Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

Cookiemunster

Quin_Dub wrote: »

He's a replacement for Stander from the perspective that he's filling that budget/slot in the roster , but in terms of the games that he's likely to be involved in , he is absolutely not going to be replacing Stander.

In terms of "games selected for" he'll be far closer to being a replacement for Billy Holland than Stander - And Wycherley and Ahearn should be the ones playing those games, not an Non IQ journeyman.

Given that Stander was on a central contract , signing Jenkins is probably part of the reason that Sweetnam and JJH were let go, financially speaking.

It's money they need not have spent and if they were spending it , it should have been on a top quality Tight head.

Incorrect. They were let go because they are not internationals and they play in positions where there is a lot of depth with young players progressing from the academy. Cronin is in the same position. These players were always going to be the ones not renewed.

I also seriously doubt that a Non IQ journeyman, as you call him, on a one year contract will be on that much money.

Bridge93

He's a good signing from the limited amounts of rugby I've seen from him. Does it mean a permanent spot in the backrow for Beirne going forward? You'd have to imagine so

Quin_Dub

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Incorrect. They were let go because they are not internationals and they play in positions where there is a lot of depth with young players progressing from the academy. Cronin is in the same position. These players were always going to be the ones not renewed.

Broadly speaking you are correct..It certainly wouldn't have been an isolated either/or decision.

Given the challenges due to Covid , they have had to reduce their budget by X amount.

Clearly they aren't going to simply cut the highest cost player - they are going to look at those coming out of contract and those considered "less important" to the squad - So any player not currently an International or a guaranteed starter whose contract was up for renewal this summer was going to be in that "review" category.

So looking at whatever that "X" amount is , they have obviously reached that number net of signing Jenkins and indeed the guys being upgraded from the Academy.

Logically, therefore his signing increased the likelihood of an existing players contract not being renewed at least to some extent.

I don't have a particular issue with them signing a new player , far from it - I just think he's covering a position and games that I don't think they need cover for.

That money could and should have been spent better elsewhere in terms of building a squad capable of moving forward.

The Inbetween is mine

hahashake wrote: »

Don't suppose if anyone knows whether Marshall is retiring or going to England/France /Japan?

Nothing being said as yet... but he played for.tge Chiefs before he came here, he's 28yo...I'd say he'll be looking to play when he's back in NZ

Quin_Dub

Bridge93 wrote: »

He's a good signing from the limited amounts of rugby I've seen from him. Does it mean a permanent spot in the backrow for Beirne going forward? You'd have to imagine so

I highly doubt it - The number of times that they would both be in the same match day squad will be very limited barring injuries.

Everybody fit and available Kleyn and Snyman are the starting locks , with Beirne either starting at 6 or starting ahead of Kleyn in the row.

Jenkins will not be the reason Beirne plays at 6 if he does.

molloyjh

Clegg wrote: »

I understand that Larkham can't come out and say Munster were crap last weekend, but this kind of blatant lie only serves to piss off the fanbase as well as make him a figure for ridicule. The game was not evenly matched as he tries to put it.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1376870357303496705?s=09

I didn't realise Larkham moonlighted as a comedian....

hahashake

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Nothing being said as yet... but he played for.tge Chiefs before he came here, he's 28yo...I'd say he'll be looking to play when he's back in NZ

That was my assumption but I wouldn't be surprised to see him going to Japan.

Richie_Rich89

I have to laugh at Leinster supporters saying the Jenkins signing is a bad idea when they were largely in favour of signing Tomane when Leinster already had Henshaw, Reid, Conor O'Brien and Tom Daly for 12.

El_Duderino 09

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I have to laugh at Leinster supporters saying the Jenkins signing is a bad idea when they were largely in favour of signing Tomane when Leinster already had Henshaw, Reid, Conor O'Brien and Tom Daly for 12.

Leinster fans would probably tell you Tomane wasn't a very good signing in hindsight.

Richie_Rich89

Munster need better starter plays off set piece, and better ball players through the spine of the team so the attack can be more unpredictable. I'm thinking Coombes at 8 rather than 6 and Daly at 15. Also, while the centres aren't bad passers, they're too similar. There's too much bosh and not enough evasion. I think they should try Earls at 13. I used to groan anytime I saw him at 13 under Kidney for Ireland, but he improved his handling a lot under Smith, and is actually pretty good in that regard now.

sebdavis

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Munster need better starter plays off set piece, and better ball players through the spine of the team so the attack can be more unpredictable. I'm thinking Coombes at 8 rather than 6 and Daly at 15. Also, while the centres aren't bad passers, they're too similar. There's too much bosh and not enough evasion. I think they should try Earls at 13. I used to groan anytime I saw him at 13 under Kidney for Ireland, but he improved his handling a lot under Smith, and is actually pretty good in that regard now.

Moving a 33 year old to centre at this stage? not sure thats a long term plan

theVersatile

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Munster need better starter plays off set piece, and better ball players through the spine of the team so the attack can be more unpredictable. I'm thinking Coombes at 8 rather than 6 and Daly at 15. Also, while the centres aren't bad passers, they're too similar. There's too much bosh and not enough evasion. I think they should try Earls at 13. I used to groan anytime I saw him at 13 under Kidney for Ireland, but he improved his handling a lot under Smith, and is actually pretty good in that regard now.

No chance of Haley moving out of full back - he's a perfectly good ball player. Daly at 13 might be a shout alright if it's felt the centre combination isn't working. He's played there before IIRC.

Either that or we bring Karl Martin into our academy :P

TRC10

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I have to laugh at Leinster supporters saying the Jenkins signing is a bad idea when they were largely in favour of signing Tomane when Leinster already had Henshaw, Reid, Conor O'Brien and Tom Daly for 12.

Apples and oranges.

Tomane had 17 Wallby caps and was replacing another NIE player. He came in as a squad player to cover centre or wing.

There was no question of him ever being ahead of Henshaw. Reid and Daly were both in their mid 20s and were only ever Pro14 players and C.O'Brien was hardly the elite prospect that Ahern is.

And in hindsight, Tomane wasn't a great signing.

yerrahbah

God Damn IRFU :mad: :pac:

https://twitter.com/rugby_ie/status/1376966113934901248

Dave_The_Sheep

What, importing two world cup winners wasn't enough?

awec

I’m impressed with how brazen this would be.

FrannoFan

yerrahbah wrote: »

God Damn IRFU :mad: :pac:

https://twitter.com/rugby_ie/status/1376966113934901248

That signing would have made more sense.
A player who could elevate munster above Leinster.

Instead you got a squad filler who won't make much odds about beating Leinster while potentially blocking young talent.

Clegg

It'll take more than any one player to elevate Munster over Leinster even if if that player is the current WPOTY. A better front row, second row and new attacking system is required.

molloyjh

TRC10 wrote: »

Apples and oranges.

Tomane had 17 Wallby caps and was replacing another NIE player. He came in as a squad player to cover centre or wing.

There was no question of him ever being ahead of Henshaw. Reid and Daly were both in their mid 20s and were only ever Pro14 players and C.O'Brien was hardly the elite prospect that Ahern is.

And in hindsight, Tomane wasn't a great signing.

Also worth noting that Daly was perma-injured. Was Reid not late 20s by then too and nearing 100 caps.

ionadnapokot

yerrahbah wrote: »

God Damn IRFU :mad: :pac:

https://twitter.com/rugby_ie/status/1376966113934901248

I nearly won the euro millions
I was only 4 numbers short

Thomasirl123

After the last few years it's time to give potential a chance. I'd like to see a season of this:


Josh Wycherley
Rhys Marshall
Roman Salanoa

Thomas Ahern
RG Snyman

Tadhg Beirne
John Hodnett
Gavin Coombes

Craig Casey
Jack Crowley/Ben Healy

Damian de Allende
Chris Farrell

Andrew Conway
Shane Daly
Joey Carbery

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Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I have to laugh at Leinster supporters saying the Jenkins signing is a bad idea when they were largely in favour of signing Tomane when Leinster already had Henshaw, Reid, Conor O'Brien and Tom Daly for 12.

If that is the best you can come up with.......

thomond2006

Clegg wrote: »

It'll take more than any one player to elevate Munster over Leinster even if if that player is the current WPOTY. A better front row, second row and new attacking system is required.

Having Snyman and PSDT would be a start.

Like awec, I'm laughing at the cheek of it.

ionadnapokot

awec wrote: »

I’m impressed with how brazen this would be.

Who would have brokered this deal for Munster?
It seems incredibly naive and a waste of time and resources to do so without IRFU approval initially.

Or is all a convenient leak of sorts to deflect from the unwanted attention of the Jenkins signing?
Which I also thought was naive and a waste of resources.

thomond2006

If it's the same role (a one year deal), then I don't see the difference in signing PSDT or Jenkins. Someone else is footing the bill.

TRC10

molloyjh wrote: »

Also worth noting that Daly was perma-injured. Was Reid not late 20s by then too and nearing 100 caps.

Yeah he was 28, and also playing a fair bit at 10 with Carbery gone and Sexton and Byrne in the Ireland squad.

Caranica

Jenkins got a one year contract, one year. I'm missing whatever the big deal is if Munster intend to play him in the back row. Remember we committed to playing Joey at 10 not 15 and I can't remember him ever starting at 15 for Munster. Much ado about nothing.

Will be be gutted to see Marshall go, he was mooted to be capped for Ireland but injury got in the way. Such a supremely decent guy, of all the rugby players I've ever met.

The Inbetween is mine

Seems more and more likely that Zebo will be moving to England, London Irish seem to be making a move.

nerd69

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Seems more and more likely that Zebo will be moving to England, London Irish seem to be making a move.

That makes sense I think they said a season or two ago they wanted to build the irish connection again

Paul Smeenus

nerd69 wrote: »

That makes sense I think they said a season or two ago they wanted to build the irish connection again

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