Leaf 30kWh purchase

Redgirl82

I have done a huge amount of research and I have decided to go electric.

My plan was a Leaf 24kWh but I think I have to buy a 2014 model to get the "better" battery? is that correct or am I wrong?

After looking I was thinking about going for a Leaf 30KWh, just wondering what is a good price to pay for one?

Probably buying locally, can't see myself flying to UK and driving back, not enough time

Thanks

Gumbo

Check DoneDeal for current asking prices.
Worth noting that the 30kwh didn’t come out until 2016 (maybe late 2015, maybe someone can confirm) so if you have a 2014 budget you may need to up it for a 30kwh version.

Redgirl82

kceire wrote: »

Check DoneDeal for current asking prices.
Worth noting that the 30kwh didn’t come out until 2016 (maybe late 2015, maybe someone can confirm) so if you have a 2014 budget you may need to up it for a 30kwh version.

Budget is 20k at the moment.

Good to know I need to restrict to 2015. I was looking at loads of ad's and just so difficult to figure out what is what. No details in most of them

Redgirl82

Well sorry I would like 20k but would prefer to stay at 15k or below if possible

RM Ernest

I've started looking at 30kWh leafs in the last month or 2 and prices in Ireland seem to be from about €15k to €19K for 2016 / 2017 models for SV / SVE spec and differing mileage.

As far as I can make out the 30 kWh leaf came out late 2015 but I haven't seen any 2015 plates for sale here or in the UK so far.

I'm looking at 2016 cars and prices between 15 - 17.5K on average. Had been looking at prices in the UK but there didn't seem to be substantial savings to be made. Haven't checked in the last week though.

KCross

L30 did come out in Dec 2015, I think, so you will see very very few 152 L30's. Mainly dealer demos.

They are nearly all 161+

If going for a L24, look at 141+ to be sure its the better battery. There are plenty 131/132 with the better battery but you need to check as there are some Japan models in 131/132 too. Look for the Eco button on the steering wheel.... that means its a Sunderland built Leaf and is the one you want.

If you see an electronic parking brake in the centre armrest area or the beige interior its likely the Japan model.... which you dont want.

Redgirl82

Range on L24 is what 100km?
With heating on 80km?

KCross

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Range on L24 is what 100km?
With heating on 80km?

Speed is what determines that, not really the heating (although that can play a small part too).

What is your max daily travel distance (excluding the occasional holiday run)?
What type of roads do you drive and at what speed?


100-120km would be normal for an L24 on L and N roads if averaging <100km/h, which would be typical.

slave1

We have a 162 Aceta (mid range) L30, we always use preheating and both heater and A/C when cold out, in Summer we always use A/C.
Our real world range is touching 185/190kms at height of Summer and 130'ish in coldest Winter.
Virtually all our journeys are local.

I'd recommend spend the €5k and get a L30 as not just greater range but your battery warranty on a 2014 L24 is up this year whereas the warranty on a 2016 L30 is not until 2024 so huge peace of mind difference........

RM Ernest

slave1 wrote: »

We have a 162 Aceta (mid range) L30, we always use preheating and both heater and A/C when cold out, in Summer we always use A/C.
Our real world range is touching 185/190kms at height of Summer and 130'ish in coldest Winter.
Virtually all our journeys are local.

I'd recommend spend the €5k and get a L30 as not just greater range but your battery warranty on a 2014 L24 is up this year whereas the warranty on a 2016 L30 is not until 2024 so huge peace of mind difference........

When you talk range is that from full 100% to practically 0% or until the low battery warning light comes on? At what percent does the low battery warning come on?

loveisdivine

We are thinking about selling our white 30kw Leaf. It's a 161, with a cold pack. I think there's about 120k km on the clock but would need to double check as my husband drives it most. It has lost 1 battery bar, but is being serviced this week and just had 4 new tyres put on. Not sure if it would be of any interest to you.

Redgirl82

Why do a lot of the advertisement not actually say if it is 24kWh or 30kWh.....

I guess the ones without the battery listed are 24kWh

unkel

You should be able to get a 161 L30 in a private sale for about €15k, but there aren't that many for sale in this country. It's fairly easy to bring a car in from the UK though, I've brought one in again this morning. Flight, ferry and expenses all for EUR150. For electric cars (under €35k) there are no costs involved bringing one in

Personally I would not spend €20k on a L30. That's just too much for what you are getting. And only a few grand short of an Ioniq, which is a far superior car

If you can live with the range of the L24, I would go for a 141 of those, you can pick them up from about €9k. That's a lot of car for the money...

Water John

Trade in on an 161 L30 offered €17K, garage would resell for just under €20K.
Didn't go with that deal, just figures FYI. The battery hadn't lost any bar.

Redgirl82

Water John wrote: »

Trade in on an 161 L30 offered €17K, garage would resell for just under €20K.
Didn't go with that deal, just figures FYI. The battery hadn't lost any bar.

Give you €15,000 as per Unkel post

Nedved85

I would second the idea of buying from the UK, I picked up my Leaf in Dec and I could easily sell it now for a €3k profit over here. I think I hit the very low point of £v€.

Purchased from a main dealer, It has full Nissan Service History, and 9 months extended warranty left on the car itself.

Cost for me for flights and boat back was about €200.

Gumbo

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Range on L24 is what 100km?
With heating on 80km?

My 2014 Leah (24kWh) would do 1km per 1% at 100kmph with heating, AC heated seats and steering wheel on.

KCross

loveisdivine wrote: »

We are thinking about selling our white 30kw Leaf. It's a 161, with a cold pack. I think there's about 120k km on the clock but would need to double check as my husband drives it most. It has lost 1 battery bar, but is being serviced this week and just had 4 new tyres put on. Not sure if it would be of any interest to you.

Be sure to get the firmware update which will put that lost bar back on as you have probably not lost that capacity at all.... its a software error!

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057946021

loveisdivine

KCross wrote: »

Be sure to get the firmware update which will put that lost bar back on as you have probably not lost that capacity at all.... its a software error!

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057946021

Interesting! It's going in for service on Friday so I'll say it to them.

peposhi

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Well sorry I would like 20k but would prefer to stay at 15k or below if possible

I’m going to throw two options out there for you, although one is quite controversial

Put €15k as a deposit towards a new or nearly new Leaf 2.0 and het a HP over 5 years. The savings you make will offset towards the cost your monthly payments.
You are seriously futureproofig yourself as the L40 has double the L24 range...

Or

Ring Phil Fitz. He’ll sorce the right car for you for the right price. And no, I do not work for him. Just believe in his service and a long term returning customer

slave1

RM Ernest wrote: »

When you talk range is that from full 100% to practically 0% or until the low battery warning light comes on? At what percent does the low battery warning come on?

Those ranges I gave are from 100% but not down to zero, we usually charge in the teens, so they would be say 150kms actually driven in Summer + 35kms left on the Guessometer in the car giving 185kms full range/

I think you get a low battery audible alert at either 10% or 15%, the car will actually say "low battery", when you get to something like 4% or 5% then the car starts shutting down stuff but that does not happen that often for us so I can't remember exactly, the odd time we do run it right down as I've read that it's good for battery management...

Gumbo

First low battery alert at 20%.

KCross

loveisdivine wrote: »

Interesting! It's going in for service on Friday so I'll say it to them.

If I were you I'd ring them in advance of that and tell them you want it done because there is a good chance they are not aware of the Nissan bulletin and might not have the software downloaded or whatever.... and you could find that they wont get it done the day you arrive if thats the first they've heard of it.... its hit and miss depending on the dealer.

Give them a headsup a day or two before you drop off the keys.

Redgirl82

unkel wrote: »

You should be able to get a 161 L30 in a private sale for about €15k, but there aren't that many for sale in this country. It's fairly easy to bring a car in from the UK though, I've brought one in again this morning. Flight, ferry and expenses all for EUR150. For electric cars (under €35k) there are no costs involved bringing one in

Personally I would not spend €20k on a L30. That's just too much for what you are getting. And only a few grand short of an Ioniq, which is a far superior car

If you can live with the range of the L24, I would go for a 141 of those, you can pick them up from about €9k. That's a lot of car for the money...

L24 not really a running, I would love to just spend 9k but I fear I will spend my life worrying about not getting to/from my location.

Redgirl82

peposhi wrote: »

I’m going to throw two options out there for you, although one is quite controversial

Put €15k as a deposit towards a new or nearly new Leaf 2.0 and het a HP over 5 years. The savings you make will offset towards the cost your monthly payments.
You are seriously futureproofig yourself as the L40 has double the L24 range...

Or

Ring Phil Fitz. He’ll sorce the right car for you for the right price. And no, I do not work for him. Just believe in his service and a long term returning customer

The new Leaf you mean? it is a lot nicer looking but they are starting 30k or something like that, way outside budget

Are they not just out, nearly new?

slave1

KCross wrote: »

Be sure to get the firmware update which will put that lost bar back on as you have probably not lost that capacity at all.... its a software error!

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057946021

Forgot about that, our L30 in for a service Friday and SOH just over 97% so will take a reading after service to see if any difference...

KCross

slave1 wrote: »

Forgot about that, our L30 in for a service Friday and SOH just over 97% so will take a reading after service to see if any difference...

At 97% I dont think you need the update at all. It seems only required for early L30's where they are <90% already (which isnt normal).

You probably have the latest software, when it rolled off the line.

When was your car registered?

unkel

Redgirl82 wrote: »

L24 not really a running, I would love to just spend 9k but I fear I will spend my life worrying about not getting to/from my location.

You haven't given us any details about your driving habits, we will be able to offer advice if you do

Also, with most EVs there is an element of range anxiety, particularly when you have the car first. Take one for a test drive and do your longer regular drive and see how you get on

Water John wrote: »

Trade in on an 161 L30 offered €17K

With respect, that figure is a bit meaningless. The dealer might offer you €€17k on a €30k car, but if you came in with cash, you might get the car for €27k. Effectively he's giving you just €14k in that case

Water John wrote: »

Trade in on an 161 L30 offered €17K, garage would resell for just under €20K.

€20k for a 3 year old very old model Leaf (launched 10 years ago, that's a very long time in electric vehicle development) would not be a wise decision imho. Given that you can buy a brand new Ioniq for €26k on the road

Redgirl82

unkel wrote: »

You haven't given us any details about your driving habits, we will be able to offer advice if you do

Also, with most EVs there is an element of range anxiety, particularly when you have the car first. Take one for a test drive and do your longer regular drive and see how you get on

It is mostly short runs school, I have 2 drop off and collections each day, potentially shop run etc. I did test a Leaf, 2km or something left when I got home

Now that was busy day but I couldn't work with that. It was a 2012 version but I don't expect the newer version to suddenly add more range

It will be second car in the house

Gumbo

Redgirl82 wrote: »

It is mostly short runs school, I have 2 drop off and collections each day, potentially shop run etc. I did test a Leaf, 2km or something left when I got home

Now that was busy day but I couldn't work with that. It was a 2012 version but I don't expect the newer version to suddenly add more range

It will be second car in the house

That cant be right. The leaf will never display 2km in range. At 7% ish, it changes to - - - and you go into Very low battery warning.

unkel

Redgirl82 wrote: »

It was a 2012 version but I don't expect the newer version to suddenly add more range

That's the version with the original battery, which is fairly poor. The car you drove had probably lost a bar or two as well

The later L24 (from sometime late in '13, but to be sure if you go for a 141) is better

Maybe take a 141 24kWh from a dealer for a test drive? Also, if you do lots of short runs all day, many to and from your house, you can plug the car in, in between runs to give you more range

Jupiter1

Hi I just brought a 2016 July 30 kW leaf in local Nissan garage (deposit on it and waiting for loan to come through). Car has 27 km only and was €17,000. I think it's a very good bargain but I ain't an expert in electric cars. I phoned dealer up to enquire about new 40 km leaf and I asked did he have any 2nd hand cars?? He had only the one. Lady driver and brilliant condition. Will have 1 yr warranty from dealer etc. Anyway I decided to save myself money and go with 30 km range. I will be driving 70 km twice a week. I hope I made the right decision??? Maybe check your local Nissan dealer?

Jupiter1

Oh forgot to say it's a SV cold pack.

Water John

Well wear on that, good value.
Offer was €17K and resale by garage would be just under €20K.
An alt offer from another garage, which the above wouldn't give, was á cash discount of €1K, on the Kona, which we're going with.

unkel

Well wear, not a bad price at all from a main dealer for a 162 car. The warranty is comforting too as your car would have been out of warranty from Nissan themselves by July. You may or may not know it, but your battery has a manufacturers warranty until July 2024

peposhi

Redgirl82 wrote: »

The new Leaf you mean? it is a lot nicer looking but they are starting 30k or something like that, way outside budget

Are they not just out, nearly new?

Yes, nearly new 181/182 already available for grabs...

macnab

There are 2 L30 Leafs for sale on DoneDeal for less than 15k. Might be worth a look.

Redgirl82

Jupiter1 wrote: »

Hi I just brought a 2016 July 30 kW leaf in local Nissan garage (deposit on it and waiting for loan to come through). Car has 27 km only and was €17,000. I think it's a very good bargain but I ain't an expert in electric cars. I phoned dealer up to enquire about new 40 km leaf and I asked did he have any 2nd hand cars?? He had only the one. Lady driver and brilliant condition. Will have 1 yr warranty from dealer etc. Anyway I decided to save myself money and go with 30 km range. I will be driving 70 km twice a week. I hope I made the right decision??? Maybe check your local Nissan dealer?

Which garage ?

slave1

Super price, well done, super car too

Soarer

Nice 30 kWh 6.6 kW Leaf on SpeakEV

Redgirl82

So I talked to local Nissan dealer. He seemed a little bit surprised at the 185km range.....he said more around 140km with the 24km getting around 90-100km

185km he said might be possible if you are driving very very slow

slave1

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So I talked to local Nissan dealer. He seemed a little bit surprised at the 185km range.....he said more around 140km with the 24km getting around 90-100km

185km he said might be possible if you are driving very very slow

Was that in relation to the L30? If he's saying the range of the L30 is 140kms then he's talking through his hat, not much more to say about it, unless you are talking motorway speed and being honest we don't do too much 120km traveling so I would cede to others on that.
We have driven from Athlone to Dublin a few times and just needed a charge at Enfield and at Kilbeggan on the way home if using the motorway, if we take the "old" roads then one fast charge will suffice for up and down (leaving Athlone at 100%).

unkel

It depends on what way you drive, but I'd say you'd need to put considerable effort in to get 185km out of a L30. And forget about it in winter. And even in summer you won't get anywhere near that on motorways unless you drive well below the speed limits

A real life test of ADAC only gave it a range of 159km, and that is with only a few minutes out of the 30 minute test cycle on motorways. Drive at 120km/h GPS speed and I doubt you will even get 140km in winter, probably not even in summer

Refreshing to see that a Nissan dealer is honest about range in real life. But maybe he should have explained a bit more about the effect of speed and temperatures on range. As I said, you might well get 185km range out of the Leaf if you drive on country roads well under 100km/h and take it handy. Go test it and see if the range works for you!

Linky to ADAC test

Calahonda52

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So I talked to local Nissan dealer. He seemed a little bit surprised at the 185km range.....he said more around 140km with the 24km getting around 90-100km

185km he said might be possible if you are driving very very slow

I did a weekly commute from Nenagh to Dublin for about 6 months in a 30 leaf:
the trip was 166 kms and was only doable in summer at <=85 kph.

in winter it was hard work, got stranded twice, < 1km from home, used Leafpro to extract the last electron.
Wind , rain, cold, lights, heating are the enemy

I know the lights and heating are not a huge draw but 300 watts extra for 2.5 hrs is 750 Wh which is a lot when you are on the very edge of the range.

Nedved85

Hmm if I sold my Leaf I could get that VW Egolf ShefWedFan has

unkel

Calahonda52 wrote: »

I know the lights and heating are not a huge draw but 300 watts extra for 2.5 hrs is 750 Wh which is a lot when you are on the very edge of the range.

If you have LED lights, they use almost zero watts compared to the old halogens. Did the SVE / Tekna come with LED as standard and you can upgrade all other Leafs to use them too?

Redgirl82

Calahonda52 wrote: »

I did a weekly commute from Nenagh to Dublin for about 6 months in a 30 leaf:
the trip was 166 kms and was only doable in summer at <=85 kph.

in winter it was hard work, got stranded twice, < 1km from home, used Leafpro to extract the last electron.
Wind , rain, cold, lights, heating are the enemy

I know the lights and heating are not a huge draw but 300 watts extra for 2.5 hrs is 750 Wh which is a lot when you are on the very edge of the range.

I won't be doing motorway driving, highest speed would be 100km

Would I expect 140km?

peposhi

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I won't be doing motorway driving, highest speed would be 100km

Would I expect 140km?

You would get it, but you’d need to drive on ECO mode all the time and really mind your acceleration and regen

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

If you have LED lights, they use almost zero watts compared to the old halogens. Did the SVE / Tekna come with LED as standard and you can upgrade all other Leafs to use them too?

SVE/TEKNA had led as standard. The lower end had halogen. If you upgraded to led bulbs in those, they may look crap and bling other cars, similar to the hid kits in reflector housing, but it’s not the housing that causes the issue, its the glare from the bulb itself.

The sve had small caps in front of the bulbs from memory to account for the led bulb.

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I won't be doing motorway driving, highest speed would be 100km

Would I expect 140km?

I think you would get 140 all day long in an L30.
On the motorway at an indicated 100kmph (cruise control set), my old L24 done 1km for every 1% used, so that’s a theoretical 100km range at 100kmph.

That’s with lights on, heating and AC on.

unkel

kceire wrote: »

I think you would get 140 all day long in an L30.

That's at LeafSpeed though (100km/h indicated or a touch over 90km/h real speed)

I doubt you'd even get much more than 100km in winter at 120km/h real speed...

But as Redgirl82 says, she only would drive slowly, it might suit her fine.

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

That's at LeafSpeed though (100km/h indicated or a touch over 90km/h real speed)

I doubt you'd even get much more than 100km in winter at 120km/h real speed...

But as Redgirl82 says, she only would drive slowly, it might suit her fine.

That’s true. 100 indicated so realistically about 90ish.