Justin's finally up for sale.

Phoenix3

After all the gossip that Justin's was bought by Aldi some time ago.
It is now up for sale through Coonan Property Ltd.
Asking price --- € 3,000,000

annfield1978

Where is justins

ongarite

Blanch main Street across from the Youth Reach, Foroige building

miamee

Aw no, really? I thought the Aldi deal sounded great for him/them, a shame it wasn't true. I'd say they don't get half as much custom as they used to there. The last two times I was in, they didn't have the one item I had come specifically for so I haven't been back since.

wildlifeboy

no doubt theyll build some horrible looking yoke

blanch152

wildlifeboy wrote: »

no doubt theyll build some horrible looking yoke

That would still be better than the horrible state the site is in now.

How they haven't been shut on hygeine or health and safety grounds is beyond me.

beauf

blanch152 wrote: »

That would still be better than the horrible state the site is in now.

How they haven't been shut on hygeine or health and safety grounds is beyond me.

Out of curiosity what hygiene ,health or safety issues are there with the site?

blanch152

beauf wrote: »

Out of curiosity what hygiene ,health or safety issues are there with the site?

Go down and have a look.

beauf

Looks like it always had last time I past. In fact it hasn't changed than much since you used to get coal and glass there. It was always basically an unsurfaced yard.

1800_Ladladlad

Link , for anyone looking for more details : https://coonan.com/main-street-blanchardstown-dublin-15-approx-2-25-acres

The place literally didn't adapt with the times. It looks like it stayed in the mid 90's. The only thing that thankfully changed was the sell by dates. The aulfella on the fork lift was a weapon.

I didnt realise how big the site was until I saw it on the auction site. I hope its used to its potential and not wasted. I think it would be a bit awkward for anything like a supermarket and its right at the bottom of the hill passing the garda station and 200 yars or less from a set of lights a the busy part of the village

beauf

90s? What do you think the 90s were like.

Other than the shop I don't think anything ever changed on the site. Probably not changed since the 50s. I was always curious why the house doesn't face the road.

1800_Ladladlad

.... eh that its old and dated, clearly showing signs of it being neglected in comparison to everything else around it. it looks like it stayed in the arse end of the 20th century and never moved with the times.

I didnt know that there was that much land on the one property, now it can used to its potential and put to good use. Its been a eyesore on the village for far too long. It will be sad to see go but it has to be done

beauf

Coal yards don't tend to be pretty.

miamee

Even in the 90s it was a bit run down, I remember there was a hackney office upstairs in the old house and we'd get a cab from there home after a few drinks in the Greyhound Probably mid-late 90s then.

1800_Ladladlad

So the site is sold to a buyer who has full intentions of leveling the site entirely. I joked about it being an Aldi or Lidl and they said its neither as the same did not come up at all. I didn't get any more info but they said they'll be still there on-site for at least another 18 months or so

jam_mac_jam

miamee wrote: »

Even in the 90s it was a bit run down, I remember there was a hackney office upstairs in the old house and we'd get a cab from there home after a few drinks in the Greyhound Probably mid-late 90s then.

My sister used to work in that office. Complete kip.

Namer

Planning application for 139 bed nursing home on Justins site for any one interested http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayURL?theApnID=FW20A/0068

ongarboy

4 to 5 storeys I see. The NIMBYs will be complaining about a "skyscraper" in their midst!

Pat Dunne

Wow, that one is gonna be completely out of proportion with the whole of Blanchardstown Main St.
Interesting times ahead.

beauf

ongarboy wrote: »

4 to 5 storeys I see. The NIMBYs will be complaining about a "skyscraper" in their midst!

It amazes me how many nursing homes don't have a decent garden or grounds for the residents. No where for grand kids to play or have tea or coffee in comfort with your family. Even a small shop.

I've always thought Blanch village is very neglected. I thought there was a plan a few years ago, but seems to have gone no where. No Central focus, no civic area nothing. I don't really think a sterile shopping center really is an alternative. Though I know from previous threads on this, People think it's amazing.

StoptheClocks

ongarboy wrote: »

4 to 5 storeys I see. The NIMBYs will be complaining about a "skyscraper" in their midst!

It has a Basement with ground floor and 3 floors above.

ongarboy

beauf wrote: »

It amazes me how many nursing homes don't have a decent garden or grounds for the residents. No where for grand kids to play or have tea or coffee in comfort with your family. Even a small shop.

I've always thought Blanch village is very neglected. I thought there was a plan a few years ago, but seems to have gone no where. No Central focus, no civic area nothing. I don't really think a sterile shopping center really is an alternative. Though I know from previous threads on this, People think it's amazing.

I think in a way, this is because the shopping centre is too segregated from the village and pedestrians have to cross a major traffic intersection to get to it. Swords for comparison integrates the Pavilion SC far better with the main street with Penneys fronting onto the street and you've got the castle as a focal point amenity with better destination style bars and restaurants also. I've often gone for nights out in Swords even though it's miles away whereas Blanch wouldn't be on my radar apart from the odd meal in Brown's. The main street of Swords is always full of pedestrians too whereas Blanch village doesn't have the same footfall.

py2006

Pop in a take a few photos, its like a time warp in there and will be missed.

A Knight of Ireland

Ridiculous to have this in the middle of the villiage

Caranica

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

Ridiculous to have this in the middle of the villiage

Why? Close to the hospital, on multiple public transport routes for visitors. Perfect place for it. Also close to the Garda station and refuge which are already multi storey buildings.

raheny red

Making great use of Justin's the past few weeks. Any idea of a closing date?

StoptheClocks

raheny red wrote: »

Making great use of Justin's the past few weeks. Any idea of a closing date?

Someone said that he was going to be opening for 18 months from when he sold up.

beauf

Caranica wrote: »

Why? Close to the hospital, on multiple public transport routes for visitors. Perfect place for it. Also close to the Garda station and refuge which are already multi storey buildings.

Not entirely sure you'd need a Garda station and refuge nearby to a nursing home.

But it would be good, that has great transport links and cafes and shops nearby.

Its just a pity its beside a motorway in terms of having nice grounds to enjoy.

Pat Dunne

Caranica wrote: »

Why? Close to the hospital, on multiple public transport routes for visitors. Perfect place for it. Also close to the Garda station and refuge which are already multi storey buildings.

I agree in regard to its place in the Village. However the architecture of the development should be sympathetic to it surroundings and not dominate them.

Looking through the illustrations within the planning documents it would appear that the build is going to be another example of the characterless, sterile architecture that Fingal Co. Co. Planning Dept, favour. Sadly it’s another opportunity lose to the boring play safe approach favoured by the Officials of said institution.
http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00660012.pdf

beauf

Blanch village is an unplanned chaotic mess of completely different buildings. None of it, is homogeneous.

You can't keep the bungalows. But it is an opportunity to establish some sort of identity on the village. But I'm pretty sure the chaos will continue.

Pat Dunne

beauf wrote: »

Blanch village is an unplanned chaotic mess of completely different buildings. None of it, is homogeneous.

You can't keep the bungalows. But it is an opportunity to establish some sort of identity on the village. But I'm pretty sure the chaos will continue.

I agree, however it simply can’t be more of this bland architecture.
Have the architects taken any environmental approach to this building?
Is it carbon neutral?
Does it have rain water harvesting facilities?
Does it have on site secure Bicycle parking?
Are there EV charging points?

Caranica

beauf wrote: »

Not entirely sure you'd need a Garda station and refuge nearby to a nursing home.

My point in relation to those was building height

beauf

Caranica wrote: »

My point in relation to those was building height

I know I was just pulling your chain. I don't really get the issues with height unless you are overlooked or in the shadow of it. Which can be an issue if they build 4 and 5 storey apartments beside your house. Which the planners allow frequently.

But a taller building with a sympathetic even homage treatment of the ground and first floor facia can work well. Not that there is any coherent design cultural or otherwise in Blanch Village to blend in with.

Hurrache

There's no need to go high rise in suburbs, the place for that is in the cities

liamog

Pat Dunne wrote: »

I agree, however it simply can’t be more of this bland architecture.
Have the architects taken any environmental approach to this building?
Is it carbon neutral?
Does it have rain water harvesting facilities?
Does it have on site secure Bicycle parking?
Are there EV charging points?

Did you read the linked document in your own post, there is a whole section on sustainable measures on page 18.

Phil.x

€20 to submit an observation that won't see the light of day. Nothing but a Money racket by dodgy fingal and its crony councillors.

Caranica

Hurrache wrote: »

There's no need to go high rise in suburbs, the place for that is in the cities

That's not high rise in planning terms.

Phil.x wrote: »

€20 to submit an observation that won't see the light of day. Nothing but a Money racket by dodgy fingal and its crony councillors.

All observations are published on the Council website and on the planning file.

liamog

It scares me when people think that 4 stories (3 with a setback) is high rise development.

Pat Dunne

Phil.x wrote: »

€20 to submit an observation that won't see the light of day. Nothing but a Money racket by dodgy fingal and its crony councillors.

Your ire should be directed at the unaccountable Public Servants who are the Planning Officials in Fingal County Council. Publicly elected Councillors were removed from the Planning process over 20 years ago

jack presley

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Your ire should be directed at the unaccountable Public Servants who are the Planning Officials in Fingal County Council. Publicly elected Councillors were removed from the Planning process over 20 years ago

Qualified and experienced planners you mean?

Thank God councillors have no input in planning decisions.

Larbre34

They are accountable, to An Bord Pleanála, the Courts and if it ever came to it, SIPO.

Now I happen to be a chartered planner, albeit in private practice, but I did once work as a graduate and junior level planner in Local Authorities and I deal with them on commercial applications day in and out. Ask me anything.

Pat Dunne

jack presley wrote: »

Qualified and experienced planners you mean?

Thank God councillors have no input in planning decisions.

Qualifications and Experience has failed to delivered any worth while Architecture to Dublin 15 in the last 30 years it’s simply a replication of dull and bland buildings.
Yes, I agree having Politicians out of the planning process is good. However it is very well know and documented fact that many a former Planning Official and or Senior Council Manager whom upon retirement, lands a nice cushy job with a Developer or becomes their go to Planning Consultant.

liamog

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Qualifications and Experience has failed to delivered any worth while Architecture to Dublin 15 in the last 30 years it’s simply a replication of dull and bland buildings.
Yes, I agree having Politicians out of the planning process is good. However it is very well know and documented fact that many a former Planning Official and or Senior Council Manager whom upon retirement, lands a nice cushy job with a Developer or becomes their go to Planning Consultant.

That can be said of most public servants, those years of knowledge may as well be used for something.

I don't blame the council for the lack interesting architecture, we're a dormitory suburb of a small European capital. What are you expecting other than functional buildings.

Pat Dunne

liamog wrote: »

I don't blame the council for the lack interesting architecture, we're a dormitory suburb of a small European capital. What are you expecting other than functional buildings.

Your lack of ambition for your local area and environment is very disappointing.

jack presley

Pat Dunne wrote: »

However it is very well know and documented fact that many a former Planning Official and or Senior Council Manager whom upon retirement, lands a nice cushy job with a Developer or becomes their go to Planning Consultant.

I don't get the point you're trying to make here. That's the same for tonnes of professions. People do the required years or reach retirement age where they have to leave or whatever and move on to a job in private practice. There's nothing wrong with that.

Hurrache

Caranica wrote: »

That's not high rise in planning terms.

I understand that, I was talking in general terms.

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Your ire should be directed at the unaccountable Public Servants who are the Planning Officials in Fingal County Council. Publicly elected Councillors were removed from the Planning process over 20 years ago

With the fast tracking planing process, which could be disastrous, the local councils are bypassed and it goes straight to An Bord Pleanna.

hardybuck

I think it's fantastic that local councils, and Councillors in particular, are bypassed for these important strategic developments.

I notice that people have complained about Blanch 'village' and it's design - well you have local planners and Councillors to thank for that.

While ABP aren't perfect, at least they might introduce some consistency and expertise to the process.

A classic case in point was a group of Cork County Councillors voting this year to alter the County Development Plan to facilitate the development of a Kildare Village type retail development.

The newly appointed Planning Regulator had to step in and ask the relevant Minister to intervene as the Council didn't give sufficient consideration to spacial strategies, roads and transport strategies, etc.

Hurrache

Nothing good comes out of fast tracking planing.

hardybuck

Hurrache wrote: »

Nothing good comes out of fast tracking planing.

Could you expand upon that assertion?

liamog

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Your lack of ambition for your local area and environment is very disappointing.

I'm not a property developer so wasn't really going to make a difference anyway. I tend to save my ambition for people developing to the best of their abilty and having the local amenieties to do so, instead of having not very many amenities but the ones they do look nice.
In community nursing homes like this are a great way to ensure older members of the community stay connected to their local support groups, I don't need them to look amazing at the same time.

Hurrache

hardybuck wrote: »

Could you expand upon that assertion?

We've a decade or two of it, and inappropriate planing, stemming from the 80s into the 90s, problems of which we're still dealing with now.