Have you ever been told to brace or told passengers to brace if you're a pilot?

Crock Rock

Or what's the scariest situation you've ever been in when flying as a pilot or passenger or cabin crew?


Worst I ever experienced is the plane barely touching runway 16 and immediately taking off again. The pilot never mentioned why when we turned around and landed again. It wasn't scary as such though, just confusing.

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Posted this before but can’t find it...

Flight to Barcelona years back. Hot day in Dublin, so you could see a mild vapour in the air as we boarded, from the air conditioning. Don’t think many noticed. As the plane spooled up for take off, more power went to air con and the vapour became more noticeable. One or two people obviously noticed, assumed smoke, and screamed in panic, you could actually hear the panic spread from the back of the cabin forwards.

Plane rotated and an air hostess unbelts and is climbing up the aisle telling people it’s ok, remain calm, etc. Girl sitting in front of me unbelts, whips around and kneels in her seat, hugging the back of her chair and screaming “OH MY GOD” in our direction. It was absolute chaos.

We level off, captain comes on and does absolutely nothing to ellay fears... “we understand there was a problem in the cabin on takeoff, we’ve checked out everything out and there doesn’t appear to be a problem, so we’ve taken the decision to continue” as opposed to “it’s grand, it was just the air con”

Poor girl in front swayed in here chair the whole way there.

Locker10a

The first time I experienced the landing gear being re-lowered after take off due to hot breaks (I didn’t know this at the time) my attention peaked and I felt a little adrenaline.

Other than that, standard birstrikes and one rapid precautionary disembarkation due to smoke in the cabin during boarding.

Hotblack Desiato

FFS that's just condensation, cold air from the packs hitting moist cabin air, seen it loads of times.

I've been on two late go-arounds, one was on a BA 737 in 1995 at LHR, we were across the threshold and a few seconds from touchdown when the taps got turned on full, about 15 or 20 minutes later when it was obvious we were well established in a hold the captain came on the PA and told us we had to go around due to the previous landing aircraft missing its exit.

A slightly more interesting one was in 2005 in Dubrovnik airport, it's in a valley and things get interesting when the wind is blowing strongly from the wrong direction. We were on an A320 and close to touchdown banked this way and that, a wingtip got closer to the ground than I would have liked, the taps turned on and the half of the plane which was going to Medjugorje whipped out their rosary beads in a flash and started praying :pac: for me the scary part was over as soon as I heard and felt go-around power kicking in. Then they started spraying holy water around the place. About 15 minutes later we landed at the second attempt without any drama or divine intervention

Had plenty of interesting airborne situations. As a student pilot flying solo from Weston in early 80s encountered an area of abrupt onset severe turbulence where my aircraft literally fell from 2000 feet through 1800 in a split second and I pushed nose down (correct manoeuvre here in case I’d inadvertently stalled) and applied full power pulling nose gently up again, having Co formed a healthy airspeed. My variometer needle was pointing zero climb in spite of optimum climb attitude/airspeed. After a few more seconds I was out of that tremendous downdraft, which seemed to come in the midst of otherwise benign weather. To this day I wish I could sccesscweathervreports for that day to evaluate exactly what happened. In the instant of the aircraft diving, my head hit the canopy, and my navigational notes and map tossed behind me. Fortunately I had a railway track and Royal Canal to follow back east and make a safe landing. The aircraft I was flying (now the Koliber, made in Poland) was totally benign in its handling and known as the “tin parachute” because of its tendency to fall on its feet during a stall. The incident, I believe to have been a very abrupt downdraft at junction of bogland-green fields in a thermally active but otherwise benign weather day. The air(wo)man always has to be prepared for this kind of thing, and at least, unlike st sea, one does not capsize!

Noxegon

I have. I was a passenger on this flight:

http://avherald.com/h?article=421b2802&opt=0

It wasn't a lot of fun, it must be said.

faceman

Despite all my hours of flying I’ve thankfully never had any emergencies. Plenty of go arounds etc but nothing serious.

Can’t say the same for my friends though!

One friend was on a Ryanair flight that made an emergency landing in Spain.

Another friend was on a flight over the US when one of the engines failed with a loud bang. Brown trousers till they landed.

Another friend flying over the Atlantic hit some unforecast CAT and a strong downward draft. There was some serious injuries onboard. Funnily enough this flight never hit the AV Herald despite the serious injuries. She was connected to the inflight WiFi at the time and messaging me so I literally got inflight commentary as it happened.

IE 222

Coming out of PMI we experienced wake turbulence from a 757 ahead of us. 3 extreme rolls to the right scariest thing I've ever experienced. Had 2 go arounds before as well.

IE 222

IE 222 wrote: »

Coming out of PMI we experienced wake turbulence from a 757 ahead of us. 3 extreme rolls to the right scariest thing I've ever experienced. Had 2 go arounds before as well.

Wake turbulence can be scary-encountered this in my first solo flight, coming in too close behind a small faster aircraft piloted by the then Aer Lingus Chief Pilot Phelim Cronin on his day off!

Sittingpretty

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/aer-lingus-flight-diverted-to-canada-after-safety-alert-1.1039181

Was a passenger in this flight.

Few details omitted from article, fuel dumped at sea, met by fire engines on the tarmac and courtesy of Canadian customs left sitting on the plane for 4 hours before being allowed to disembark.

Also Goose Bay is Canada’s answer to deliverance.

Edited to add: Several gimps on board praying and hugging each other and genuinely breeding chaos. It was VERY frightening though, I did genuinely make peace with the fact I may not get home and have had Xanax flights ever since.

Nijmegen

Sittingpretty wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/aer-lingus-flight-diverted-to-canada-after-safety-alert-1.1039181

Was a passenger in this flight.

Few details omitted from article, fuel dumped at sea, met by fire engines on the tarmac and courtesy of Canadian customs left sitting on the plane for 4 hours before being allowed to disembark.

Also Goose Bay is Canada’s answer to deliverance.

Edited to add: Several gimps on board praying and hugging each other and genuinely breeding chaos. It was VERY frightening though, I did genuinely make peace with the fact I may not get home and have had Xanax flights ever since.

Others can really create the atmosphere. I was on a KLM 747 once that had to do a last minute go around due to crosswind. Same story, some people getting very excited and therefore winding up the others (the commentary is interesting, “my god will they be able to pull up in time!” basically as we were climbing....). Myself and my pal were joking (quietly) about going out in style and assuming the brace position to have a last fond word with our arses. Made it a giggle. I mean, I’m not flying the damn thing, so if we’re gonna go down the runway in a ball of fire I don’t want to spend my last moments unduly stressed out.

IE 222

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wake turbulence can be scary-encountered this in my first solo flight, coming in too close behind a small faster aircraft piloted by the then Aer Lingus Chief Pilot Phelim Cronin on his day off!

I was only passenger but yeah I was in a sweat for the rest of the flight.

LoonyLovegood

I was on the Delta flight that had to return to Dublin in September. Crew were great, but seeing the co-pilot leg it down to the end of the plane and back up really didn't help matters. Landing back in Dublin was alright till someone at a window pointed out the fire brigade at the side of the runway waiting for us.

We got that same plane the next day, and when we landed in JFK (a day and four hours late) one of the ceiling panels fell down, just hanging from the ceiling.

Sittingpretty

Sittingpretty wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/aer-lingus-flight-diverted-to-canada-after-safety-alert-1.1039181

Was a passenger in this flight.

Few details omitted from article, fuel dumped at sea, met by fire engines on the tarmac and courtesy of Canadian customs left sitting on the plane for 4 hours before being allowed to disembark.

Also Goose Bay is Canada’s answer to deliverance.

Edited to add: Several gimps on board praying and hugging each other and genuinely breeding chaos. It was VERY frightening though, I did genuinely make peace with the fact I may not get home and have had Xanax flights ever since.

As regards passengers spreading chaos, when on board an Aer Lingus ATR descending into Cardiff one extremely blustery day, the aircraft did, as warned by the captain, some extreme wind blown manoeuvres so to speak, like turning a full 90 degrees heading and back again in seconds. I had my 88 year old mother beside me, and when tbe young guy behind let out a scream during that sudden yaw, she said “oh shud up, what do you expect with the wind out there?” He was sobered up very quickly! My mother, being a wheelchair user, was last to leave the plane when we landed, so we met the pilots as they were exiting. She congratulated them on their handling in the tricky winds, and the flight attendant said “what was that awful big skid about up there?” The captain said “I had two winds at that altitude converging from two directions, one of them tugging at the big tail fin, but we still maintained a stabilized approach”.

The Rape of Lucretia

An aborted take off once, just as you are expecting the plane to lift.
While startling to passengers who have never heard of them, go-arounds seem frequent enough.
From the experienced among you, how often do you change takeoff from rotating, to screeching to a halt at the end of the runway ?

Tenger

Sittingpretty wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/aer-lingus-flight-diverted-to-canada-after-safety-alert-1.1039181

Was a passenger in this flight.

Few details omitted from article, fuel dumped at sea, met by fire engines on the tarmac and courtesy of Canadian customs left sitting on the plane for 4 hours before being allowed to disembark.

Also Goose Bay is Canada’s answer to deliverance.

Edited to add: Several gimps on board praying and hugging each other and genuinely breeding chaos. It was VERY frightening though, I did genuinely make peace with the fact I may not get home and have had Xanax flights ever since.

I was also on this flight. The wife hasnt quite recovered. Goose Bay is quite an experience. They get polar bears in the Winter, charming!
I missed a family event due to the night spent in Goose Bay. Around 9pm the following night my family starting asking about me, my mother then told them "oh he had to stay in Canada for the night, Im not sure why" The rest of them had seen the new, my mother didnt join the dots!!

Have had 2 touch and go's. (Cool)
Multiple go arounds under 100 ft. Widebody go arounds are interesting. A couple of aborted takeoffs too.
Ive had the aircraft drop so fast that I nearly hit the ceiling. Was 2 rows from the back of the cabin so saw dozens of objects floating up for 1-2 seconds before dropping back.

Have had wake turbulence 3-4 times right after take off. Once experienced it across the Atlantic. 1 pax who was standing at the time fractured her leg.

Have had masks drop on landing countless times on the old Bae146s in the early 00's.

And I think 3 inflight engine shut downs, 2 anyway. And a handful of precautionary situations with hydraulic problems, all worked out fine in the end.


A close mate was on a flight which lost an engine on takeoff, she still has a piece of the shrapnel.
Another guy was on that aircraft in Orlando 2 years ago that the baggage loader went on fire underneath. Sent me a pic, I nearly dropped my beer.

Nijmegen

Tenger wrote: »

I was also on this flight. The wife hasnt quite recovered. Goose Bay is quite an experience. They get polar bears in the Winter, charming!

Have had 2 touch and go's. (Cool)
Multiple go arounds under 100 ft. Widebody go arounds are interesting. A couple of aborted takeoffs too.
Ive had the aircraft drop so fast that I nearly hit the ceiling. Was 2 rows from the back of the cabin so saw dozens of objects floating up for 1-2 seconds before dropping back.

Have had wake turbulence 3-4 times right after take off. Once experienced it across the Atlantic. 1 pax who was standing at the time fractured her leg.

Have had masks drop on landing countless times on the old Bae146s in the early 00's.

And I think 3 inflight engine shut downs, 2 anyway. And a handful of precautionary situations with hydraulic problems, all worked out fine in the end.


A close mate was on a flight which lost an engine on takeoff, she still has a piece of the shrapnel.
Another guy was on that aircraft in Orlando 2 years ago that the baggage loader went on fire underneath. Sent me a pic, I nearly dropped my beer.

Do us all a favour and tell us when and where you’re flying, so we can be sure to book alternatives!

Damien360

Just to add to a comment on panic above. Never had a situation like "brace" as a passenger but have been on a flight to Switzerland and one family before take off were sweating, praying loudly (rosary beads out) and their panic spread very quickly through to quite a few other passengers around me. The dad was worst of all of them and would meet everyones look with a stare back.

Lapmo_Dancer

Sittingpretty wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/aer-lingus-flight-diverted-to-canada-after-safety-alert-1.1039181

Was a passenger in this flight.

Few details omitted from article, fuel dumped at sea, met by fire engines on the tarmac and courtesy of Canadian customs left sitting on the plane for 4 hours before being allowed to disembark.

Also Goose Bay is Canada’s answer to deliverance.

Edited to add: Several gimps on board praying and hugging each other and genuinely breeding chaos. It was VERY frightening though, I did genuinely make peace with the fact I may not get home and have had Xanax flights ever since.

Current Aer Lingus A-330s don’t have the fuel dump function. Was it a function on older ones?

honeybear

Polish lady beside me started praying aloud due to a very bad landing-she has ruined my flying experience ever since...I used to LOVE flying!

Tenger

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Current Aer Lingus A-330s don’t have the fuel dump function. Was it a function on older ones?

Im not sure but one thing I do recall is which aircraft it was. MSN 70 EI-CRK

smurfjed

Reading the above, I lead a very sheltered life, guess that I should get out and fly more

goingnowhere

Its an option but rarely fitted on A330-200 let alone the A330-300. A330 is certified to land at MTOW if needed, but its much easier to circle a bit to burn off to MLW which saves a gear check

EI-CRK doesn't appear to have fuel dump fitted no pipe sticking out of the flap fairing

Sittingpretty

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Current Aer Lingus A-330s don’t have the fuel dump function. Was it a function on older ones?

It was 13 years ago. I’m not sure, that’s what we were told anyways at the time, could have been a rumour that circulated during the building panic though, may not have been absolute fact

Nijmegen

Sittingpretty wrote: »

It was 13 years ago. I’m not sure, that’s what we were told anyways at the time, could have been a rumour that circulated during the building panic though, may not have been absolute fact

Might just have been burning rather than dumping fuel.

Sittingpretty

Nijmegen wrote: »

Might just have been burning rather than dumping fuel.

Maybe so, I think when the decision was made to divert to goose bay we were 45 mins flight from there so maybe that might make sense. I’m pretty sure I remember that being said though, that it was done as a precaution but I’m totally open to correction

B-D-P--

Not told to brace but was once delayed from taking off, then we pulled back a little from the airport, Pilot told us that they were just doing some precautionary tests.

Started reving (I think its still revving with airplanes) the engines, that wasn't the scary bit, the scary bit was there was 3 fire-brigades ready to open their hoses at the engines if needs be.

It didnt bother me much, but there was a person who near died from fear and demanded they got off the plane.

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Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

FFS that's just condensation, cold air from the packs hitting moist cabin air, seen it loads of times.

Yup, my wife and I sat there fairly perplexed at the panic, tried to tell those around us it was all fine. It was only afterwards that I thought – what if something serious had actually happened that I couldnt see, and there we were sitting smugly thinking these people are going crazy over condensation. Ah, sure at least I would have died smug, I guess. :rolleyes:

I was on an Emirates flight from Dubai into Seychelles and pilot aborted landing at 400 feet decision height as tbe visibility was insufficient to land. He said he was circling for up to 20 minutes to wait for improved visibility and make another go at landing, but that failing that company policy was to divert to Antananarivo in Madagascar where we would be put up for the night. As Madagascar was firmly on my bucket list I was hoping for a free night there, but alas we were able to land on second attempt in Seychelles, where the rain hung around for the week.

Rawr

I've had a few night-time go-arounds, which were more of an interesting delay to me at the time than something scary.

I did encounter wake tubulance once on a Ryanair enroute over the Irish Sea, which was a bit of fright. It felt like the whole plane just suddently dipped down several meters with an almight "BANG!" which echoed thoughout the craft.

Thankfully the flight crew came on and announced that everything was fine and that was a wake tublence from another plane that had gone ahead.

Tenger

Nijmegen wrote: »

Do us all a favour and tell us when and where you’re flying, so we can be sure to book alternatives!

Reading over my post it does look very eventful. Go arounds are not uncommon at all and not a big event. The inflight shutdowns were very calm too. Flight crew had everything clear communicated and the puntets hardly noticed.
I was only ever worried on 2 occasions. Not bad for 14 years of 8-14 flights per week. Glad Im not doing it anymore though.

Rawr

Rawr wrote: »

I've had a few night-time go-arounds, which were more of an interesting delay to me at the time than something scary.

I did encounter wake tubulance once on a Ryanair enroute over the Irish Sea, which was a bit of fright. It felt like the whole plane just suddently dipped down several meters with an almight "BANG!" which echoed thoughout the craft.

Thankfully the flight crew came on and announced that everything was fine and that was a wake tublence from another plane that had gone ahead.

Yes the wake turbulence causes that sudden bang, like something hit the aircraft. Had it on last flight, out of Heathrow. The A380 has caused some very disturbing wake turbulence incidents and is not liked for that in the aviation world. A small jet nearly came to grief over it in vicinity of Arabian Gulf, was sent out of control dropping a few hundred metres. The aircraft is going out of production shortly for economic reasons. It requires extra handling facilities, only really makes sense on a few routes, and is a wake turbulence scourge in the skies.

goingnowhere

337 flights thus far

1 go around at Madrid well before threshold, Spanish ATC being Spanish ATC

1 go around at Dublin literally an inch more and we would have touched the runway, wind shifted and went out of limits (the IAA seem to like to use 28 even with a tailwind)

1 autoland into Dublin

Only ever had a single borderline scary landing, A330 into Dublin and it was bouncing around all the way down, even the cabin crew had been warned to strap in early. No other aircraft before or after us landed for 20+ minutes.

1 Is there a doctor onboard, while over Iceland


600,000+ km later, always arrived in the intended destination safely

Dardania

goingnowhere wrote: »

337 flights thus far

1 go around at Madrid well before threshold, Spanish ATC being Spanish ATC

1 go around at Dublin literally an inch more and we would have touched the runway, wind shifted and went out of limits (the IAA seem to like to use 28 even with a tailwind)

1 autoland into Dublin

Only ever had a single borderline scary landing, A330 into Dublin and it was bouncing around all the way down, even the cabin crew had been warned to strap in early. No other aircraft before or after us landed for 20+ minutes.

1 Is there a doctor onboard, while over Iceland


600,000+ km later, always arrived in the intended destination safely

Despite your username!

jimmy180sx

Ryanair flight was hit by lightning coming into land at Stansted last year. Cabin lights were dimmed so the whole plane lit up. The noise sounded like a bomb went off in the hold. Stewardess from back went running up the aisle. Panic on everyones face as we didnt know what it was. Pilot came on after landing and said congrats all youve been hit by lightning and survived. 1st and only time i grabbed the arm rests.

Mrcaramelchoc

goingnowhere wrote: »

337 flights thus far

1 go around at Madrid well before threshold, Spanish ATC being Spanish ATC

1 go around at Dublin literally an inch more and we would have touched the runway, wind shifted and went out of limits (the IAA seem to like to use 28 even with a tailwind)

1 autoland into Dublin

Only ever had a single borderline scary landing, A330 into Dublin and it was bouncing around all the way down, even the cabin crew had been warned to strap in early. No other aircraft before or after us landed for 20+ minutes.

1 Is there a doctor onboard, while over Iceland


600,000+ km later, always arrived in the intended destination safely

for those of us who dont know( namely me)what is the significance of this?


ive been on a few flights where the trolley service has been stopped but never told to brace thank christ.
but i do hate and always have the lack of info provided by pilots when something goes wrong.how hard is it to get on the pa and say its the air con or we have a little turbulence up ahead etc it calms the nervous fliers no end.i love hearing the pilots talk.

EdgeCase

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Posted this before but can’t find it...

Flight to Barcelona years back. Hot day in Dublin, so you could see a mild vapour in the air as we boarded, from the air conditioning. Don’t think many noticed. As the plane spooled up for take off, more power went to air con and the vapour became more noticeable. One or two people obviously noticed, assumed smoke, and screamed in panic, you could actually hear the panic spread from the back of the cabin forwards.

Plane rotated and an air hostess unbelts and is climbing up the aisle telling people it’s ok, remain calm, etc. Girl sitting in front of me unbelts, whips around and kneels in her seat, hugging the back of her chair and screaming “OH MY GOD” in our direction. It was absolute chaos.

We level off, captain comes on and does absolutely nothing to ellay fears... “we understand there was a problem in the cabin on takeoff, we’ve checked out everything out and there doesn’t appear to be a problem, so we’ve taken the decision to continue” as opposed to “it’s grand, it was just the air con”

Poor girl in front swayed in here chair the whole way there.

That's fairly common though. I think the cabin crew need to absolutely point out that the vapour in the cabin is simply a mist caused by the high humidity today and the cold air from the air conditioning and it will disappear after a few minutes.

Negative_G

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A small jet nearly came to grief over it in vicinity of Arabian Gulf, was sent out of control dropping a few hundred metres.

A little more than that! Almost 9,000 feet and the aircraft was written off and people in the cabin suffered serious injuries.

http://m.aviationweek.com/business-aviation/german-challenger-totaled-after-a380-wake-turbulence

Dr.Sanchez

I used to teach helicopter underwater escape training to people working on oil rigs. After four years of it, I got tired of telling people to BRACE, BRACE, BRACE before dropping them (in their fake helicopter) into a pool and spinning it upsidedown.

AlphabetCards

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

I used to teach helicopter underwater escape training to people working on oil rigs. After four years of it, I got tired of telling people to BRACE, BRACE, BRACE before dropping them (in their fake helicopter) into a pool and spinning it upsidedown.

I really enjoyed that, did it with the Royal Navy in Yeovil (I think). Was sobering when during the lights-out run, I swam downwards in the pool and a lad in scuba had to guide me upwards.

Dr.Sanchez

AlphabetCards wrote: »

I really enjoyed that, did it with the Royal Navy in Yeovil (I think). Was sobering when during the lights-out run, I swam downwards in the pool and a lad in scuba had to guide me upwards.

That's a common occurrence believe it or not. I will always remember one guy who swam all the down to the bottom and freak out when touched the floor! Haha

Nijmegen

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

That's a common occurrence believe it or not. I will always remember one guy who swam all the down to the bottom and freak out when touched the floor! Haha

Better to have the freak out in a pool with a diver, I suppose. Scary!

goingnowhere

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

for those of us who dont know( namely me)what is the significance of this?.

Computer landed, braked and steered the aircraft down the runway entirely itself. Autopilot was only disengaged when we got to a walking pace.

Normally used in zero visibility conditions but typically its done more often as a training/currency requirement.

And the Airbus autoland/fly by wire does land nicely

smurfjed

^^^^^
Isn't it designed to do exactly that?

Tenger

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

I used to teach helicopter underwater escape training to people working on oil rigs...........

Im getting shivers just reading that.

Dr.Sanchez

Tenger wrote: »

Im getting shivers just reading that.

It's not that bad really. Heres a video of me in action!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

....in 2005 in Dubrovnik airport, it's in a valley and things get interesting when the wind is blowing strongly from the wrong direction. We were on an A320 and close to touchdown banked this way and that, a wingtip got closer to the ground than I would have liked

I used to love flying until an EI flight into Dubrovnik which got a little hairy as we came in to land, it was a sunny day but the plane hit fairly rough turbulence as we came in over the coast. The fact that we weren't expecting it was what freaked me out, I had been in worse turbulence previously but accepted it as a part of flying. Anyway, the plane was all over the place and was forced to abort the landing and do a go-around to come in to land from the opposite direction.

I laughed afterwards at the fact that when the Captain came on the intercom to explain what was happening after they commenced the go-around, one of the elderly lads behind me laughed to the other "Ha, women drivers!". Not a bother on either of them.

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goingnowhere wrote:

Computer landed, braked and steered the aircraft down the runway entirely itself. Autopilot was only disengaged when we got to a walking pace.

Not necessarily.

On my type (737), the autopilot is disengaged upon nosewheel touchdown.
Steering is by the pilot, autobrake is in use until the pilot wishes to override. Computer doesn't know where to vacate or taxi to. : D

goingnowhere

A320 will keep the aircraft on the centre line with the rudder just like a human would under Autoland

737 is the odd one out of current Boeings roll out is an optional extra

Dr.Sanchez

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

I used to teach helicopter underwater escape training to people working on oil rigs. After four years of it, I got tired of telling people to BRACE, BRACE, BRACE before dropping them (in their fake helicopter) into a pool and spinning it upsidedown.

That training for oil rig workers has saved lives. Saw a reconstruction documentary of a rotor failure where an autorotation to a rough cold North Sea was required, and read the report. Very sobering stuff indeed. The design of the blades was subsequently altered so they could cope better with lightning strikes-the type of thing one would have imagined would have been tested for before. I took two helicopter lessons, was told I had an excellent feel for the altering forces from the tail rotor; I think the amount of reading about the subject of the variabilities of handling a chopper helped me prepare mentsllh no end and get much better value out of the two lessons I could afford to take. The autorotation demonstration and hands on practice on the second lesson was very sobering indeed, a split second to push the collective to the floor and get a constant 60 knots forward whilst steering gently to a chosen spot, followed by a neat little pull back cyclic flare and up collective very close to ground, whilst keeping straight as craft skids safely to a halt along the ground, no that weactually touched down of course! I asked to be pushed through all helicopter manoeuvres as either hands on or follow through as I had read up on the stuff. I got to land with myself using cyclic snd rudder pedals with instructor downing the collective when I had safely manoeuvred craft to landing spot. I think it was partly beginners luck, and partly my studies beforehand and imagining myself doing the thing, that enabled me to guide the little Robinson 22 to the exactly spot required, with great praise from the instructor who said he was never as good as that until very well on in his lessons. Most people don’t realise that much of the time the pressure required in helicopter flight is that which could be exerted by your little finger, although constant little adjustments are required to be just ahead of the craft. And watching g tbe carburettor ice situation needs constant vigilance, my instructor laughing as I reminded him to put on the heat! As one pilot, also a musician, once described, it is extremely like like the skill required to play a violin.

Pronto63

Back in the day when I was young, dumb and full of ...... I did a fair bit of skydiving. Was in a Cessna 182 with pilot and 3 buddies. Just so you guys know, jump-ships normally only have any seats or restraints for the pilot, not the skydivers.

Anyway we set off down the runway and bounced our way into the air. We were only just airborne, I'd guess under 100 feet, when the pilot looked back at us and shouted "crash positions". We sprawled our arms around and started moaning as if we'd just crashed - funny eh!.

I then noticed that the flaps were back down - normally the pilots first action after takeoff would be to retract the flaps. Things went very quiet in the aircraft.

We did a quick circuit around the field, no more than a minute or two, but I can recall formulating a plan of action for almost every eventually. How to get out if X happened, what to do if Y happened. The circuit seemed to take a lifetime.

The end result was a text book landing and a somewhat shook pilot.
The problem? I believe an oil seal gave way leading to a total and instantaneous loss of oil pressure.

A lot of beer consumed that night!!