Deal or No Deal is the dumbest tv show in history.

paleoperson

It seems to be for people who don't understand the most absolute basic law of probabilities - the law of averages, aka common sense.

If one box contains $100 and one contains $0, what deal should you accept? Obviously you should accept only something >$50 because you were winning in the long run that way.

"ah now hold on a second OP, $16k can be worth a lot more to some people than a half chance at $32k. $16k will dig them out of debt while they don't need $32k"

The only real problem with debt the interest it accrues. Ideally, this should go both ways. So for whatever debt the $16k uses up, the $32k should make double of, hence the law of probabilities still applies exactly.

If we do however assume that people in debt pay more on their interest than people gain on their savings, all you have to do is factor this into their probability equation. So you could calculate after the next 10 years of interest both in debt vs outside it. Any other thing could be added if you like... simply calculated odds, not "but do you feel daring today Geraldine?".

jamesbere

How they made a game show out of randomly picking boxes I'll never know.

alchemist33

There was a lot of nonsense in the show (chanting Blue Blue Blue like it would change the card in the box) but it could make for gripping TV at times. And if somebody didnt need the money in the offer, why not take a gamble for fun?

SeaFields

Whatever about picking boxes, all that hugging amongst contestants is just weird.

Amirani

paleoperson wrote: »

It seems to be for people who don't understand the most absolute basic law of probabilities - the law of averages, aka common sense.

Using just these basic laws seems to be your problem here. More advanced probabilistic theory would give you answers for not purely settling for the option that has the highest expected value.

I'd recommend reading on Bernoulli's Expected Utility Hypothesis for a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_utility_hypothesis

EDIT: That said, the show is indeed ****e.

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s an easy enough game to win. Go in open some boxes, take offer. Go home.

RiderOnTheStorm

Sure, we had a lovely day, and I came here with nothing ...... Move that bus!

(am I doing it right?)

Slattsy

Tipping Point says hello.

Roger_007

Slattsy wrote: »

Tipping Point says hello.

Winning Streak says Allo Allo!

Uncharted

Supermarket sweep.









That is all.

Alf Veedersane

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

(am I doing it right?)

Pass.

Africa 10.

padd b1975

jamesbere wrote: »

How they made a game show out of randomly picking boxes I'll never know.

Noel Edmunds.

That's how.

gmisk

Welcome to the dream factory!






Piss off Noel and go and dye your beard properly.

lertsnim

Noel Edmunds and his dream factory, where dreams come true.

Pherekydes

Extraordinary claim there, op.

With the likes of Gogglebox, Big Brother to choose from.

SBPhoto

I think its brilliant

handlemaster

Its a game show relax

Birneybau

SeaFields wrote: »

Whatever about picking boxes, all that hugging amongst contestants is just weird.

I seem to remember that they're put up as a group in a hotel for the week. Probably loads of shagging going on, tripping on mushrooms supplied by Edmonds

orourkeda1977

jamesbere wrote: »

How they made a game show out of randomly picking boxes I'll never know.

Therein lies the genius. (or lack thereof)

It's simply spotting the lack of sophistication in the audience and participants.

Its hardly university challenge.

orourkeda1977

Birneybau wrote: »

I seem to remember that they're put up as a group in a hotel for the week. Probably loads of shagging going on, tripping on mushrooms supplied by Edmonds

They should incorporate that.

Mush some bird into the desk and lash her out of it

jamesbere

Slattsy wrote: »

Tipping Point says hello.

At least your being challenged to some general knowledge in that anyway. Now there's an element of luck involved aswell but it's not too bad a game show

jamesbere

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Therein lies the genius. (or lack thereof)

It's simply spotting the lack of sophistication in the audience and participants.

Its hardly university challenge.

Universally challenged

893bet

I watched it for years with my Mam before she passed away.






















Thankfully my suffer is over.

paleoperson

Pherekydes wrote: »

Extraordinary claim there, op.

With the likes of Gogglebox, Big Brother to choose from.

I don't see anything that bad with Gogglebox. Definitely not my cup of tea but seeing others reacting to tv shows and give comments on it is hardly the worst.

jamesbere wrote: »

At least your being challenged to some general knowledge in that anyway. Now there's an element of luck involved aswell but it's not too bad a game show

Agree, Tipping Point is a strange one to pick. You need general knowledge for it, and you also are using your judgement to try to work out which pieces are going to fall. Despite the tipping point part being a snorefest to watch I kind of admire how they tried to bring an element of physical judgement element to it almost like a sport - even if it ends up as being practically random at least they tried something, there's a theory of skill in there, and also the general knowledge questions.

Capt'n Midnight

Deal or No Deal is the dumbest tv show in history.

They keep having votes but there's just 44 days to go before they leave the EU.

gmisk

Birneybau wrote: »

I seem to remember that they're put up as a group in a hotel for the week. Probably loads of shagging going on, tripping on mushrooms supplied by Edmonds

Well there was a rumour on popbitch that Edmonds was involved in some of the shagging...it involved giving ladies a note that said...sleep with me? Deal or no deal?


I wish I was joking.

valoren

It's the kind of show that once you've watched it once you really don't need to watch the other 3,002 episodes.
That's 180,120 hours, 7,505 days of time you could free up to do anything else but watch a repetitive show like that.
Therefore, anyone choosing to watch the show is wasting their time as they learn nothing ergo it is indeed the dumbest tv show in history.

Mr. Incognito

The all start with zero.

They receive an offer of 10K or so and they turn it down on the "chance" to win X

Its stupid.

If someone walked up to you and tried to sell you a lotto ticket for 10K for the "chance" to win X you would think they were mental.

Take the first offer and go home.

Deebles McBeebles

So many reality shows deserve this title. Deal or No Deal wasn't exactly The Wire but its no Love Island or Big Brother either.

How about Celebs on The Farm?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebs_on_the_Farm

Laois_Man

valoren wrote: »

It's the kind of show that once you've watched it once you really don't need to watch the other 3,002 episodes.
That's 180,120 hours, 7,505 days of time you could free up to do anything else but watch a repetitive show like that.
Therefore, anyone choosing to watch the show is wasting their time as they learn nothing ergo it is indeed the dumbest tv show in history.

Funny that, I always say a similar thing about Soap Operas. If you watch one of them for a couple of years, you'll have seen all the same stories that all of them do. There's a hell of a lot more hours in those!

Haven't watched Deal or No Deal in years - I didn't even know it was still on. Edmonds' waffle was annoying alright - but even more annoying was his pretense that he was on the side of the contestant, when behind it all, what he was actually doing was subtly goading them into losing money!

razorblunt

I've said this multiple times but there's a special place in Heaven for that fella that would have an edited version of the show just aired up on Youtube withing 30 mins of the credits rolling. He'd have it edited down to the box being opened and the phone calls.

GMSA

Never realised the UK version ran for 11 yrs. Channel 4 axed it in 2016 thank Christ. Can't stand Noel Edmonds so have never watched a full episode. Remember Countdown was on before it everyday. Now that was worth watching. Required a level of intelligence, the tv audience could take part and there was some female distraction as well:)

kneemos

893bet wrote: »

I watched it for years with my Mam before she passed away.





















Thankfully my suffer is over.

Did you pick the box?

ohnonotgmail

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

So many reality shows deserve this title. Deal or No Deal wasn't exactly The Wire but its no Love Island or Big Brother either.

How about Celebs on The Farm?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebs_on_the_Farm

Is that the one with David Beckhams bit on the side jacking off a pig?

jimmymack

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2006/oct/21/broadcasting.arts

Great article that pops up whenever Deal or No Deal gets mentioned, it seems like an utterly bizarre set-up

Birneybau

I'm surprised Edmonds ever got work after this:

Deebles McBeebles

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is that the one with David Beckhams bit on the side jacking off a pig?

Hahaha I have no idea but I really hope so. I haven't seen any of it other than the ad but the premise is just such a desperate attempt at making a tv show.

fancy pigeon

"I have a strategy" To pick random boxes based on some feeling...

Franz Von Peppercorn

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

The all start with zero.

They receive an offer of 10K or so and they turn it down on the "chance" to win X

Its stupid.

If someone walked up to you and tried to sell you a lotto ticket for 10K for the "chance" to win X you would think they were mental.

Take the first offer and go home.

Yeh. Open half the boxes and take the 10-20k. Then look disappointed when you didn’t get the 50k you had no chance of knowing was in the box.

Grayson

jimmymack wrote: »

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2006/oct/21/broadcasting.arts

Great article that pops up whenever Deal or No Deal gets mentioned, it seems like an utterly bizarre set-up

That was a really good read.

I think I've seen one celebrity edition of it and that's it. It does come across very weird behind the scenes.

orourkeda1977

Laois_Man wrote: »

Funny that, I always say a similar thing about Soap Operas. If you watch one of them for a couple of years, you'll have seen all the same stories that all of them do. There's a hell of a lot more hours in those!

Haven't watched Deal or No Deal in years - I didn't even know it was still on. Edmonds' waffle was annoying alright - but even more annoying was his pretense that he was on the side of the contestant, when behind it all, what he was actually doing was subtly goading them into losing money!

I'm not a fan of soaps but at lest we got a chance to perv at Michelle Keegan for a while

Allinall

paleoperson wrote: »

It seems to be for people who don't understand the most absolute basic law of probabilities - the law of averages, aka common sense.

If one box contains $100 and one contains $0, what deal should you accept? Obviously you should accept only something >$50 because you were winning in the long run that way.

"ah now hold on a second OP, $16k can be worth a lot more to some people than a half chance at $32k. $16k will dig them out of debt while they don't need $32k"

The only real problem with debt the interest it accrues. Ideally, this should go both ways. So for whatever debt the $16k uses up, the $32k should make double of, hence the law of probabilities still applies exactly.

If we do however assume that people in debt pay more on their interest than people gain on their savings, all you have to do is factor this into their probability equation. So you could calculate after the next 10 years of interest both in debt vs outside it. Any other thing could be added if you like... simply calculated odds, not "but do you feel daring today Geraldine?".

The bolded bit is where your mathematics and probabilities are very flawed.

There is no "long run".

893bet

kneemos wrote: »

Did you pick the box?

I sure did!

Franz Von Peppercorn

Grayson wrote: »

That was a really good read.

I think I've seen one celebrity edition of it and that's it. It does come across very weird behind the scenes.

I was thinking that journalist was a cut above the normal writer. he’s the guy who wrote the men who stare at goats and the psychopath test.

Yer Da sells Avon

Uncharted wrote: »

Supermarket sweep.









That is all.

I was in Tesco's (yes, Tesco's) earlier, and when I was at the checkout and I heard the beep, I thought of the fun I could have been having on Supermarket Sweep.

paleoperson

Allinall wrote: »

The bolded bit is where your mathematics and probabilities are very flawed.

There is no "long run".

According to the context I'm using it in it's correct.

Credit Checker Moose

893bet wrote: »

I sure did!

jimmymack

jimmymack wrote: »

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2006/oct/21/broadcasting.arts

Great article that pops up whenever Deal or No Deal gets mentioned, it seems like an utterly bizarre set-up

Wonderfully-written article, says a lot about the show and about Edmonds. I've never seen an entire programme, but I'm beginning to believe that it really is the dumbest show in history

-A Corrie fan

Allinall

paleoperson wrote: »

According to the context I'm using it in it's correct.

I thought the context was Deal or No Deal?

The contestant only gets one shot at it.

El Horseboxo

jamesbere wrote: »

How they made a game show out of randomly picking boxes I'll never know.

I was doing that all through college and never had a show made about me.

Motivator

Probably the worst “game” show ever to be aired on the television. I just can’t get my head around how it lasted for so long. Is it still being shown?

I watched a few episodes a few years ago and could never get my head around the backslapping that was given to contestants for their “great strategy”. I doubt a 54 year old bin man from Coventry has a particularly intelligent “strategy” for opening boxes. Absolutely the worst I’ve ever seen.