territory, fact is, there is a market for petrols in this segment, fact is, the petrol engines in them are fairly fuel efficient and fact is, the typical buyer of these cars will have children and actually might care about doing their bit for the future of the planet if at all possible.

Manufacturers are leaning towards petrol where appropriate, many of them are focusing their engine line up around petrol, some are dropping diesel engines from certain models already (not next year or 2025 - now).

Compound this with the fact that when global brands such as Toyota announce they're moving from diesel, media, public perception and everything else will all amplify this and the bread and butter punter will be a sheep and follow the herd or what they heard down the pub.

Yes, there is justification for diesel in lots of cases, no it's not dead but claiming that talking up petrol, PHEV or electric sources in a motoring forum is scaremongering is just madness - particularly at the level of mileage that is the case here.

What's rural driving got to do with it by the way? If anything, that is even more reason to consider petrol as there'll be less stop / start driving conditions.

One of the most daft replies I've read here in a while I have to be honest.

road_high

Has diesels in stock or easy access to get one in for you vs a petrol.

vienne86

Great replies, folks. Thanks for the input. I had been all set to go for petrol until I met the sales guy, and was just suspicious that he was wanting to offload a diesel on me. That said, I drive diesel now and love the fact that a tank of fuel lasts for ages, so was a bit tempted by his sales pitch. I did indeed consider the PHEV, and had been looking at the Niro. Knowing the type of person I am, I know that I would be obsessive about charging it even while I am away from home, and given the scarcity of charging facilites when I travel, I frankly don't want that distraction.

As regards the future resale value, it has been pointed that this is very much an unknown and impossible to call......it's never certain anyway. So even if I am following the herd, I probably will go for the petrol.

Shefwedfan

Reina Tinkling Snowshoe wrote: »

Go for the diesel op, never mind the diesel scaremongering that’s rife in this forum. 16k km is diesel teratory imo especially when driving rural as it’s ideal driving to get economy from a diesel.

I’d have no fear whatsoever in buying a diesel, in fact I just did doing similar mileage to the op.

Also you post the same thing on every single thread, buy a diesel if you want, who cares?

Trying to shove it down every single person throat not get a little boring? After all it’s only a fuel....

Mad_maxx

Peugeot never really did petrol well

Shefwedfan

vienne86 wrote: »

Great replies, folks. Thanks for the input. I had been all set to go for petrol until I met the sales guy, and was just suspicious that he was wanting to offload a diesel on me. That said, I drive diesel now and love the fact that a tank of fuel lasts for ages, so was a bit tempted by his sales pitch. I did indeed consider the PHEV, and had been looking at the Niro. Knowing the type of person I am, I know that I would be obsessive about charging it even while I am away from home, and given the scarcity of charging facilites when I travel, I frankly don't want that distraction.

As regards the future resale value, it has been pointed that this is very much an unknown and impossible to call......it's never certain anyway. So even if I am following the herd, I probably will go for the petrol.

You will find most of the garages have preordered a s**t load of diesels and are now struggling to sell, especially in Dublin

If going diesel and they have in stock I would be looking for a deal to take off their hands, play the government going to put up by 10 cent etc

ShadowHearth

Okay, simple thing here. Big manufacturer decided that diesel is still going to be big seller. So obviously prebuilt diesel models out number petrol.
So salesman is sitting on that stock now and trying to push it. Unfortunately consumers opinion is never counted in when they decided these things. Salesman does not give a **** about resale value for you, he just want to get wrid of stock and make money now. Specially when diesel engines are in very dodgy unknown future state.
So in nutshell, op, buy a car you want, not what sales person wants you to buy.
On different note, if you do go for petrol, I presume it's going to be that 1.2 petrol engine? Have you drove it yourself already before pulling the trigger? I am very pro petrol, but I test drove that engine in Citroen c5 Aircross and it was horrible engine. And I am not bashing it for low power output, I hated it for how it felt. 1.2tsi in something like VW/seat is just so much better, and even that engine is not my cup of tea.

vienne86

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Okay, simple thing here. Big manufacturer decided that diesel is still going to be big seller. So obviously prebuilt diesel models out number petrol.
So salesman is sitting on that stock now and trying to push it. Unfortunately consumers opinion is never counted in when they decided these things. Salesman does not give a **** about resale value for you, he just want to get wrid of stock and make money now. Specially when diesel engines are in very dodgy unknown future state.
So in nutshell, op, buy a car you want, not what sales person wants you to buy.
On different note, if you do go for petrol, I presume it's going to be that 1.2 petrol engine? Have you drove it yourself already before pulling the trigger? I am very pro petrol, but I test drove that engine in Citroen c5 Aircross and it was horrible engine. And I am not bashing it for low power output, I hated it for how it felt. 1.2tsi in something like VW/seat is just so much better, and even that engine is not my cup of tea.

Thanks for this. I haven't pulled the trigger yet and will be looking to get a test drive in a petrol before I do any deal.

colm_mcm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Also you post the same thing on every single thread, buy a diesel if you want, who cares?

Trying to shove it down every single person throat not get a little boring? After all it’s only a fuel....

That’s only allowed for electric cars

ddarcy

Well I’d look at it as a numbers game. If you went diesel it looks (assuming manual here in both cases, it looks like auto comes in at about the same numbers too roughly) like you’d get 4.3 l/ 100 km and the petrol gets you 5.2 l/ 100km. Mind you these seem to be a bit bs, but I’d assume that what you get in reality will be the same difference just a bit higher. Using that an an average of 1.50/l of petrol against 1.40/l of diesel it will take you a little over 6 years (minimum) to recoop your costs by going the diesel route. If diesel rises or goes above petrol it will be longer.

Saying that the salesman may be trying to hit his/her monthly or quarterly targets. They may get a bonus for this. So use that to your advantage in negotiating.

My recommendations are:
First drive both but don’t let on what you prefer. As it’s end of the month/ quarter use that to your advantage. If you like the diesel say you prefer the petrol. Get them to match the petrol price.

Second ring around other Peugeot dealers. There’s a chance that a dealer in Sligo or Letterkenny or elsewhere has a petrol in stock and is finding it difficult to move. Most dealers will deliver nationwide now anyways. Use this to your advantage.

Third and most importantly, it’s your money, buy what you want. If the demo petrol suited your needs put an offer in on it etc.

colm_mcm

ddarcy wrote: »

Well I’d look at it as a numbers game. If you went diesel it looks (assuming manual here in both cases, it looks like auto comes in at about the same numbers too roughly) like you’d get 4.3 l/ 100 km and the petrol gets you 5.2 l/ 100km. Mind you these seem to be a bit bs, but I’d assume that what you get in reality will be the same difference just a bit higher. Using that an an average of 1.50/l of petrol against 1.40/l of diesel it will take you a little over 6 years (minimum) to recoop your costs by going the diesel route. If diesel rises or goes above petrol it will be longer.

Saying that the salesman may be trying to hit his/her monthly or quarterly targets. They may get a bonus for this. So use that to your advantage in negotiating.

My recommendations are:
First drive both but don’t let on what you prefer. As it’s end of the month/ quarter use that to your advantage. If you like the diesel say you prefer the petrol. Get them to match the petrol price.

Second ring around other Peugeot dealers. There’s a chance that a dealer in Sligo or Letterkenny or elsewhere has a petrol in stock and is finding it difficult to move. Most dealers will deliver nationwide now anyways. Use this to your advantage.

Third and most importantly, it’s your money, buy what you want. If the demo petrol suited your needs put an offer in on it etc.

You’re assuming the cars will be worth the same second hand. Ie the diesel will depreciate €2k more than the petrol, which has been pointed out will be effectively dinosaured by the imminent PHEV version.

ddarcy

colm_mcm wrote: »

You’re assuming the cars will be worth the same second hand. Ie the diesel will depreciate €2k more than the petrol, which has been pointed out will be effectively dinosaured by the imminent PHEV version.

I’m not totally disagreeing with you. The PHEV could absolutely make it worse to buy a diesel/ petrol now. Or French engineering could come into play where the PHEV won’t want to be touched with a 30 foot barge pole. Personally I’d give the PHEV a few years to get it right, but then again that’s when you could be looking at changing the petrol/ diesel and it would get hammered on resale value. There are also matters of carbon taxes and interest rates on the car that could hit depreciation as well. I was just giving another way to look at it.

Shefwedfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

That’s only allowed for electric cars

In fact very few thread have recommendations for electric...


Most of the mentions I see in regards to electric is from people trying to bash it when it was never mentioned in first place....

TCP/IP

OP test both buy the one you prefer simple really.
At the end of the day who cares between petrol or diesel it’s your choice.

Gael23

Petrol all they way at your mileage.
Diesel is dying and resale values will drop sharply into the future because of that.

ddarcy

Gael23 wrote: »

Petrol all they way at your mileage.
Diesel is dying and resale values will drop sharply into the future because of that.

I know I didn’t put this in my last post, but if I were buying the 3008, with what you’ve mentioned as requirements, this is what I’d do. If you plan on keeping it long term you’ll do more bad than good with a diesel.

Also OP when you decide what to do, if you PM me what you’re looking for spec wise / or post it here (allure etc), I have a connection to a Peugeot dealership(the only thing I d gain is less annoyance because I bought a new car and not from him ) Doesn’t hurt to ask if you know what you want.

vienne86

ddarcy wrote: »

I know I didn’t put this in my last post, but if I were buying the 3008, with what you’ve mentioned as requirements, this is what I’d do. If you plan on keeping it long term you’ll do more bad than good with a diesel.

Also OP when you decide what to do, if you PM me what you’re looking for spec wise / or post it here (allure etc), I have a connection to a Peugeot dealership(the only thing I d gain is less annoyance because I bought a new car and not from him ) Doesn’t hurt to ask if you know what you want.

No secret about what I am loooking for! I want the Allure, automatic. And generally I keep a car for 3-4 years.

TCP/IP

Current Euro 6 diesel cars are incredible clean and basically the same as petrol.
I would not worry buying a diesel at all if I was you.

MarkN

MarkN wrote: »

Just because you did exactly what the OP has questioned here doesn't make us all wrong!

I hadn’t a chance to re-read my post, it should have said “Go for the diesel op if it’s what you want” rather than just go for the diesel so would probably have made my post look a little less pushy.

People can debate all day long about what is and isn’t diesel mileage everyone has their own opinion but doing 15k Km in a petrol and then a diesel where most of it was long journeys the cost saving in diesel was very large and now with both a petrol and diesel in the house the diesel does any sort of significant trip as it just costs far less to fuel.

As for why rural suits it, rural driving usually means tipping along about about 80kmh in top gear this is the absolute peak of diesel efficiency.

I like your videos on YouTube so don’t really want to get into an argument over fuel type.

NIMAN

TCP/IP wrote: »

Current Euro 6 diesel cars are incredible clean and basically the same as petrol.
I would not worry buying a diesel at all if I was you.

Is it a fact that the engine itself is a lot cleaner, or they are just putting more filters between the engine and the stuff coming out of the exhaust?

If the latter, then it just sounds like more to go wrong.

TCP/IP

NIMAN wrote: »

Is it a fact that the engine itself is a lot cleaner, or they are just putting more filters between the engine and the stuff coming out of the exhaust?

If the latter, then it just sounds like more to go wrong.

It’s a new car will be under warranty modern diesels are very reliable these days not much to worry about. Better MPG and cheaper fuel as well over petrol. The 1.2 petrol in the 3008 is a pile of dirt and would not pull you out of bed.

NIMAN

TCP/IP wrote: »

It’s a new car will be under warranty modern diesels are very reliable these days not much to worry about. Better MPG and cheaper fuel as well over petrol. The 1.2 petrol in the 3008 is a pile of dirt and would not pull you out of bed.

Thats answering something I didn't ask.

It was stated that Euro6 diesels are very clean. I would dispute this. By the nature of diesel, I'd say it can't be engineered to be cleaner, but instead they put in more filtering of the output of the engine.

As for better MPG, diesel works more efficiently when it gets to full temperature and when its doing long runs. The OP might not always fulfill these 2 criteria with their annual mileage.

And as for cheaper fuel, it is for now, but you have no idea what the Gov will change tax wise in the coming Budgets.

TCP/IP

Considering all testing is done on emissions who cares how it’s done as long as the end product has required results.

No one has an idea what governments will do with fuel best practice is to always budget for the cost to go up.

NIMAN

I see the Irish Gov isn't buying any more diesel buses after June 2019.

First the buses, then the taxi's, then they'll come for us!

Shefwedfan

NIMAN wrote: »

I see the Irish Gov isn't buying any more diesel buses after June 2019.

First the buses, then the taxi's, then they'll come for us!

Taxi are already, big grants for electric and PHEV

colm_mcm

NIMAN wrote: »

I see the Irish Gov isn't buying any more diesel buses after June 2019.

First the buses, then the taxi's, then they'll come for us!

This includes Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann?

MarkN

Reina Tinkling Snowshoe wrote: »

I hadn’t a chance to re-read my post, it should have said “Go for the diesel op if it’s what you want” rather than just go

I like your videos on YouTube so don’t really want to get into an argument over fuel type.

Appreciate the support.

I just think the petrol argument is stronger than ever, especially when on the lower side.

This time of year is particularly aggressive for car sales due to the end of Q1 so I’d just be sceptical of particular sales pushes.

Shefwedfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

This includes Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann?

Loads of test already ongoing in Cork and Dublin with electric buses....also with PHEV

grogi

NIMAN wrote: »

Thats answering something I didn't ask.

It was stated that Euro6 diesels are very clean. I would dispute this. By the nature of diesel, I'd say it can't be engineered to be cleaner, but instead they put in more filtering of the output of the engine.

So in other words a broken car is dirtier than a one that is not broken...?! Hardly rocker science...

NIMAN wrote: »

As for better MPG, diesel works more efficiently when it gets to full temperature and when its doing long runs. The OP might not always fulfill these 2 criteria with their annual mileage.

3008 is a big car with aerodynamics of Sacré-Cœur. The diesel will get much better fuel economy. I'd risk that with the mileage OP is doing, the diesel will return 6.5l/100km, while the petrol would be 9.0l/100km.

NIMAN wrote: »

And as for cheaper fuel, it is for now, but you have no idea what the Gov will change tax wise in the coming Budgets.

They are not going to change it over night, nor will the changes be massive. What they are trying to do is to alter the perception of the diesel (hence the constant TALK about increasing the prices) and reduce the sales of diesel (hence the VRT increases for diesel cars), without hurting existing owners.

grogi

TCP/IP wrote: »

Current Euro 6 diesel cars are incredible clean and basically the same as petrol.
I would not worry buying a diesel at all if I was you.

Unfortunately it is not always about facts, but perception.

In 2008 diesels weren't clean - but they were believed to be and promoted left right and center.
Now the diesel engine is much better - but the public sees them as the Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse...

colm_mcm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Loads of test already ongoing in Cork and Dublin with electric buses....also with PHEV

PHEV diesel, or gas/petrol?

Shefwedfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

PHEV diesel, or gas/petrol?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/green-buses-to-be-tested-on-routes-in-dublin-and-cork-from-next-month-1.3652102

colm_mcm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/green-buses-to-be-tested-on-routes-in-dublin-and-cork-from-next-month-1.3652102

Thanks.

Few key points
They will stop buying “diesel only” for urban fleets
Trialing Hybrid (diesel?) and CNG buses
Plans to somehow convert existing diesel buses to low emissions vehicles
They’re still obsessed with Co2, public transport apparently only accounts for a tiny amount of transport pollution, and we are way off hitting our targets anyway.

Shefwedfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

Thanks.

Few key points
They will stop buying “diesel only” for urban fleets
Trialing Hybrid (diesel?) and CNG buses
Plans to somehow convert existing diesel buses to low emissions vehicles
They’re still obsessed with Co2, public transport apparently only accounts for a tiny amount of transport pollution, and we are way off hitting our targets anyway.

Public transport is low, a bus with 50 people is a lot better than 50 car with a single person in each which is a lot of the traffic in Dublin

Zak Flaps

TCP/IP wrote: »

The 1.2 petrol in the 3008 is a pile of dirt and would not pull you out of bed.

I read some very good reviews of that engine. Did it not wine some awards also?