Western Society has got Decadent

JupiterKid

It seems to me that common sense has gone out the window on so many issues that are indulged by media luvvies and (gasp!!) virtue signallers.

The culture of celebrity has been taken to ridiculous extremes (ie the Kardashians and other such non entities), the whole transgender issue (kids being encouraged to "transition" , transgender male to females - pre op in many cases - insisting in competing in womens sport and using women only spaces - tennis legend Martina Navratilova has pointed out the unfair advantage this would give them...

...and she is attacked and called a TERF.
I am a gay man and firmly believe in equality and fairness but we are indulging ridiculous notions and the eternally offended attack anyone with a common sense approach.

Then you have a cultute of politics that is all style and posturing over actual substance. And people reacting to this - Brexit (a clusterf*ck of epic proportions) and Trump come to mind...

There is so much indulging in frivolous issues that IMO are whataboutery and distrations for more important considerations - like economic inequality, the environmental catastrophe, a lack of a long term vision for the world.

Posts on the LGBTQI forum get shot down and locked at the slightest questioning of the cosy consensus and it is not healthy.

Someone had a thread about cliques on boatds? QED...

Mr. Incognito

Social Media and the 24 hour news cycle has meant that people dont listen or think before they spout whatever vacous nonsense first comes into their head.

Its easy to avoid this stupidity.

Delete twitter and facebook and instagram. Life is better.

_Brian

If more people went out for a walk on a
Mountain or in a forest society would be better off.

Far too much focus on fame and celebrities and reality tv.

Allinall

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Social Media and the 24 hour news cycle has meant that people dont listen or think before they spout whatever vacous nonsense first comes into their head.

Its easy to avoid this stupidity.

Delete twitter and facebook and instagram. Life is better.

Agree 100%.

I don’t do Facebook , Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter or any of the rest.

I have WhatsApp which is restricted to family and friends.

All the rubbish passes me by and I don’t think I’m missing out.

Yamanoto

JupiterKid wrote: »

Posts on the LGBTQI forum get shot down and locked at the slightest questioning of the cosy consensus and it is not healthy.

There's a socially conservative gay Kilkenny farmer whose name escapes me, but I remember reading his blog and thinking he'd make for an interesting Mod on the LGBT forum.

freshpopcorn

Yamanoto wrote: »

There's a socially conservative gay Kilkenny farmer whose name escapes me, but I remember reading his blog and thinking he'd make for an interesting Mod on the LGBT forum.

I think your referring to Paddy Manning.

gozunda

Thank God. I thought for a moment this was another Eldon_Maxbank thread ...

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

I hate when the proper news reports on some Twitter squabble. Wtf is with that. Needless nonsense and making people care and invest in something which has no point, purpose or meaning.

Zorya

Your finger keeps slipping a tad to the right, when you want to write r sometimes it is a t, is this a Freudian slip, Jupitet? Maybe a sign of getting older when we all morph into conservative old prunes and give out about the filthy rock and roll.

Ah no, but seriously, there is a lot of BS out there.

jimgoose

Well, when you're (relatively) rich, safe, comfortable and well-fed, as just about everyone is in Western society, you can believe and spout any sort of happy horseshit you like, and it doesn't matter. :pac:

mzungu

JupiterKid wrote: »

It seems to me that common sense has gone out the window on so many issues that are indulged by media luvvies and (gasp!!) virtue signallers.

The culture of celebrity has been taken to ridiculous extremes (ie the Kardashians and other such non entities), the whole transgender issue (kids being encouraged to "transition" , transgender male to females - pre op in many cases - insisting in competing in womens sport and using women only spaces - tennis legend Martina Navratilova has pointed out the unfair advantage this would give them...

...and she is attacked and called a TERF.
I am a gay man and firmly believe in equality and fairness but we are indulging ridiculous notions and the eternally offended attack anyone with a common sense approach.

Then you have a cultute of politics that is all style and posturing over actual substance. And people reacting to this - Brexit (a clusterf*ck of epic proportions) and Trump come to mind...

There is so much indulging in frivolous issues that IMO are whataboutery and distrations for more important considerations - like economic inequality, the environmental catastrophe, a lack of a long term vision for the world.

Posts on the LGBTQI forum get shot down and locked at the slightest questioning of the cosy consensus and it is not healthy.

Someone had a thread about cliques on boatds? QED...

To be fair, the LGBTQI forum is meant to be a safe space and the prerequisites for posting are clearly outlined. There is plenty questioning of the consensus, but this would usually happen in AH.

As for the other points, I have big issues surrounding consumerism and all that goes with it. I find reality TV stars like the Kardashians and their ilk to be quite vapid and I don't get the appeal. It does distract the masses but then again, maybe the masses wish to be distracted?

Cryptopagan

What in the name of God has Brexit got to do with transgender issues?

gozunda

Reuben Young Trombonist wrote: »

I hate when the proper news reports on some Twitter squabble. Wtf is with that. Needless nonsense and making people care and invest in something which has no point, purpose or meaning.

Arrrgghhh*


*runs away

Decadent is exactly the word I use though it goes by many others. We have spent decades encouraging everyone that they matter, that what they think is important, their opinions are as valid as anyone else's, that the pursuit of happiness is happiness.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

gozunda wrote: »

Arrrgghhh*


*runs away

Honest to God, I mean when you have headlines like "Katy Perry is facing a Twitter backlash over blackface shoes" something is deeply wrong.

I'm disgusted with myself that that non-knowledge even occupies a part of my brain.

Squatter

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think your referring to Paddy Manning.

Interesting blog, thanks for making me aware of it. It's always nice to read the thoughts of someone refusing to conform to the zeitgeist / howling at the moon (select as you deem appropriate).

http://thickerthantalk.blogspot.com

Chris_Heilong

It was a mistake to give everyone a voice as the crazies now have a vehicle to spread their ideology to zealots who in the past would follow some religion and be appeased but now have become loud activists that want to remake the world in their image or burn the whole damn thing down.

suicide_circus

if history has taught us anything, its that civilisations and empires are temporary.

western society has certainly lost faith in itself. its is belittled and maligned from within by those who enjoy the fruits of its achievements.

Force Carrier

The world previously had a self correcting mechanism to right these imbalances.

The civilised becoming too civilised - too weak, self-indulgent, complacent and decadent could no longer defend themselves when tough, hardy, savage folk that invaded from the hills and forests. Destroying and at the same time taking possession of the plains and the towns. These people in turn becoming settled. civilised. Eventually decadent - and wild people came down from the hills and slaughtered them. Rinse and get some soap in your eye.

DEFTLEFTHAND

It's like the final days of the Roman Empire.

Don't worry though, nature always resets eventually. These things run in cycles.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

Force Carrier wrote: »

The world previously had a self correcting mechanism to right these imbalances.

The civilised becoming too civilised - too weak, self-indulgent, complacent and decadent could no longer defend themselves when tough, hardy, savage folk that invaded from the hills and forests. Destroying and at the same time taking possession of the plains and the towns. These people in turn becoming settled. civilised. Eventually decadent - and wild people came down from the hills and slaughtered them. Rinse and get some soap in your eye.

But who, nowadays, fulfils the role of the hill people? That's what worries me.

TomSweeney

_Brian wrote: »

If more people went out for a walk on a
Mountain or in a forest society would be better off.

Far too much focus on fame and celebrities and reality tv.

If more people went for a nice long long walk in the Red Forest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Forest) society would be a lot better off!!













sorry

TomSweeney

JupiterKid wrote: »

It seems to me that common sense has gone out the window on so many issues that are indulged by media luvvies and (gasp!!) virtue signallers.

The culture of celebrity has been taken to ridiculous extremes (ie the Kardashians and other such non entities), the whole transgender issue (kids being encouraged to "transition" , transgender male to females - pre op in many cases - insisting in competing in womens sport and using women only spaces - tennis legend Martina Navratilova has pointed out the unfair advantage this would give them...

...and she is attacked and called a TERF.
I am a gay man and firmly believe in equality and fairness but we are indulging ridiculous notions and the eternally offended attack anyone with a common sense approach.

Then you have a cultute of politics that is all style and posturing over actual substance. And people reacting to this - Brexit (a clusterf*ck of epic proportions) and Trump come to mind...

There is so much indulging in frivolous issues that IMO are whataboutery and distrations for more important considerations - like economic inequality, the environmental catastrophe, a lack of a long term vision for the world.

Posts on the LGBTQI forum get shot down and locked at the slightest questioning of the cosy consensus and it is not healthy.

Someone had a thread about cliques on boatds? QED...

I love the way JupiterKid thinks....

Your Face

Meh

Tabnabs

Commonly referred to as the Tytler Cycle



"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage

Alexander Tyler, 1787.

jimgoose

jimgoose wrote: »

Well, when you're (relatively) rich, safe, comfortable and well-fed, as just about everyone is in Western society, you can believe and spout any sort of happy horseshit you like, and it doesn't matter. :pac:

I would just add, on a more serious note, that this encouraging young children to be "transgender" is abuse, and for some reason everyone is terrified to say so for fear of being Twittered to death as an Unbeliever.

Relikk

Cryptopagan wrote: »

What in the name of God has Brexit got to do with transgender issues?

You might want to read the OP again. You're seeing things that aren't there.

Wibbs

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It was a mistake to give everyone a voice as the crazies now have a vehicle to spread their ideology to zealots who in the past would follow some religion and be appeased but now have become loud activists that want to remake the world in their image or burn the whole damn thing down.

The Interwebs potentially gives a platform to anyone with a connection and that's great, but it also gives a platform to the oddballs, the unhinged, the stupid, the dangerous and the shills and the shysters that we wouldn't otherwise have to deal with. What is common to that collection of people is they almost never see themselves as members of that list.

Of the "virtue signallers", the Nouveau Puritans of the multitude of current faiths? They're happiest on a censorship run of anything that unsettles them, or what they've been told unsettles them. These eejits give words way more power than they possess. They're like bronze age wizards thinking special words have magical powers and if we remove some and promote others then it'll all magically change.

Most of all I'd say the near unlimited choices of instant access public platforms today have given too many the freedom to be their "authentic self"; which in the case of the loudest voices is almost always an irritating little cunt. 

Reuben Young Trombonist wrote: »

Honest to God, I mean when you have headlines like "Katy Perry is facing a Twitter backlash over blackface shoes" something is deeply wrong.

Yep. All the news that shit to print. © To be fair to the media it was always thus all the way back to the caves. The mob wants easy listening "news" and gossip is everything. Graffiti on the walls of Rome don't mention Hannibal crossing the Alps, it's more like "Agrippina has tits that won't quit and she's ridin her head slave and you wouldn't believe what she spends on perfumes". Every generation craves it and every generation sniffs haughtily at it. In essence if you post a gif of a cat juggling a ball of wool it's almost certainly going to garner more "likes" than your most profound statement on your best day. It is what it is.

Wibbs

Reuben Young Trombonist wrote: »

But who, nowadays, fulfils the role of the hill people? That's what worries me.

Whichever group or civilisation that is sure of itself and its importance. Great empires fall not because of a lack of strength, but because of a lack of self confidence.

One eyed Jack

JupiterKid wrote: »

It seems to me that common sense has gone out the window on so many issues that are indulged by media luvvies and (gasp!!) virtue signallers.

The culture of celebrity has been taken to ridiculous extremes (ie the Kardashians and other such non entities), the whole transgender issue (kids being encouraged to "transition" , transgender male to females - pre op in many cases - insisting in competing in womens sport and using women only spaces - tennis legend Martina Navratilova has pointed out the unfair advantage this would give them...

...and she is attacked and called a TERF.
I am a gay man and firmly believe in equality and fairness but we are indulging ridiculous notions and the eternally offended attack anyone with a common sense approach.

I love you JK and all, but this is called “pulling the ladder up after yourself”

Then you have a cultute of politics that is all style and posturing over actual substance. And people reacting to this - Brexit (a clusterf*ck of epic proportions) and Trump come to mind...

There is so much indulging in frivolous issues that IMO are whataboutery and distrations for more important considerations - like economic inequality, the environmental catastrophe, a lack of a long term vision for the world.

Leo and Co. come to mind a lot quicker!

Posts on the LGBTQI forum get shot down and locked at the slightest questioning of the cosy consensus and it is not healthy.

Someone had a thread about cliques on boatds? QED...

Nah, I completely get the reasoning behind the cosy consensus on the LGBT forum, it’s exactly why I don’t post there any more. It’s healthy for the people who want to post there and have just one safe corner of the Internet for themselves so to speak, and it’s healthier for me too that I don’t post there any more as having to conform to political and social groupthink, and being expected to conform to or face sanctions, to positions and opinions I vehemently disagree with, used drive me round the bend. It’s a very supportive forum for anyone who already holds the beliefs and opinions though, and to put it in perspective - they are in a very, very tiny minority in terms of the number of people in Irish society who do not share their beliefs and opinions.

Nah, common sense is still fairly common. It’s only when you choose to put stuff under a magnifying glass that you imagine it’s more prevalent than it actually is.

jimgoose

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I love you JK and all, but this is called “pulling the ladder up after yourself”

I think he's more looking on appalled as the entire structure of the building he's standing on is replaced by elevator shafts.

Cryptopagan

Relikk wrote: »

You might want to read the OP again. You're seeing things that aren't there.

The OP posits that there is widespread decadence in Western culture, and cites the examples of transgender issues, Trump and Brexit. It's pretty transparently an attempt to yoke transgender issues to two very unpopular topics, Trump and Brexit, when they have nothing in common.

jimgoose

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The OP posits that there is widespread decadence in Western culture, and cites the examples of transgender issues, Trump and Brexit. It's pretty transparently an attempt to yoke transgender issues to two very unpopular topics, Trump and Brexit, when they have nothing in common.

To be quite accurate, he cites Trump and Brexit as examples of extreme reactions to the perceived decadence resulting from transgenderism and so forth. Not that I'd necessarily agree with him on that one, but I do think the Rainbow Gang are inclined to push it a bit. :pac:

DEFTLEFTHAND

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The OP posits that there is widespread decadence in Western culture, and cites the examples of transgender issues, Trump and Brexit. It's pretty transparently an attempt to yoke transgender issues to two very unpopular topics, Trump and Brexit, when they have nothing in common.

Unpopular to who though.

Trump and Brexit have just as many supporters as they do detractors. More supporters in fact if we go by democracy.

Relikk

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The OP posits that there is widespread decadence in Western culture, and cites the examples of transgender issues, Trump and Brexit. It's pretty transparently an attempt to yoke transgender issues to two very unpopular topics, Trump and Brexit, when they have nothing in common.

He's talking about media as a whole where the content is lacking in credibility by reporting on nonsense, which in turn has influenced the social media sheep that pander to the eternally offended, idiotic politicians who shock and fuel misinformation and cause division, and where people give honest, and sensible, opinions and are attacked by vocal minority groups. All because every idiot has a voice due to social media.

You're the one conflating those points, not the OP.

Tacklebox

Decadence is alluring and induces a high which eventually tapers off to a low.
The hangover is mind meltingly painful.

I think it's a good thing for people who have been there and hit the ground with a wallop.
I have all the material stuff, and a job which pays the bills, cant afford foreign holidays, cant save much either. Paid off my last of my depts last year.

I myself was there had it all, still have a lot of designer clothes from the 00's watches and boots, tools furniture.

Luckily I bought a lot of plain but classic cuts and designs, kept it simple.

Looked after the leather and wax jackets, boots and other toys i accumulated.
My sons following suit, he collects pop vinyls and collectors comics and buys any new first edition cult books in hardback on the double, boxes them for selling in the future.

I trool second hand bookshops and found some right jems.

Charity shops are great too, found a pair of size 9 worn redwing iron rangers a few weeks ago, they've been broken in so i don't have to.

Cryptopagan

Relikk wrote: »

He's talking about media as a whole where the content is lacking in credibility by reporting on nonsense, which in turn has influenced the social media sheep that pander to the eternally offended, idiotic politicians who shock and fuel misinformation and cause division, and where people give honest, and sensible, opinions and are attacked by vocal minority groups. All because every idiot has a voice due to social media.

You're the one conflating those points, not the OP.

You think that the issue of young people transitioning genders is caused by media "reporting on nonsense"?

Relikk

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Not at all surprising.

morebabies

Yes OP, and wading through the mire of people's offended feelings, it's very hard to get to the truth of anything anymore. What do we use to measure the truth when our government and media all sing from the same hymnsheet? Where is true diversity of opinion?

Everyone that says they subscribe to the groupthink is "brave", anyone that disagrees is hateful and bigoted, and must be silenced.

#metoo (!)

jimgoose

morebabies wrote: »

Yes OP, and wading through the mire of people's offended feelings, it's very hard to get to the truth of anything anymore. What do we use to measure the truth when our government and media all sing from the same hymnsheet? Where is true diversity of opinion?

Everyone that says they subscribe to the groupthink is "brave", anyone that disagrees is hateful and bigoted, and must be silenced.

#metoo (!)

Some earnest beardo on Facebook said to me "What you are speaking is pure Hate!!" last month after I said that there were a lot of travellers that'd take your gate while you're sitting on it, and that's why most regular folks don't trust them. :pac:

Ush1

The people in the hills are China, Russia, ISIS etc...

Sure China are already "colonising" parts of Africa.

Auntie Semite

Tabnabs wrote: »

Commonly referred to as the Tytler Cycle



"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage

Alexander Tyler, 1787.

Another version is:

Hard Times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times

Potential-Monke

First we had Empires with Emperors, then Kingdoms with Kings, now Countries with...

The problem isn't that anyone can have a voice these days, it's that people are willing to listen to anything which fits their agenda. Look at the Momo crap over the last month. Pretty sure not 1 case in Ireland has been linked to it (if at all in the world). But it didn't stop the wannabe 'great' parents from sharing it. No one actually looked into it before forwarding this garbage. I don't read papers anymore, because it's nothing but misery and rich people having fun. The news, while it does concentrate on some actual stories, often includes fluff pieces for the masses. Gossip on a global scale, and I hate gossip.

Common sense will soon have to be renamed uncommon sense, as it's severely lacking these days. Claims up the wazoo, people getting massive compensation for being a stupid coont. Life dolers having a better life than people working 40+ hours a week. People popping out kids like their a fashion trend, regardless of whether they can support them or not. Free houses for life for people who haven't worked a day in their lives. People illegally camping on private property demanding to be paid the cost of the land before moving on... Fuk this country, fuk this world. I'll live in my own little bubble, harming no one.

joe40

morebabies wrote: »

Yes OP, and wading through the mire of people's offended feelings, it's very hard to get to the truth of anything anymore. What do we use to measure the truth when our government and media all sing from the same hymnsheet? Where is true diversity of opinion?

Everyone that says they subscribe to the groupthink is "brave", anyone that disagrees is hateful and bigoted, and must be silenced.

#metoo (!)

So when exactly in the past did this "diversity of opinion" that you talk about exist. 1950s ireland perhaps.
There is plenty of silly opinions expressed online from all quarters but mostly noise. Extreme views are amplified but not representative of the real world.
Strawmen are built up all the time.

conorhal

If any article would inspire me to start digging that fallout shelter it's probably this one....

https://www.thejournal.ie/bezos-tops-forbes-rich-list-again-as-zuckerbergs-wealth-slips-4525145-Mar2019/
Social media personality and entrepreneur Kylie Jenner has become the world’s youngest self-made billionaire, according to this year’s (Forbes) list......

Sweet sunny Jesus.. Fan's even set up a gofundme to ensure she would secure that title. Humanity can go F itself at this stage.

batgoat

Op seems to think that being transgender is a modern issue. Transitioning might be more modern but otherwise I'd suspect it's always existed.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Unpopular to who though.

Trump and Brexit have just as many supporters as they do detractors. More supporters in fact if we go by democracy.

Given the mid terms being a historic defeat for GOP. Support for Trump has drastically diminished. Plus put to another referendum, I wouldn't be so sure of brexit passing. Consequences of it are slowly hitting home for the voters.

Cryptopagan

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Unpopular to who though.

Trump and Brexit have just as many supporters as they do detractors. More supporters in fact if we go by democracy.

In Ireland both are very unpopular.

joe40

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Another version is:

Hard Times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard tines

Heard that one before. It's a load on nonsense but appeals to certain types of people.

Hitler and Stalin were "strong men" what good times did they create.

Tacklebox

Potential-Monke wrote: »

First we had Empires with Emperors, then Kingdoms with Kings, now Countries with...

The problem isn't that anyone can have a voice these days, it's that people are willing to listen to anything which fits their agenda. Look at the Momo crap over the last month. Pretty sure not 1 case in Ireland has been linked to it (if at all in the world). But it didn't stop the wannabe 'great' parents from sharing it. No one actually looked into it before forwarding this garbage. I don't read papers anymore, because it's nothing but misery and rich people having fun. The news, while it does concentrate on some actual stories, often includes fluff pieces for the masses. Gossip on a global scale, and I hate gossip.

Common sense will soon have to be renamed uncommon sense, as it's severely lacking these days. Claims up the wazoo, people getting massive compensation for being a stupid coont. Life dolers having a better life than people working 40+ hours a week. People popping out kids like their a fashion trend, regardless of whether they can support them or not. Free houses for life for people who haven't worked a day in their lives. People illegally camping on private property demanding to be paid the cost of the land before moving on... Fuk this country, fuk this world. I'll live in my own little bubble, harming no one.

I hear you, or read you, which ever is politically correct as a response or reply, definitely not a reaction lol

You mention compensation, the irony of the plebs getting compo is its nearly gone back into the exchequer black market within a year, they just spend it on their selfish desires and they will be broke in no time.

Give me thirty grand and ill add 33% to it within a year.

I badly need insulation, a stove, orchard another shed and a new surfboard.
A vw camper would be good.
A new chainsaw would be handy too, and a trailer.

Buy shares in filtration systems is always a good idea.

o1s1n

conorhal wrote: »

Fan's even set up a gofundme to ensure she would secure that title. Humanity can go F itself at this stage.

Thankfully, with a little deeper reading, that was a piss take.

dermo888

JupiterKid wrote: »

I am a gay man and firmly believe in equality and fairness but we are indulging ridiculous notions and the eternally offended attack anyone with a common sense approach.

We can't win. If we call the nonsense out, we are accused of going against our own kind, and I'd regard myself on the more conservative side of the gay demographic.