More speed ramps

Phil.x

Just seen a fingal plan for more speed ramps in dublin 15, crazy.

Speed ramps in housing estates that already have ramps.

Victor

Phil.x wrote: »

Just seen a fingal plan for more speed ramps in dublin 15, crazy.

Care to share where?

Speed ramps in housing estates that already have ramps.

This would seem to indicate an ongoing problem.

BlazingSaddler

I’d be quite happy to see another couple of speed ramps in my estate

Phil.x

Went over the most sharpest of speed ramps that was freshly installed at the entrance to allendale today.

Is its fingals sole purpose to cover every road in these f'ing things.

beauf

I also hate them. But people drive like morons these days especially in estates. Only going to see more of them.

DvB

Would happily see them added to my own estate. Some of the driving in ours is a disgrace, its only a matter of time before someone is hit by one of these idiots thinking they're in a rally car or suchlike.

jeffk

Makes me laugh when this happens and the usual people join in with sure it will save lives etc


People still pull out of drives, turns etc like its their road
Cars still be parked here there everywhere, driveways are for show now it seems
Then a bonus feature is the path seems to be an extension for peoples driveway for the few who do choose to use them
Bin trucks, ambulances etc good luck to them getting in and out to do their business

But gotta get them speed ramps ASAP

beauf

I have no idea what point you're making, if any.

Plus and negatives to everything. Some studies show speed humps are associated with up to 60% reduction in the odds of injury or death. In the absence of other controls and enforcement it's the bull in the China shop approach.

But if people didn't drive dangerously so often they wouldn't be needed. Until society decides it's socially unacceptable these issues will continue.

Nijmegen

Speed ramps pretty much have to be harsh to be effective. There's places where they are gentle ramps and you can fly over them at 80km/h and it wouldn't perturb you or the car.

Could use with them up at the Hollywoodrath end of R121 on that bendy piece of road they refused to close despite it being in the planning from years back once the estate went in. People bombing along a road with sharp turns where people live and are trying to get out of their driveways. Fun. Nearly got taken head on twice because some idiots decided they couldn't wait for a person to turn into their driveway and sped out into me and oncoming traffic instead in the other lane. A speed ramp or two taking their car apart while they do it would be welcome.

handlemaster

Op.. where is the link to where these new speed bumps are going ?

Phil.x

handlemaster wrote: »

Op.. where is the link to where these new speed bumps are going ?

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/proposed-traffic-calming-measures-dublin-15-area-0

Pinch Flat

I’d love to see the speed cushions in Riverwood replaced with something more effective. The newly installed speed meters are showing up how useless they are.

As someone said above, until people driving like d!cks in residential areas they’re still needed

Phil.x

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I’d love to see the speed cushions in Riverwood replaced with something more effective. The newly installed speed meters are showing up how useless they are.

As someone said above, until people driving like d!cks in residential areas they’re still needed

Do you drive over them yourself? Asking as id be surprised if car drivers are calling for harsher ramps unless they drive a company car that can transverse ramps with no issue, comfort or risk of damage.

My car cannot, its not new and some ramps make you feel like you're mounting a footpath.

I did think a few months back that if they do install more ramps in and around allendale I'll look at getting a type of suv with a wide track when the time comes to change my car whenever that is.

Eventhough i cycle 5 days to work, i can't stand the fact that fingal thinks it ok to dump lumps of tar because one person contacted their local td or a cheap way out for bad road planning.

Im sure 99% of the allendale residents didn't even know about these planned ramps until they hit them head on.

God love the hartstown residents.

beauf

The age of the car is not the factor. Its how stiffly sprung the car is. A lot of modern cars in the last 20 yrs especially audi decided that stiff=sporty=better handling. Which isn't true but it became the fashion to have overly rigid suspension. Same with low profile tyres. Makes for very harsh ride unless it's super smooth road. Some cars even not sporty ones just wear out early on speed ramps. It's just the design of the suspension.

If you have a car with a soft suspension you don't really notice many of these ramps. Or an SUV as you say.

That said it's miserable having to drive over them all the time.

Hurrache

Nijmegen wrote: »

Could use with them up at the Hollywoodrath end of R121 on that bendy piece of road they refused to close despite it being in the planning from years back once the estate went in.

Off topic but they didn't refuse to close it, residents in the area successfully argued and lobbied against it.

avalidusername

Have a good look at the plan and you'll see nowhere near all the ramps are in housing estates. From the areas I'd pass by regularly;

1) The Clonsilla Road one is directly outside a primary school.

2) Station Road Ongar is one of the main junctions between the schools in Ongar and newer developments across the Ongar road. Many road users seem to love drifting off the roundabout without signalling, same goes for further up the road at the Allendale roundabout where it's common for drivers to drift off the roundabout into the Hansfield/Barnwell estate with no heed to anybody crossing the road.

3) Allendale Drive is a long stretch of road onto Manorfields drive which drivers refuse to yield at and fly onto the road bypassing the stop sign. There has been quite a few collisions at this T junction over the years, someone had a thread blaming it on the Manorfields speed bumps slowing down speeding traffic and they crashed essentially!

4) Roselawn Road has a narrow stretch of actual road due to cars being parked on the roadside all the time. It might not be a speeding zone, but road calming/slowing measures might help avoid residents getting smashed into as they reverse out of their driveway because someone saw no traffic and a straight bit of road.

The problem is not with the amount of traffic calming measures, it's that traffic calming measures are still needed even outside a primary school because people are too dumb to drive with regard to anyone elses safety, let alone their own.

Phil.x

avalidusername wrote: »

Have a good look at the plan and you'll see nowhere near all the ramps are in housing estates. From the areas I'd pass by regularly;

2) Station Road Ongar is one of the main junctions between the schools in Ongar and newer developments across the Ongar road. Many road users seem to love drifting off the roundabout without signalling, same goes for further up the road at the Allendale roundabout where it's common for drivers to drift off the roundabout into the Hansfield/Barnwell estate with no heed to anybody crossing the road.


3) Allendale Drive is a long stretch of road onto Manorfields drive which drivers refuse to yield at and fly onto the road bypassing the stop sign. There has been quite a few collisions at this T junction over the years, someone had a thread blaming it on the Manorfields speed bumps slowing down speeding traffic and they crashed essentially!

Station road already has speed ramps and the design of the road was to incorporate sharp bends in an effort to reduce speed.

You're so far wrong with allendale that its not worth replying.

And its reported to an garda and fingal about the multiple pile up on manorfields road due to the installation of those speed ramps.

Im getting a sneaky feeling you work for fingal and have seen my emails.

beauf

How do speed ramps causes pile ups?

Phil.x

beauf wrote: »

How do speed ramps causes pile ups?

Maybe thats a question for insurance companies to answer or fingal planners.

beauf

The only way I can think this happens is someone brakes hard for a ramp, person behind too close, too fast and not paying attention.

Lots of very poor driving habits have become normalized now.

TheValeyard

At least its not those narrow rubber ones. I hate them. No matter how slow you go over them, it still rocks the car!

beauf

TheValeyard wrote: »

At least its not those narrow rubber ones. I hate them. No matter how slow you go over them, it still rocks the car!

Yeah they are horrific. Hit one once full speed in an old land rover, as a passenger. I can still feel it a couple of decades later.

Polar101

Maybe it's also a problem that there are quite a few different kinds of ramps around D15 - I know not all roads are the same, but couldn't they build some fairly standard type of ramps around. That way drivers would at least know what to expect, now it's always "wow, that ramp was bad".

Phil.x

beauf wrote: »

The only way I can think this happens is someone brakes hard for a ramp, person behind too close, too fast and not paying attention.

Lots of very poor driving habits have become normalized now.

That crash happened the very next day those ramps were installed, it was bad on fingals behalf for not giving any advanced warnings of intended works, they are quick to install, cheap and aggressive, installed in about an hour or two, Just like allendale and others they just appear.

I wonder what the poor people of hartstown think with a road full of those ramps, its certainly one way to decrease the value of your home no doubt, that road is so bad i stopped using that petrol station.

beauf

If a line of cars run into the back of each other it's not the fault of what's in front of the first car.

The ramp is irrelevant. If anything it proves that it is needed. None of us are perfect drivers. We are human and make mistakes.

We all hate ramps.

I thought these were bad for “climate”? Though there’s no tax to be made from that one.

beauf

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I thought these were bad for “climate”? Though there’s no tax to be made from that one.

Everything's bad for the climate.

00sully

beauf wrote: »

Yeah they are horrific. Hit one once full speed in an old land rover, as a passenger. I can still feel it a couple of decades later.

Some great unintentional ramp promotion comments on this thread, but this is the best! Or maybe my delecious ironing meter is broken again

fletch

If you think the Hartstown ramps are bad, take a drive through Corduff.

jeffk

fletch wrote: »

If you think the Hartstown ramps are bad, take a drive through Corduff.

I avoid it unless I have to.

Of course you had the usual politician's using their arrival to gain popularity , says it all

You can also see the scuff marks from the bus wheels hitting off them

Nijmegen

Hurrache wrote: »

Off topic but they didn't refuse to close it, residents in the area successfully argued and lobbied against it.

Yeah, not the residents living on the road tho. And there was noises made then about speed ramps going in, none of which have been put in whilst more and more houses are completed and sold on the road. It really isn't a suitable thru road to have houses facing on to the way people drive around it, so the speed ramps are badly needed.

Hurrache

That's a problem with planning though, I don't think it was a condition that the road was to be closed, nor should it be, on permission being granted.

Phil.x

fletch wrote: »

If you think the Hartstown ramps are bad, take a drive through Corduff.

Thanks but no thanks, i don't want repair bills this time of year.

ongarboy

My personal bugbear with exiting Ongar and turning right onto Manorfields Drive towards Allendale roundabout since those speed ramps were introduced is that as all traffic has now slowed down, it makes it harder to get an opportunity to exit. Previously, cars may have flown by at relative speed but it meant there were more (and longer) gaps between traffic to exit safely. Now you have a constant stream of braking and backed up traffic travelling over the ramps at varying speeds from both directions (some drivers actually grind to a halt just before the ramp before moving off again at 1kph!!). It therefore takes a lot longer to exit when turning right.

I'm all for road safety and am not against speed ramps per se but I don't think it reduces collisions on that particular road. If someone is careless enough to drive out in front of a moving car and is unable to guage the speed and safe distance of that car, ramps or no ramps will prevent accidents (possibly just less severity of a collision if at high speed).

TheValeyard

I'm still annoyed over the changes and ramps they put in around the Carpenter Pub.

Pinch Flat

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'm still annoyed over the changes and ramps they put in around the Carpenter Pub.

Considering there’s two schools near there and kids regularly had to run the gauntlet, I think it’s much improved safety for them there

Nijmegen

Hurrache wrote: »

That's a problem with planning though, I don't think it was a condition that the road was to be closed, nor should it be, on permission being granted.

It was in the FCC development plan since 2013.

TheValeyard

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Considering there’s two schools near there and kids regularly had to run the gauntlet, I think it’s much improved safety for them there

I'd disagree. I've seen cars nearly rear end another and mount the kerb. I think it was poorly designed and could have been done in a better manner. Or at least place in proper green man crossings rather than the zebra way.

Pinch Flat

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'd disagree. I've seen cars nearly rear end another and mount the kerb. I think it was poorly designed and could have been done in a better manner. Or at least place in proper green man crossings rather than the zebra way.

It’ll take a while for people to get used to them. If they’re nearly rear ending cars and mounting kerbs, they probably just need to adjust their driving style.

LorelaiG

Didn't a kid get knocked down there just this week

TheValeyard

LorelaiG wrote: »

Didn't a kid get knocked down there just this week

That was next to the private school and was a 40year old man I think.

daymobrew

TheValeyard wrote: »

That was next to the private school and was a 40year old man I think.

I believe that it was a runner who was on the footpath!

beauf

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'd disagree. I've seen cars nearly rear end another and mount the kerb. I think it was poorly designed and could have been done in a better manner. Or at least place in proper green man crossings rather than the zebra way.

I'd agree its poorly designed. The crossing are too close to the roundabout. Its just agricultural. But on the flip side the ramps are so massive it does force all the traffic to slow, even off peak.

That people nearly rear end each other because they don't see that monstrosity of a junction just shows how badly people are driving especially in suburban areas. Commuting by bicycle around the city, D15 is one of my least areas to cycle through because drivers drive much faster, and pass much closer, and more aggressively than many other areas.

That said a roundabout that is designed so that people are going to stop suddenly in the middle of it is asking for trouble.
No one is expecting that.

Hurrache

Nijmegen wrote: »

It was in the FCC development plan since 2013.

But not planning for the housing development.

Former Former

Ramps have gone in on the road going into the St Mochtas and Windmill estates just off the Clonsilla Road. Long, long overdue so well done Fingal.

Nijmegen

Hurrache wrote: »

But not planning for the housing development.

The development plan was created with the idea that housing would be built in that area alongside the development of the N2-N3 interconnector, which is why the road closure was put into the plan; as it was quite sensibly reasoned that zoning for housing and having them facing onto an old, windy, speed prone road was a bad idea. It'll sadly take an accident for someone to get sense. Incidentally, last night I had my 3rd miss with someone aggressively overtaking a person turning into their driveway and coming at me head on at great speed on their way to wherever using it as a thru road.

Phil.x

Fingal and its councillors relentless pursuit in littering every road in fingal with speed ramps continues...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/proposals-for-traffic-calming-measures-on-roads-in-north-and-west-dublin-outlined-1.4236450%3fmode=amp

Hurrache

11 for the whole of D15, not too many considering. And I'm sure they didn't decide on them without lobbying from locals.

d15ude

I hate driving over them myself.
But unfortunately they are necessary - too many inconsidered a**holes racing through residential areas.

Victor

Phil.x wrote: »

Fingal and its councillors relentless pursuit in littering every road in fingal with speed ramps continues...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/proposals-for-traffic-calming-measures-on-roads-in-north-and-west-dublin-outlined-1.4236450%3fmode=amp

Someone was recently caught doing 225 km/h, I think in a 100 km/h area. Until people behave, engineering changes will have to happen.

beauf

Phil.x wrote: »

Fingal and its councillors relentless pursuit in littering every road in fingal with speed ramps continues...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/proposals-for-traffic-calming-measures-on-roads-in-north-and-west-dublin-outlined-1.4236450%3fmode=amp

I hate them and I think they've damaged my cars. But people drive like morons locally. I can't see much alternative.