Mandatory speed limiters due on all cars within three years

drunkmonkey

All new cars sold in the EU are set to be fitted with mandatory speed limiters within three years, after a key group of MEPs approved the fitment of a wide range of safety measures for new cars.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/103530/mandatory-speed-limiters-due-on-all-cars-within-three-years

Kinda think we should get out of Europe now with the Brits.

mloc123

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Kinda think we should get out of Europe now with the Brits.

Britain are leaving Europe? How are they gonna manage that?

wonski

mloc123 wrote: »

Britain are leaving Europe? How are they gonna manage that?

They are moving to Asia. Somewhere with good take aways

TrailerBob

Yeah, a lad up the road got the contract, 1500 JCBs on hire for the job

fricatus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Kinda think we should get out of Europe now with the Brits.

If you want to live somewhere lawless and poor, Albania’s not that far. And the weather is better.

Anyway, bring it on - I make an effort to obey the speed limits now ever since I got my first (and hopefully last) penalty points. I’m sick of fcukers hanging on my bumper when I’m going as fast as I legally can. Go to a track if you want to speed. The roads are there for everyone to get from A to B on, not for idiots to dick about, thinking they’re Sebastian Loeb.

TrailerBob

Speed limiters won't stop tailgating.. but the tech is there to stop it with adaptive cruise control. Car could automatically slow when within a certain distance of the car in front. No reason to not do it that I can see

Not a chance of this being introduced.

Atlantic Dawn

Will make overtaking fun, expect deaths to rise by the hundred.

Leonard Hofstadter

They can be overriden, it says in the article you just have to press a switch to disable them but you have to do it every time you start the car. Even when it is in force, if you press the accelerator fully down it will be temporarily disabled so you can still overtake safely.

SEPT 23 1989

The sooner the robots are driving the better

The joy of motoring is long dead

LillySV

fricatus wrote: »

If you want to live somewhere lawless and poor, Albania’s not that far. And the weather is better.

Anyway, bring it on - I make an effort to obey the speed limits now ever since I got my first (and hopefully last) penalty points. I’m sick of fcukers hanging on my bumper when I’m going as fast as I legally can. Go to a track if you want to speed. The roads are there for everyone to get from A to B on, not for idiots to dick about, thinking they’re Sebastian Loeb.

Shur why don’t ya stick to public transport so if you find it so bad.

If u do decide to stick with driving then see how u like it when your trying to pass someone and they decide to up the speed as your in the middle of passing... stuck beside them and a car coming your way... I’m sure you’ll be a big fan of speed limiter then

TCM

Sandra Brief Commando wrote:

Not a chance of this being introduced.

Thankfully.

colm_mcm

AutoExpress is not to be trusted, it’s the like the daily mail for cars.

LillySV

colm_mcm wrote: »

AutoExpress is not to be trusted, it’s the like the daily mail for cars.

I hope your right... eu is treating its citizens like children... they’re taking away more of our rights each year... all for our good of course...

pa990

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All new cars sold in the EU are set to be fitted with mandatory speed limiters within three years, after a key group of MEPs approved the fitment of a wide range of safety measures for new cars.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/103530/mandatory-speed-limiters-due-on-all-cars-within-three-years

Kinda think we should get out of Europe now with the Brits.

My car has a limiter already.

155mph

colm_mcm

LillySV wrote: »

I hope your right... eu is treating its citizens like children... they’re taking away more of our rights each year... all for our good of course...

Blah blah, straight bananas

blackbox

I had a car with a speed limiter. You could set it whatever speed you chose.

It had a safety feature that if you floored the pedal it would be overridden.

It wasn't terrible, but not something i'd choose from the options list.

demanufactured

Citroen already have these...

the_pen_turner

my van has an adjustable limiter. its great. i set it to 50 for driving around towns or cities.

Ning

Great news

blackbox

blackbox wrote: »

I had a car with a speed limiter. You could set it whatever speed you chose.

It had a safety feature that if you floored the pedal it would be overridden.

It wasn't terrible, but not something i'd choose from the options list.

The speed limiter on my car is great! I get on the M7 roadworks and set the speedlimiter, so I don't go over 60kph as it's actually very easy to go over it when the road is quiet. Avoid the points from the speed vans that are a permanent fixture.

V8 Interceptor

fricatus wrote: »

bring it on - I make an effort to obey the speed limits.

Is that you Simon?


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bring-it-on-simon-harris-taunting-his-critics-ahead-of-no-confidence-motion-37834910.html

Isambard

my car has a limiter which I never use, preferring the cruise control. My Bro-in-law's car which lives at our house has speed sign recognition, simple matter to join all the elements together .

I welcome it anyway, most cars I encounter are under the limit anyway.

Del2005

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All new cars sold in the EU are set to be fitted with mandatory speed limiters within three years, after a key group of MEPs approved the fitment of a wide range of safety measures for new cars.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/103530/mandatory-speed-limiters-due-on-all-cars-within-three-years

Kinda think we should get out of Europe now with the Brits.

How will this work on the 80km/h roads with grass up the middle? Plenty of places where doing the speed limit is too fast so it's not really much use, but does make it look like something is being done.

Phileas Frog

Del2005 wrote: »

How will this work on the 80km/h roads with grass up the middle? Plenty of places where doing the speed limit is too fast so it's not really much use, but does make it look like something is being done.

It's a maximum speed limit, not a target

Isambard

Del2005 wrote: »

How will this work on the 80km/h roads with grass up the middle? Plenty of places where doing the speed limit is too fast so it's not really much use, but does make it look like something is being done.

it doesn't make you travel at the limit, it merely stops you going over it.

blackbox

Del2005 wrote: »

How will this work on the 80km/h roads with grass up the middle? Plenty of places where doing the speed limit is too fast so it's not really much use, but does make it look like something is being done.

I have it on good authority that the EU are already testing cameras that can detect grass and feed back to a speed controller.

Clareman

My BMW has this already, there's a limit on the cruise control and there's also a warning if you go over a certain speed which you can set

Damien360

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All new cars sold in the EU are set to be fitted with mandatory speed limiters within three years, after a key group of MEPs approved the fitment of a wide range of safety measures for new cars.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/103530/mandatory-speed-limiters-due-on-all-cars-within-three-years

Kinda think we should get out of Europe now with the Brits.

I can't read that article without hearing a pro Brexit person screaming "look what the EU wants us to do now".

uck51js9zml2yt

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The sooner the robots are driving the better

The joy of motoring is long dead

I drove from Kerry to Dublin this week. Put on the cruise control. It was a joy to drive up and down for the day.:)

My car also has a limiter. Handy in those 50 kmh zones.

vectra

My car has cruise/speed limiter/and trafic sign recognition.
I read an article that the facelift model Mondeo due soon will have an auto speed limiter system.

Clareman

Sylvie Fluffy Numeral wrote: »

I drove from Kerry to Dublin this week. Put on the cruise control. It was a joy to drive up and down for the day.:)

I'm up and down to Dublin a couple of times a week, cruise control, decent coffee and decent music makes even the roadworks joy, I always laugh at the speeders who go bombing past only to be stuck at the toll, if you're in such a rush get a tag

Dravokivich

How will it work though?

Signage detection ? I was going up the Belgard road the other day and and one of the signs from the opposite side had been turned around to face me. So I was met with both 80 and 50.

Cant be by GPS either, as dual carriage ways can have massive differences in opposing directions also.

Isambard

Dravokivich wrote: »

How will it work though?

Signage detection ? I was going up the Belgard road the other day and and one of the signs from the opposite side had been turned around to face me. So I was met with both 80 and 50.

Cant be by GPS either, as dual carriage ways can have massive differences in opposing directions also.

well that's the two systems mentioned.

Dravokivich

Isambard wrote: »

well that's the two systems mentioned.

Yeah, but also how they wont work.

Isambard

it always surprises me that speed limits have to be the same in either direction, i've yet to come across a dual carriageway with differing limits in each direction.
Turning round signs isn't frequent enough to make it a reason not to use sign recognition.

Dravokivich

They all do around Dublin.

Quackster

Isambard wrote: »

...I've yet to come across a dual carriageway with differing limits in each direction.

N11 @ Kilmacalogue is one that comes to mind.

brightspark

On my daily commute there is an 80km stretch of road where there is a speed van at least once every week. I've been choosing to set the speed limiting function on my CMax to 80 (road is unsuitable for cruise control). I never have to worry about getting a speeding fine. As suggested in the proposed legislation when you accelerate hard enough the limiter is automatically disabled which is useful when passing tractors etc.

brightspark

Dravokivich wrote:

Cant be by GPS either, as dual carriage ways can have massive differences in opposing directions also.

The GPS system would be able to tell what direction you are going?

Dravokivich

brightspark wrote: »

The GPS system would be able to tell what direction you are going?

Any gps I've used with speed limits in it, can only store 1 for a stretch of the road.

mickdw

Are we talking about speed warning systems like most of us have already becoming mandatory or are we talking about actual limiters where the car wouldnt allow itself over the posted limit?
I wouldn't be a fan of an outright limiter.

Dartz

Isambard wrote: »

my car has a limiter which I never use, preferring the cruise control. My Bro-in-law's car which lives at our house has speed sign recognition, simple matter to join all the elements together .

I welcome it anyway, most cars I encounter are under the limit anyway.

I've driven cars with the speed recognition thing where it gets triggered by the dropped limit on some slip roads...


While I'm doign 100kph past them on the main road.



There's a few northbound on the N11 that trip it.



Anyway, I could fool it with a bit of tape in anyways

brightspark

Dravokivich wrote:

Any gps I've used with speed limits in it, can only store 1 for a stretch of the road.

Dravokivich wrote:

Any gps I've used with speed limits in it, can only store 1 for a stretch of the road.

Just because the existing systems that you have used are unable to have different limits for a stretch of road it doesn't mean that a system can't be created that can do it.

Isambard

an electric drill and a nut and bolt are all that's needed to stop signs being moved.

doolox

When overtaking I floor it regardless of speed limits or other legal requirements.
Getting back to my own side of the road as quickly as possible is the first and over riding priority. Many overtaking drivers stick to just under the speed limit when overtaking putting themselves in extreme danger when they suddenly discover an oncoming car is actually going a lot faster than they originally estimated.
Even worse are the drivers who game the system when being overtaken by accelerating suddenly to defeat the over-taker and prevent him from getting ahead on the road.

Having one of those things fitted to a car will be like driving a car with a dodgy fuel feed system, likely to drop power at any minute when you most need it.

Like the original Airbus fly-by-wire systems which caused crashes due to pilot and systems interaction errors, I foresee accidents unless the powers that be allow a significant margin of power and speed over the limits prevailing in a particular section of road.

I have come across car drivers accelerating when being overtaken by HGV's which are fitted with speed limiters and then pulling in front of the HGV's slamming on their brakes to annoy the HGV driver. Because cars are not fitted with speed limiters at the present time some car drivers play games with HGV drivers on public roads slowing them down unnecessarily and vindictively. The car drivers are probably disgruntled or recently fired HGV drivers or failed their HGV tests or have some grudge against HGV drivers in general.

Some car driving lunatics overtake HGVS repeatedly on motorways and brake in front of them for some imagined sport or slight. I've seen this late evenings on the M6 west of Kinnegad.

Isambard

i believe it's already been said that the limiter can be over-ridden at need by vigorous acceleration

Peatys

As long as they can limit cars to 20 going past schools or in housing estates, bring it on.

But no, it'll be 120 on motorways. The people who are for this should have no say in what decent drivers do in the road. Just get yourself out of the way, and try not to make a nuisance of yourself

Phileas Frog

Dravokivich wrote: »

Cant be by GPS either, as dual carriage ways can have massive differences in opposing directions also.

I'm not sure if you're aware but GPSs are able to tell what direction you're travelling in! :pac::D

Dravokivich

Phileas Frog wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're aware but GPSs are able to tell what direction you're travelling in! :pac::D

Yes. But the can only hold 1 limit per road. Waze, nor Garmin aren't able to account for it.

Phileas Frog

Dravokivich wrote: »

Yes. But the can only hold 1 limit per road. Waze, nor Garmin aren't able to account for it.

My TomTom on the other hand can.