Tesla Model Y

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123588865#Comment_123588865

It's not similar money because it's not like for like. I actually really like Skoda and the Enyaq is a nice looking horse. I was considering one and still would for a second car, used, to replace the Leaf. I prefer the older model, but that's just personal taste….same as I hate the old Model Y (because it looks like a stretched M3 in a clown house mirror) and really like the new one.

My old man loves the Skodas too and I recently tagged along when he went looking in the local showroom. I saw the from ~€45k on the enyaq. I sat in it and I liked the look of it mostly, but it wasn't comfortable for me. The seats just felt too flat, but was better after I adjusted the lumbar support. To bring it up to the display model spec, 45k turned into 62k. It all added up too quickly and I felt I would be getting a lot less for more money despite the 0% finance.

I've gone for the AWD MY and while I would have been perfectly happy with the 45k base model and 500km range, I am paying an extra 8k (give or take) for the extra horses and extra range I don't need. Sure, I get a few extra speakers, but whatever. I also figure I am more likely to get it sooner in the 252 plate because there will be a longer list for the base spec. For me, there is much better value in the Tesla and I don't think it can be beaten as an all-rounder for the money. I also need something with excellent back support and the M3 and soon to receive MY do this for me. The MY is a bit higher off the ground, so that is much better for me now.

reaction238

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589074#Comment_123589074

It's possible people don't fully understand what autopilot is doing. I've experienced what some would have considered phantom breaking. I was overtaking a truck on the motorway and it veered over onto the line as I was about to overtake. The car braked pretty hard. The truck corrected, moved properly into his lane and autopilot accelerated and carried on. If I wasn't paying attention or didn't fully understand whst just happened or didn't notice the truck was veering towards my lane, then I would probably be complaining about phantom breaking. Instead both myself and my passenger thought that was pretty cool. What id the truck was actually about to pull i to our lane. We'd be toast.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589238#Comment_123589238

It's possible people don't fully understand what autopilot is doing.

What you described is not what people experience as phantom braking. It happens when nothing is around… hence the term “phantom”.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589178#Comment_123589178

I’m not sure how recent you were in the Skoda showroom but the base model 85 facelift now comes with way more spec than the non facelift car did. I think they needed to justify the price walk from the Elroq. Better chance of a decent trade in too than Tesla if that’s an issue. Tesla is obviously way ahead on tech and efficiency.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589299#Comment_123589299

2 weeks ago. Was doing the rounds

reaction238

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589287#Comment_123589287

But does it really? Something is around otherwise it wouldn't be braking.

I gave an example of how it can appear to be braking for no reason. I could just as easily posted something along the lines of "I was crusing along and the car braked suddenly for no reason".

I wouldn't read too much into these youtubers, they get paid to generate content, clicks and views.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589373#Comment_123589373

I done Dublin to Galway and back in a MY this week. Not one single fault with AP. Other than being a bit slow to speed up when the car in front moves out of the way.

At 130km/h, you have to nudge the wheel every 16 seconds. I think I need one of those wheel buddies!

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123588865#Comment_123588865

Nice car but now powered seat drop for rears, no std heat pump, no ventilated seats, no glass roof, that's just off the top of my head, you are paying 55-60 for an Enyaq with equivalent spec.

maidhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589538#Comment_123589538

You are less likely to be married to the Skoda, and it looks far nicer which must count for something.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589562#Comment_123589562

Free indicator stalks and parking sensors too.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589562#Comment_123589562

Disagree on both counts personally. The id4 and Enyaq are pretty bland as you would expect from vw, the cupra and audis are the 'lookers' at either end of the price range.

Didn't like the old y but the juniper is pretty striking.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589570#Comment_123589570

The juniper doesnt have an indicator stalk?

Post edited as mixed you up with another tesla curious poster

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589404#Comment_123589404

I had one of those wheel weights in the teslaunch basket, but saw a review that it did nothing. With the smaller diameter wheel, I think that might be true. That’s why I am interested in the anti-nag chip I posted yesterday or the day before. If it works, I’ll get one.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589373#Comment_123589373

I’m not referring to YouTubers. I don’t place much weight on their opinions. I stopped watching most of them a few years ago now.

I’m referring to real world users.

Something is around otherwise it wouldn't be braking.

The key thing is that the “system” thinks something is there but there isn’t. It could be something like sun glare or it sees a sign from a side road and thinks that’s the new limit or any other number of unknown reasons that only Tesla really understand but the bottom line is that it is a real thing.

You can’t dismiss other people’s real world experience because you havent experienced it and your anecdote isn’t phantom braking as there was a reasonably obvious reason for it (a truck crossing into your lane) so it did what every car should do, which is avoid the truck and people would recognise that as normal not phantom braking

reaction238

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589631#Comment_123589631

I think i can dismiss other people's opinions, especially as I have already pointed out a lot of.people simply don't understand what autopilot is doing. It's far more like there is an explanation than it is breaking for no reason. It's also perfectly reasonable that it could judge an object to be a hazard when it is not. It is.mimicking human driving behaviour which is not perfect. It also goes without saying that it does not have human intelligence. Again, its people not really understanding what is going on.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589562#Comment_123589562

I have enyaks saved over 6 weeks on DD. Still sitting there price dropping. You’ll be married to any car if it’s not priced correctly.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589660#Comment_123589660

It's also perfectly reasonable that it could judge an object to be a hazard when it is not.

This ^^ is exactly the point. It “sees” a hazard that doesn’t actually exist and so it phantom brakes.

so you seem to agree?!

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589962#Comment_123589962

Happened me in the 530e.
Passing under a bridge on the N2. System must have perceived the dark solid lined shadow of the bridge as a barrier and slammed on the brakes.

reaction238

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589962#Comment_123589962

I don't agree with labelling it a phantom. It has seen a hazard, whether it actually was or not is irrelevant. I'm also questioning what people consider to be potential hazards. It's very likely that people can't even recognise a potential hazard on the road, considering the abysmal standards in driving over the last decade or two.

For example, someone mentioned a truck on the opposite side of the road. Thats not a potential hazard, really?

I've had it brake for a truck in the lane beside me. There was no hazard, but something was off that caused it to take caution.

What I'm disagreeing with is that there is a bug in the system. What do people want? For it to ignore an oncoming truck or a truck in the adjacent lane? Just be glad it was watching and prepared for an accident, because the people complaining obviously were clueless to any danger.

Marty Bird

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589589#Comment_123589589

Yes juniper has the indicator stalks. Personally preferred the push button indicators on the highland.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589991#Comment_123589991

I was put off highland with the push button indicators. I’m also put off by the single lever on the Juniper, but I have ordered the hardwire stalk to make it a proper system. A single stick on, battery operated one wouldn’t feel right. The hardwire kit looks great and is just the ticket for me. I’ll put up a video when I get my car and see how easy or hard the install is.

Marty Bird

Any recommendations for a bike carrier for the Juniper? I don’t have a tow bar.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589991#Comment_123589991

I know I was pointing out the silliness of the statement 😀

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589985#Comment_123589985

Happened with both my Etrons at some point too emergency braking at some perceived and Invisible danger!

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123589986#Comment_123589986

To suggest that whether a hazard is real or not is irrelevant misses the fundamental point of safe driving. When Autopilot brakes sharply without warning for a non existent threat is, in itself, creating a hazard because the driver has no context for the sudden deceleration and may not react in time to prevent an accident happening because of that action.

I raised the example of the truck on the opposite side of the road and you questioned why it shouldn't be seen as a potential hazard and cause the system to brake suddenly.
A experienced driver assesses the situation with context where they see the truck and see it's position on the road, it's trajectory, and concludes that it doesn't pose a threat. They don't brake for no reason.
An advanced driving system should be capable of the same nuanced assessment.

Drivers want a reliable and predictable system that interprets surroundings with a degree of intelligence that surpasses, or at least matches that of a competant driver. A system that brakes suddenly for no discernible reason creates a stressful driving experience, rather than a more relaxing one.

There are countless videos on youtube showing autopilot braking suddenly when there's no hazard on the road, no oncoming traffic.
It's a hardware limitation that will continue to exist because there's no other sensor redundancy such as radar to act as a checker to correct for vision misinterpretation.

reaction238

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123593043#Comment_123593043

I've watched the video again and the truck comes pretty close. The reviewer takes the opportunity to say he's just experienced ghost braking. He is completely oblivious that a truck took a wide angle as they were both passing by on a bend and is noticeably distracted while making his video, often looking into the cameras. The software did an excellent job imo.

This is exactly my point, a lot of people will be completely unaware at way the car is braking and come to inaccurate assumptions.

Does it brake for no reason? It probably does. As do all adaptive cruise control systems as others have already pointed out. It's simply where the technology is at in 2025. Is it a problem? No not if you understand why it has happened.

MojoMaker

My 330e used to do the same phantom braking, was quite disconcerting.

Which manufacturer/platform has radar and executes this function flawlessly?

maidhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123593351#Comment_123593351

I have never experienced it with the Camry in 50k kms, the rear cross traffic is a bit jumpy alright mind… but do Tesla’s even have that?

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123593351#Comment_123593351

I haven’t experienced phantom braking in the ID.3. I experience it more than I’d like in the Tesla.

How people can say it’s not a real thing and it’s just stupid people not paying attention is just rose tinted glasses in my view.

Maybe other cars experience it too, that’s fine, but at least admit it’s a real thing and not dismiss people’s real world experience (not directed at you Mojo)

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123594233#Comment_123594233

Yes Teslas have rear traffic and pedestrian cross traffic alert and avoidance.
Great for reversing out of narrow tight spaces in underground’s etc