Litter on N32

TallGlass

What is the crack with the N32, I know there is halting site off it (not that should be any excuse). But the road is in a heap, it is literally littered with bags all along it and trees with bags. It looks awful, have DCC or is it Fingal just given up hope on this road?

Imagine been a tourist seeing that mess. There was a matress outside the haulting site too, do these people not care about the dirt around the estate there? It's mind boggling that not even a few of them give a toss.

Are there other roads as bad as it?

The Enbalmer

TallGlass wrote: »

What is the crack with the N32, I know there is halting site off it (not that should be any excuse). But the road is in a heap, it is literally littered with bags all along it and trees with bags. It looks awful, have DCC or is it Fingal just given up hope on this road?

Imagine been a tourist seeing that mess. There was a matress outside the haulting site too, do these people not care about the dirt around the estate there? It's mind boggling that not even a few of them give a toss.

Are there other roads as bad as it?

Why would they care? They haven't paid for anything so they don't give a stuff.

Halting sites and the environs are always full of dirt and rubbish..the council keeps taking it away and the good people keep dumping it.

Plenty of dumping up my way too..i had "words" with somebody who was leaving bags beside bins on my road all the time. The excuse i got was that he couldnt afford the bin charges (19 euro) but his rubbish indicated he had plenty of money to spend on Budweiser,John Player Blue and various types of takeaways.

I told him the next time he did it i was gonna smash his front window and throw his bags of crap in through the hole..seemed to do the trick

neris

With the bushes being bare you can see in to the halting site and if you think the mess is bad on the road it looks worse in there but the roads a right mess and no these people don't give a flying f*** they live in squalor of their own making so it doesn't bother them. They've always lived like that even back in the day dunsink was a dump where they lived even before you got to actual dump

annoyedgal

Was actually wondering this week who to write to to log a complaint about this. It's absolutely shocking at the moment! Plastic bags in every tree, just sickening. those responsible should be held accountable but sure it will never happen....just horrible to see such blatant disregard for surroundings and nature. Gives me the rage driving this road.....rant over!

neris

Forgtt to mention about the regular burning you see driving by there or even pulling out of Clare hall

Flyingsnowball

Leave us alone. We arnt built the same way settled people are built. I was settled from a young age, like many settled travellers hold down a job and work away.

Sometimes deep in me belly I feel like getting in the car and driving to the west of Ireland and watching the ocean roar. It’s inbuilt inside me insides.

A lot of lads on the sites make their living taking away settled peoples rubbish for a price you could t bring to the dump. That’s why the settled people use travellers to take their rubbish.

You bate a people down for generations, give them nothing but rubbish dumping then complain when they make a mess.

I had to change my name to get a job. It broke me daddies heart so much that he came
Into my first job drunk off his head roaring my real name.

I’ve said too much. Maybe give honest travellers a fair crack of the whip. Let them get jobs that’ll keep them fed not scratching about trying to find a few extra euro dumping rubbish for you while you complain when you see the rubbish on the pretty road.

arybvtcw0eolkf

annoyedgal wrote: »

Was actually wondering this week who to write to to log a complaint about this. It's absolutely shocking at the moment! Plastic bags in every tree, just sickening. those responsible should be held accountable but sure it will never happen....just horrible to see such blatant disregard for surroundings and nature. Gives me the rage driving this road.....rant over!

Pavee Point or that mouth piece John Connors would be a good place to start.

I travel the N32 a number of times a day most days and the council are constantly out cleaning up the rubbish fvcked over the walls from the two halting sites so we can't point at the council for this one.

imme

neris wrote: »

Forgtt to mention about the regular burning you see driving by there or even pulling out of Clare hall

Plastic being burnt off copper wire, a sad feature indeed.

There doesn't seem to be any appetite to do away with the activity.

Atlantic Dawn

neris wrote: »

Forgtt to mention about the regular burning you see driving by there or even pulling out of Clare hall

imme wrote: »

Plastic being burnt off copper wire, a sad feature indeed.

There doesn't seem to be any appetite to do away with the activity.

Yes usually they do it once it gets dark, thick black toxic smoke going in to the air, not a word said.

Never seen it as bad as it was this week. Think it was the strong winds over the weekend that picked up all the rubbish dumped over the walls by the ethnic group.

If you look around the perimeter of their site on google maps satellite you can just see rubbish dumped all over.

bobbyss

Good quality cctv would help to sort it?

Effects

bobbyss wrote: »

Good quality cctv would help to sort it?

Nah, CCTV would just get smashed, wouldn't it?

bobbyss

Effects wrote: »

Nah, CCTV would just get smashed, wouldn't it?

High up mounted on a street light. Well positioned?

Muahahaha

bobbyss wrote: »

Good quality cctv would help to sort it?

Its questionable. The people littering the area just don't give a dam. You can prosecute them and fine them and they won't pay up and just continue on doing it. Its hard to know what to do with that type of individual that has no respect for themselves or anyone else.

TallGlass

bobbyss wrote: »

High up mounted on a street light. Well positioned?

They tried that somewhere in Dublin, the lads stole a truck and rammed it down!

TallGlass

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its questionable. The people littering the area just don't give a dam. You can prosecute them and fine them and they won't pay up and just continue on doing it. Its hard to know what to do with that type of individual that has no respect for themselves or anyone else.

What I don't understand is, travellers are quite proud of the homes (I think!) and have them nice and clean. It's just the most weird thing that people want to live in this type of filth and are happy to be surrounded by dirt, let alone to have to look at that mess each day would drive me mental.

Like a tourist going to The Hilton Hotel and seeing that, it's purely embarrassing.

Along with the fact this is the damage we can see been done, I wonder what is going on that we don't see.

I'd nearly offer help if a group of us when to clean it up, but is there a point. Seems like it will just end up this way again.

highdef

Just to clarify one point, in case it may be causing some people confusion, the road in question is the R139. The N32 ceased to exist several years ago.

hankless

It'll always be the N32

neris

https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1097456717007388673?s=19

highdef

hankless wrote: »

It'll always be the N32

Dublin Fire Brigade seems to disagree in their post above :P

Anyway, I'm heading into Dublin to do so some shopping. Will meet my friends at Nelsons Pillar on Sackville Street.

fatknacker

hankless wrote: »

It'll always be the N32

N324eva

Don't mind them R126 Free State bastards!

highdef

fatknacker wrote: »

N324eva

Don't mind them R126 Free State bastards!

Leave the people from Donabate and Portrane out off this! LOL

Muahahaha

An illegal rubbish dump is continuing to operate in north Dublin, despite Dublin City Council spending more than €230,000 last year to remove accumulated waste from the site.

Residents in Darndale say the green space facing the Belcamp Gardens and Moatview Court estates has been used as a dumping ground for decades, despite periodic attempts to clear the area by the council.

“I’ve been here nearly 30 years and the dump has been there almost all that time, but it was never as bad before the bin charges came in. Now it’s just constant dumping – it’s become a hill of rubbish,” one man living close to the site said.

Another resident with two young daughters said he had not been able to allow them to play on the green space since he moved in, 18 months ago.

Why the residents of Belcamp Gardens have been forced to live next to such a public health hazard needs to be explained
“There are rats running around, syringes, nappies, all sorts of rubbish. You couldn’t let kids out. When the council cleaned it up last summer, straight away it started filling up again. People come in the night and dump out bags and bags of rubbish. To be honest I’m embarrassed to have anyone come to the house at this stage.”

A women who has lived opposite the site for 13 years said the dumping goes on “morning, noon and night” with impunity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/illegal-dublin-dump-still-running-after-230-000-clean-up-1.3814103

millb

solution is for local community action to organise and clean it up with input from stakeholders.. which includes the folks in the halting site

neris

millb wrote: »

solution is for local community action to organise and clean it up with input from stakeholders.. which includes the folks in the halting site

They dont give a **** or feel too intimidated/fearful to do anything, plus its all great for them to give out about but ask them to anything and they,ll probably say "not up to me to clean or give a hand, thats the councils job"

hankless

I didn't realise the road had gotten so bad. I was on it yesterday and this thread came to mind so I was going to keep an eye out to see what people were talking about. Even if i'd never seen this thread, the road is an absolute mess. I can only imagine that local politicians or councilors don't really care. Which is endemic of that part of our county anyway.

It's easy to blame the travellers, but to allow the area get like that is not entirely their fault. Facilities, awareness and education is needed. Not finger pointing.

highdef

Can I assume that there are no bin collections in the halting sites along this road? It's the only reason I can think of for the rubbish pile to build. If there are bin collections provided, there is no real excuse.....no more than in any other residential area/housing estate. We're all equals, traveller or settled, aren't we??? :rolleyes:

neris

highdef wrote: »

Can I assume that there are no bin collections in the halting sites along this road? It's the only reason I can think of for the rubbish pile to build. If there are bin collections provided, there is no real excuse.....no more than in any other residential area/housing estate. We're all equals, traveller or settled, aren't we??? :rolleyes:

Alot of the stuff isnt just normal rubbish its all sorts of crap from bits of caravans and kitchen chairs to kids toys. Try to get a look in through the fences and hedging next time your passing by.

I noticed they have a few truck cabs sitting in one site beside the road, you can just see the tops of the cabs, wondering are they getting into the end of life vehicle dismantling business but wouldnt be surpised if theyre already at this

highdef

I wonder how long it would take for action to be taken against me if I decided to discard of my household rubbish, furniture, DIY leftovers, etc in the nearest greenspace on a frequent basis.....not very long at all, I'm sure.

I feel that I am being victimised because in my culture, society does not allow me to dump my rubbish where I want yet other cultures living in the same country seem to get away with it in a disproportionate way with officials doing very little to put an end to this 3rd world type behaviour.

annoyedgal

If you leave a bag of clothes beside the clothes recycling bank because its full you'll be fined as happened two people i know. Identified via cctv of reg plates.
This bugs the crap out of me. Go after that person as you know they will pay up and not give hassle. Then let a road like that become a total dump with no consequence to the people dumping there. Total disgrace.
Coincidentally drove into mattress micks at the wkd behind the nearby lidl. Lots of dumping around there too. Very off putting as a potential customer and a shame for the businesses in there.

neris

The thing aswell with that road is its used to bring visiting dignitaries like foreign PMs & EU big wigs into Govt buildings, have to wonder what they think when theyre flying by with a garda escort. Years ago when Ireland had the EU presidency and Bertie was leading us into bankruptcy they put mesh fencing & stuff up on the road so visitors wouldnt see the sites and all their rubbish. The locals and PC brigade spent about 2 days on whineline

And I bet if you drove up there with a bag of clothes and dumped them from your car youd have a litter fine in the post within the week

hankless

highdef wrote: »

I wonder how long it would take for action to be taken against me if I decided to discard of my household rubbish, furniture, DIY leftovers, etc in the nearest greenspace on a frequent basis.....not very long at all, I'm sure.

There's not many travelers living in or close to the inner city. Dumping of all of the above is rampant. Action against the perpetrators, or preventative measures are non existent.

Turning this into and us + them debate does neither any use. Not least for the fact that them couldn't give two feics about having the finger pointed at them. So it's hardly an incentive to change.

Effects

hankless wrote: »

It's easy to blame the travellers, but to allow the area get like that is not entirely their fault. Facilities, awareness and education is needed. Not finger pointing.

What kind of facilities? Just provide a licensed dump nearby for them, and let them use it free of charge while the tax payer foots the bill?

Awareness is already there, people dumping are well aware what they are doing is wrong, they don't care.

Education, it's not part of their culture so very hard to get them to change the way they do things. It's easer to subjugate people in your own community when you deny them their education.

highdef

hankless wrote: »

There's not many travelers living in or close to the inner city. Dumping of all of the above is rampant. Action against the perpetrators, or preventative measures are non existent.

Turning this into and us + them debate does neither any use. Not least for the fact that them couldn't give two feics about having the finger pointed at them. So it's hardly an incentive to change.

This thread is specifically about litter problems on the R139 (Ex-N32), not other parts of the country. If we could keep to the discussion on this area and not wander off talking about other places, that would be great, otherwise the thread will go off course discussing the general issue of illegal dumping countrywide.

Effects

Every time I drive that stretch of road I look out for how bad it is.

I remember a few years ago seeing a mobile home that had been lifted up and dumped over the wall. No doubt whatsoever about where it came from. Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

Muahahaha

Its just shocking that the council spent €230,000 cleaning this up and then they go and wreck the place all over again. The community there has obviously passed a tipping point where those who care are now outnumbered by those who don't.

Effects

Muahahaha wrote: »

The community there has obviously passed a tipping point where those who care are now outnumbered by those who don't.

It's not about being outnumbered. It's the kind of people who dump versus the kind of people who don't want it like a dump. Scum will generally come out on top as it's so hard to stop them.

Muahahaha

They have the same dumping problem down in Ballyvolane in Cork. A report on the news said illegal dumping was taking place next to a traveller halting site for over 20 years. After a long campaign the council spent €500,000 clearing away over 230 tonnes of rubbish including 5 tonnes of asbestos. The site was left spotlessly clean. The very next morning a caravan was found dumped on the site. Locals saying they are not confident that the clean up effort will be respected.

Edenmoar

I don't live too far away and because of this I'm the airport run bloke for friends and family, so I have the pleasure of seeing this open dump regularly. It really makes me despair for humanity. The Malahide Road stretch from Tonlegee road to the R137 is absolutely filthy too, sides of roads always strewn with rubbish.
It's only going to get worse, lets face it. I just try not to let it get to me any more, do what you can by creating as little waste as you can and disposing of it correctly like any good citizen would. Humans are filthy creatures but I wouldn't go near that place to clean it up. I am going to a beach cleanup in Bull Island next week, partly to alleviate my conscience but it's a great amenity for the Northside and we should be at least keeping our nature spots clean (it's totally covered with plastic rubbish!).

Stephen Strange

Just to reopen this. A company (I'm assuming operating ln behalf of the council) were out doing a massive clean up yesterday on the N32. Long overdue

neris

Only noticed the other day the amount of rubbish & plastic in the bushes alongside the old belcamp college. It's not dumped rubbish just small crap that's probably been blown in by the wind

elgicko

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/council-plans-to-build-large-wall-in-north-dublin-park-to-tackle-illegal-dumping-42439261.html

Plans to remove the waste and protect the park from further illegal dumping were initially set to cost an estimated €10m