Anyone buy from Canyon lately?

sann

Hi folks.

Just about to order a bike from Canyon.
Ultimate c.f. slx
Not available until 29th of April which sounds mad.
Have heard some horror storys in the past about delivery times and customer service.
Has anyone bought recently that can put my mind at ease.
Bought from Rose the last time and found them and the bike brilliant.
They don't currently have anything that catches the eye so i am leaning towards the Canyon.
Value wise, there doesn't seem to be anything out there to come close to it.

Any advice or info greatly appreciated.

fat bloke

I got one last week. Delivery and tracking was spot on through Germany and UK. As soon as it got to Ireland all I got was radio silence until the doorbell rang. Nearly wore out my thumb refreshing the UPS tracking site trying in vain to get some clarification on when it more precisely it might arrive.

Anyway. Arrive it did.

flatface

sann wrote: »

Hi folks.

Just about to order a bike from Canyon.
Ultimate c.f. slx
Not available until 29th of April which sounds mad.
Have heard some horror storys in the past about delivery times and customer service.
Has anyone bought recently that can put my mind at ease.
Bought from Rose the last time and found them and the bike brilliant.
They don't currently have anything that catches the eye so i am leaning towards the Canyon.
Value wise, there doesn't seem to be anything out there to come close to it.

Any advice or info greatly appreciated.

Delivered on time for me, I ordered one in stock though. Service was great, was discussing swapping bars after it arrived but decided not to in the end. Very helpful in both German and Uk office.

sann

That's good to hear.
I contacted them there and availability date is when they recieve it so they said to allow another 7 to 10 days for delivery.
How bad sure.
I'm sure it will be worth the wait.

Cookie_Monster

Ordered a 2019 model in November last year, scheduled for end Jan production. Shipped on 29th, received in NZ on 4th Feb, well before indicated by the online tracking of 10th. No complaints from me

eoinbyrne81298

I bought one two years ago. Hasn't been a good experience. Frame snapped just where the front derailleur attaches to the frame when I changed gear(under pressure and the chain got a bit caught between the chainrings and the derailleur). Went through a warranty process with them and kept trying for 3-4months and they refused. Also same thing happened another guy in my club with the same frame. It was the Ultimate Cf SLX. I think they accepted his warranty claim though and his bike was only a month old when it happened.

Also, their stems are all Canyon/Giant specific because of a larger diameter of the fork. And I had an issue with their seatpost clamp as well when the seatpost seized a bit and I was changing the saddle height. It is a small bit of rubber/plastic and it broke when trying to unseize the seatpost. I got in contact with them and they were looking for >50€ for a piece of plastic!

sann

eoinbyrne81298 wrote: »

I bought one two years ago. Hasn't been a good experience. Frame snapped just where the front derailleur attaches to the frame when I changed gear(under pressure and the chain got a bit caught between the chainrings and the derailleur). Went through a warranty process with them and kept trying for 3-4months and they refused. Also same thing happened another guy in my club with the same frame. It was the Ultimate Cf SLX. I think they accepted his warranty claim though and his bike was only a month old when it happened.

Also, their stems are all Canyon/Giant specific because of a larger diameter of the fork. And I had an issue with their seatpost clamp as well when the seatpost seized a bit and I was changing the saddle height. It is a small bit of rubber/plastic and it broke when trying to unseize the seatpost. I got in contact with them and they were looking for >50€ for a piece of plastic!

Wow. That is dissapointing to hear. I had heard the negative reviews regarding customer service but I expected the build quality was excellent.
Apparently not.
Time to do some more research I think.

Statler

Have bought off them 7 times in the last 10 years and no issues, always found customer service extremely good to deal with. Had a frame replaced under warranty in 2011, no issues with the process and as it turns out it I'm fairly sure it was just a paint crack, they asked for photos of the crack, and then once they'd agreed to send a new frame asked that I saw through the top tube and send them a photo. Once I'd done that I sanded the paint crack and from what I can see the frame underneath wasn't damaged.

Anyway, would highly recommend them, worth the wait.

dastardly00

My experience...
Endurace CF SL Disc 8.0 ordered on 25-Jul-18.

Estimated dispatch date was 30-Jul to 3-Aug.
Actual dispatch date was 25-Jul.

Delivery arrived on 6-Aug.

I haven't needed to contact customer service etc. since so I can't comment on that aspect.

velo.2010

I had a fork replaced under warranty after nearly six years - their warranty on frame and forks lasts for six years.

There was a an problem with customer service and deliveries a while back when they were expanding rapidly and changed over to a new ordering system. That appears to be no longer a problem.

The biggest issue with Canyon has always been it's proprietary components, namely the headset and stem diameter. It can be a pain but they will accommodate someone as much as possible if they need a stem changed shortly after purchase.

Don't be put off with the negative account of one person on this forum. Most people who have bought from Canyon have had positive experiences

fat bloke

Yeah, in fairness my neighbour and cycling buddy over the last 7 years has bought:
a CF SLX dura ace (the old white one)
a roadlite (aluminium drop bar)
a Speedmax Al,
an Endurace Al
and more recently a CF SLX sram red.
No issues over and above normal bike stuff. No issues with servicing or parts. No customer service grief.

He still has the original white CF SLX - relegated to winter training now and still trucking away.

sann

Thanks for all the replys everyone.
Much appreciated.
I had my decision almost made but unknown to myself my budget had crept up a bit while I was browsing on Canyon.
So I checked back in to rose again with the new budget and came across this

I am caught between the following 2 bikes.

https://www.rosebikes.ie/rose-x-lite-six-dura-ace-2675772?product_shape=UD-Carbon%2FPiano-Black&article_size=53cm

https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/ultimate/2019/ultimate-cf-slx-9-0.html

Pocket says to go with the Rose and I did really love my x lite crs but the colour scheme does not do it for me. Maybe if it was all black with out the white rose logo.
Really like the colour scheme and look of the Canyon, but yikes the money is drifting up to stupid stuff that i know I shouldn't be spending.

Eamonnator

I have a friend, who has two sons. Between them, they have seven Canyons,
Three mountain bikes and four road bikes.

Flaccus

Any truth to, you void your Canyon warranty if you get your lbs to do the servicing and not return to Canyon directly ?

Also is it true that the bearings are absolute muck?

Their bikes sure seem like good value though.

magicbastarder

Flaccus wrote: »

Any truth to, you void your Canyon warranty if you get your lbs to do the servicing and not return to Canyon directly ?

i can't imagine that's true, though i do recall something about specialized not honouring a warranty if initial assembly is not done by an authorised specialized dealer.

ballyharpat

Dude, go disc, and di2, maintenance free, and I think Rose is away better bike and value for Money, I would get this, but I'd upgrade the wheels when purchasing, The way I look at disc is, I can race my good wheels all year round, as I'm not worried about the rims being worn over s**t from the road getting on the pads etc.

https://www.rosebikes.ie/rose-x-lite-four-disc-ultegra-di2-2661675

jamesd

Flaccus wrote: »

Any truth to, you void your Canyon warranty if you get your lbs to do the servicing and not return to Canyon directly ?

Also is it true that the bearings are absolute muck?

Their bikes sure seem like good value though.

No truth.

What Username Guidelines

Posted here previously, but another happy canyon customer.

First bike was lower end road bike, endurace 7.0 alu 2014. Ordered from stock so a couple of weeks waiting mostly due to post-payment for bike to work. Lots of bike for the money. Had headset replaced in lbs no problems with proprietary sizing but it was lower end so not sure.

Second bike was carbon roadlite last year. Again, incredible value for the spec. Three week wait but arrived 3 days before estimated dispatch. I had been watching their sale prices daily but the model I wanted wasn’t reduced at all. Sale seemed over, then the day after ordering, all their roadlites dropped in price, mine by €300. Considered cancelling and reordering, but it was now at a 2 month or so wait due to the sale price. Asked about it on live chat and they couldn’t have refunded the difference quicker, without any issues.

Also, a friend has a couple of rose bikes, he seems just as happy but don’t know exact details. Narrowing it down to those two seems sensible and I’m sure you’ll be delighted with either

CramCycle

sann wrote: »

Thanks for all the replys everyone.
Much appreciated.
I had my decision almost made but unknown to myself my budget had crept up a bit while I was browsing on Canyon.
So I checked back in to rose again with the new budget and came across this

I am caught between the following 2 bikes.

https://www.rosebikes.ie/rose-x-lite-six-dura-ace-2675772?product_shape=UD-Carbon%2FPiano-Black&article_size=53cm

https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/ultimate/2019/ultimate-cf-slx-9-0.html

Pocket says to go with the Rose and I did really love my x lite crs but the colour scheme does not do it for me. Maybe if it was all black with out the white rose logo.
Really like the colour scheme and look of the Canyon, but yikes the money is drifting up to stupid stuff that i know I shouldn't be spending.

I am going for the Rose. No issue with Canyon, I know quite a few people.with them. IIRC there are minor issues with parts and cost of replacement s being a pain in the hole but overall they seem happy. The Rose just appears as if any bits and pieces needed can be sourced from general supplies.

What's the weight on the Canyon fully built?

sann

ballyharpat wrote: »

Dude, go disc, and di2, maintenance free, and I think Rose is away better bike and value for Money, I would get this, but I'd upgrade the wheels when purchasing, The way I look at disc is, I can race my good wheels all year round, as I'm not worried about the rims being worn over s**t from the road getting on the pads etc.

https://www.rosebikes.ie/rose-x-lite-four-disc-ultegra-di2-2661675

Oh sweet Jesus no.😄
I absolutely hate the look of disc.
The di2 gave way 2 much trouble by some of the lads in the club.
Ireland's climate is just 2 damp and wet for electronic.
Absolutely. The rose beats it hands down for value and it's the reason I bought the x lite crs ultegra in the black and yellow last year.
It's just the colour of the current model that is pushing me towards the Canyon.
Beginning to think that i just just go with the canyon ultegra. The only reason I was going up to the slx over the sl was that it was available in my all time dream colour scheme.

Eamonnator

Colour is very important.
Go for your dream scheme

sann

CramCycle wrote: »

I am going for the Rose. No issue with Canyon, I know quite a few people.with them. IIRC there are minor issues with parts and cost of replacement s being a pain in the hole but overall they seem happy. The Rose just appears as if any bits and pieces needed can be sourced from general supplies.

What's the weight on the Canyon fully built?

Not sure of the weight. It is giving 6.4kg without pedals for a medium.
Rose is the same but I know from experience that rose are being very generous to themselves at that. My rose was 300g heavier than what was quoted

ballyharpat

sann wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus no.��
I absolutely hate the look of disc.
The di2 gave way 2 much trouble by some of the lads in the club.
Ireland's climate is just 2 damp and wet for electronic.
Absolutely. The rose beats it hands down for value and it's the reason I bought the x lite crs ultegra in the black and yellow last year.
It's just the colour of the current model that is pushing me towards the Canyon.
Beginning to think that i just just go with the canyon ultegra. The only reason I was going up to the slx over the sl was that it was available in my all time dream colour scheme.

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:pac: I understand, I dont agree with you though
Ive seen Sram etap give loads of trouble, only a small number of d12, and mostly from people that would wreck wrought iron.
I would have agreed with the discs last year, but now I think they have grown on me, plus I have had too many close calls in the rain on rim, although I'm still hanging on to my DA De Rosa.
But I bought the tarmac pro sl6 disc pro a few weeks ago, and I love it.

https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/17240411060878917

sann

ballyharpat wrote: »

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:pac: I understand, I dont agree with you though
Ive seen Sram etap give loads of trouble, only a small number of d12, and mostly from people that would wreck wrought iron.
I would have agreed with the discs last year, but now I think they have grown on me, plus I have had too many close calls in the rain on rim, although I'm still hanging on to my DA De Rosa.
But I bought the tarmac pro sl6 disc pro a few weeks ago, and I love it.

https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/17240411060878917

Lovely bike.
I just think you pay so much to buy the lightest of the lightest and then you bang on discs and a battery for DI2.
It's just against my religion. :')

ballyharpat

sann wrote: »

Lovely bike.
I just think you pay so much to buy the lightest of the lightest and then you bang on discs and a battery for DI2.
It's just against my religion. :')

Yeah, I stopped worrying about weight about 5 years ago, now I prefer comfort, durability and as little maintenance as possible. I havent weighed the tarmac yet-probably 7.4, so it m ught be a small water bottle heavier than my De Rosa. I do still love the art of debating pros and cons though-I argued against discs on the road, until the 3rd stage od ras mumhann last year when I couldnt feel my fingers and was trying to brake going down after cumanaspig.

But hey, it's a new bike, so it's fun fun fun

sann

ballyharpat wrote: »

Yeah, I stopped worrying about weight about 5 years ago, now I prefer comfort, durability and as little maintenance as possible. I havent weighed the tarmac yet-probably 7.4, so it m ught be a small water bottle heavier than my De Rosa. I do still love the art of debating pros and cons though-I argued against discs on the road, until the 3rd stage od ras mumhann last year when I couldnt feel my fingers and was trying to brake going down after cumanaspig.

But hey, it's a new bike, so it's fun fun fun

Oh you poor MF.
I was doing service behind our lads coming off coomanaspig that day. One of them went in over a ditch a first hairpin on decent cos he couldn't brake.
Luckily I have no ambitions at the moment to do Ras Munhan!!

Luxman

sann wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus no.��
I absolutely hate the look of disc.
The di2 gave way 2 much trouble by some of the lads in the club.
Ireland's climate is just 2 damp and wet for electronic.
Absolutely. The rose beats it hands down for value and it's the reason I bought the x lite crs ultegra in the black and yellow last year.
It's just the colour of the current model that is pushing me towards the Canyon.
Beginning to think that i just just go with the canyon ultegra. The only reason I was going up to the slx over the sl was that it was available in my all time dream colour scheme.

Eh? The one trouble Ive had is switching on synchro shift (cos I just didn't understand it). Never noticed any diff in performance, winter v summer, wet v dry. Keep the chain and derailleurs clean and there's no trouble. this on the older 6870 ultegra.

CramCycle

just think Discs don't look nice, I no longer have any qualms about them racing around me but they still look as ugly as fook on a sexy road bike.

davef1000

Eamonnator wrote: »

I have a friend, who has two sons. Between them, they have seven Canyons,
Three mountain bikes and four road bikes.

How many of them are going to St. Ives?

velo.2010

davef1000 wrote: »

How many of them are going to St. Ives?

Ha! This scene suddenly came to mind when you said that...

magicbastarder

ballyharpat wrote: »

Yeah, I stopped worrying about weight about 5 years ago, now I prefer comfort, durability and as little maintenance as possible.

my go to bike has a listed weight of 10.44KG, IIRC. it's bloody great.

fat bloke

This "weight doesn't matter any more" thing is the weirdest and... abruptest about turn in cycle-philosophy that I have ever seen. - That and charging more for "heavy".
I can understand the concept of paying more for more with the likes of gold, jewels, mincemeat, pick'n mix etc but not carbon

6.2kg Rose or cf slx all the way for me and bad cess to your discs and & €500 dérailleurs!!

jamesd

sann wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus no.😄
I absolutely hate the look of disc.
The di2 gave way 2 much trouble by some of the lads in the club.
Ireland's climate is just 2 damp and wet for electronic.
Absolutely. The rose beats it hands down for value and it's the reason I bought the x lite crs ultegra in the black and yellow last year.
It's just the colour of the current model that is pushing me towards the Canyon.
Beginning to think that i just just go with the canyon ultegra. The only reason I was going up to the slx over the sl was that it was available in my all time dream colour scheme.

I have the cf slx 8 with di2 and disc and it's an unreal bike to cycle.

ballyharpat

fat bloke wrote: »

This "weight doesn't matter any more" thing is the weirdest and... abruptest about turn in cycle-philosophy that I have ever seen. - That and charging more for "heavy".
I can understand the concept of paying more for more with the likes of gold, jewels, mincemeat, pick'n mix etc but not carbon

6.2kg Rose or cf slx all the way for me and bad cess to your discs and & €500 dérailleurs!!

I'm very upset, :P I think the way it has gone is, people know they can get light bikes even off the shelf now for under 5k, 10 years ago, you would have to build your own and it would be about 10k for a light bike, now people realise, it doesn't really matter when its 0.5kg+- , it's not like there are that many climbs in ireland where it matters too much.

I havent been out on my 'light' bike in about 6 months, so it will be interesting to see the difference.

The other thing that i've done is change to 28c tyres, so I'll even be racing on them, whereas, 10 years ago, 23 or even 21's were the go to size for racing.

ballyharpat

sann wrote: »

Oh you poor MF.
I was doing service behind our lads coming off coomanaspig that day. One of them went in over a ditch a first hairpin on decent cos he couldn't brake.
Luckily I have no ambitions at the moment to do Ras Munhan!!

He wasnt the only one that went in over the ditch there, That was the worst conditions I've ever raced in, it hould have been shortened. We were changing in the bar after, unable to remove our own clothes, and trying to get warm in front of the fire in the bar, I don't know how many people ended up pulling out or suffering from (near)hypothermia.

CramCycle

sann wrote: »

Not sure of the weight. It is giving 6.4kg without pedals for a medium.
Rose is the same but I know from experience that rose are being very generous to themselves at that. My rose was 300g heavier than what was quoted

I know they had issues changing manufacturers awhile ago and were caught red handed by tour magazine who bought one of the shelf after the fact and found huge descrepancies. Do you think it's still an issue. This said 300g is within their 5% +/- manufacturing range that they acknowledge.
For the 6.4kg bike, fair enough, for the 6.8kg bike, my Alu frame is lighter on my 1500euro Bike

sann

fat bloke wrote: »

This "weight doesn't matter any more" thing is the weirdest and... abruptest about turn in cycle-philosophy that I have ever seen. - That and charging more for "heavy".
I can understand the concept of paying more for more with the likes of gold, jewels, mincemeat, pick'n mix etc but not carbon

6.2kg Rose or cf slx all the way for me and bad cess to your discs and & €500 dérailleurs!!

Amen Brother!!

sann

CramCycle wrote: »

I know they had issues changing manufacturers awhile ago and were caught red handed by tour magazine who bought one of the shelf after the fact and found huge descrepancies. Do you think it's still an issue. This said 300g is within their 5% +/- manufacturing range that they acknowledge.
For the 6.4kg bike, fair enough, for the 6.8kg bike, my Alu frame is lighter on my 1500euro Bike

This is a post from a previous thread on my Rose crs x lite. Quite a bit heavier....
"
Recieved the bike today and as expected it seems to be alot more than the stated 6.6kg.
I did change the wheels to my 2017 ksyrium elites alright but it ended up at 7.3kg.
That is without pedals and bottle cages.
While i was expecting it to be a bit heavier i wasnt expecting that much.
With pedals it will be up around 7.5kg which is a bit dissapointing."

So I wouldn't expect that 6.4kg to be any lighter than 7kg.

fat bloke

Go for the Canyon then. Neighbour has a cf slx and it's laugh-out-loud-when-you-pick-it-up light.

(which we all know is the real test)

CramCycle

sann wrote: »

So I wouldn't expect that 6.4kg to be any lighter than 7kg.

Being a cynic and the fact that they have +/-5%, if it says 6.4kg, I will be happy with 6.72kg and below, any more than that and I'll be returning it as not as described.
I can see they have corrected the website as it used to have all the different models as the same weight so that is fixed as well.
On a seperate note, also looking at just the Stevens Comet frameset and building that up with old parts, frame 796g and fork 288g. My current is 1,100g and a fork 310g. Stevens have been pretty accurate in the past for me but they have no retailer here anymore so may not be possible to order anymore. The rose frame is listed as 760g, with the 5% extra its 798g, so very similar.
Current build on the Rose website has me at 3500euro
Frameset for the Comet is 1999, groupset will be 750euro, auxillaries I cannot salvage will be about 100euro.
I wish Rose just sold the frameset and save me alot of hassle

Perciville

I ordered one in stock on Feb 21st. It was shipped on the 22nd and delivered on the 28th. That included a weekend so would have been a bit quicker had I pulled the trigger earlier. All good.

harringtonp

fat bloke wrote: »

This "weight doesn't matter any more" thing is the weirdest and... abruptest about turn in cycle-philosophy that I have ever seen. - That and charging more for "heavy".
I can understand the concept of paying more for more with the likes of gold, jewels, mincemeat, pick'n mix etc but not carbon

6.2kg Rose or cf slx all the way for me and bad cess to your discs and & €500 dérailleurs!!

Yeah, its hard to believe how this is been bandied around now given that 5-10 years ago weight was everything. In my eyes, it just shows how susceptible we are to the influences of marketing and groupthink

harringtonp

sann wrote: »

Not sure of the weight. It is giving 6.4kg without pedals for a medium.
Rose is the same but I know from experience that rose are being very generous to themselves at that. My rose was 300g heavier than what was quoted

My 2014 Rose Xeon CW was 0.5kg heavier (quoted at 6.95kg). But it could be all explained:

- L frame instead of M
- upgraded to deep section wheels
- 50/34 ->53/39
- And most importantly color. They quote for matt/black, your nice colors add an extra 200/300g to the weight according to rose.. yes I queried the extra weight at the time

sann

Was planning on ordering canyon tonight. Decided to go for a happy medium. Lads in the club were saying Dura Ace is lovely and all but it is so expensive you will end up replacing worn/broken parts with Ultegra and end up with a mix and match.
So I finally decided on the Ultimate. C.f. SL 8.0.
Wheels are crap but I have my eye on a set of Slrs in the local bike shop anyway.
On to the next problem.
Size.
Canyon reccomend a small but when I compare it to the geometry on my last few bikes it is pointing me towards an XS.
All measurements are the same except for seat tube lengths which is 17mm shorter on the canyon but the saddle height is shown as 663 - 763.
My saddle is currently set at 710.
I take a 50 in cannondale super 6
53 in a Rose.
49 in a lappiere audacio.
Also the Xs is in stock and there is a 6 week wait for Small.
I threw my leg over one of the mates Small aeroad the other day and found it huge.
Any other teletubbie like myself out there riding a Xs in an ultimate that could advise?
I'm 5'7 .

magicbastarder

what's the stack and reach? that'll cut through the manufacturer's claims about what 'size' their frames are.
just as a comparison, i'm about the same height as you, and the stack and reach on my (reasonably relaxed geometry) go-to bike are 558mm and 380mm.

jamesd

I've a small cf slx and I am 5 7 too, happy enough with the size but would have liked to tried an xs too for size.
When I was ordering canyon were pushing me to a medium or a small.

sann

magicbastarder wrote: »

what's the stack and reach? that'll cut through the manufacturer's claims about what 'size' their frames are.
just as a comparison, i'm about the same height as you, and the stack and reach on my (reasonably relaxed geometry) go-to bike are 558mm and 380mm.

Stack is 522 and reach is 378 on XS canyon.
Stack is 534 and reach is 380 on my Rose.
Stack is 546 and reach is 385 on the small canyon.

Id say I'd be safe enough on the saddle height of say but id be afraid of knees hitting handle bars or something.

sann

jamesd wrote: »

I've a small cf slx and I am 5 7 too, happy enough with the size but would have liked to tried an xs too for size.
When I was ordering canyon were pushing me to a medium or a small.

Everytime I ever enter my measurements on a bike site it always seems to edge towards a slightly bigger size. E.g. a 52 in cannondale super 6. I went with a 50 and it was perfect. Gun to the head at the moment id be inclined to go with the Xs.
Nothing to do with the fact that it is in stock of course.......
Might take mates Small aeroad for a spin tomorrow first

sann

sann wrote: »

Stack is 522 and reach is 378 on XS canyon.
Stack is 534 and reach is 380 on my Rose.
Stack is 546 and reach is 385 on the small canyon.

Id say I'd be safe enough on the saddle height but id be afraid of knees hitting handle bars or something.

I do prefer a more aggressive setup if that makes any difference.

sann

So. Just a final update on this.
Ended up ordering the Canyon C.f. Sl 8.0
Decided to go with the Katusha red colour scheme in Xs.
It's in stock so hopefully won't be waiting too long.
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions.

sann

Recieved Canyon yesterday and initial opinion is that "Why didn't I stick with Rose "
It is nothing major, just personal opinion.
Found it a little bit fiddlier to put together, especially the aero cockpit. The spacers just didn't seem to lock in to each other brilliantly.
They have small locating dowels on each one but didn't seem to lock tight against each other.
I found myself getting very nervous while applying the various different torque settings. It was like something was going to give any second.
The build quality just does not seem to be on par with the Rose. Paint finish where cables enter frames etc.
When i assembled the Rose I never once needed to adjust any of the deraileurs or limit screws.
On my first spin on Canyon yesterday the whole drive train seemed to perform very poorly. As if there had been very little effort to set up the trimmer on the front detailed especially.
Not a big issue. 20 mins on the bike stand will have this all sorted but it gave me a clear message on what Canyon are happy to sign off on and ship.
Over than some chain rub on front deraileur and slightly out indexing in the back the bike felt good.
Didn't feel as good as the Rose in the steep stuff out of the saddle but I think I might need some more adjustment to get it set up closer to old bike.
All in all, I'm sure the Canyon will be a great bike but if I was to tell the truth and had my money back in my pocket today , I would be ordering a Rose x lite 6 and getting over the colour scheme.
Just an observation in case anyone else finds themselves trying to choose between them.