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Why can't the old Pros write decent new tunes?

  • 10-02-2019 2:51am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭ Filmer Paradise


    Hi all.

    As a huge fan of '60s/70s music, I sometimes wonder why the all time great songwriters of that era can't write a decent song nowadays.:confused:

    Ray Davies, Paul Mc Cartney, Pete Townshend, Bob Dylan, Brian Wilson & all the others haven't between them written one truly classic tune between them in the last 25 plus years.

    You'd think songwriting is like any other craft in that you'd get better with age & experience.

    I just can't understand why none of them can produce any kind of song now that can capture the public imagination in the way that they could do so easily back in the day.

    Any thoughts?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭ Arghus


    I think people's creative juices dry up after a while and, while they can still keeping churning out music because they have the skills of craftsmen - none of it is as good as the stuff from their hey-day because a lot of their creative inspiration is gone.

    There's way more to it than that, I guess - differing musical times, the pressures of everyday life taking a toll compared to when all you had to do was churn out great songs etc,etc - but that's my hot take!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭ Roanmore


    A lot of great music is made when bands are struggling to make a living, constantly playing, the creativity and life experiences are at an all time high.

    Sitting in your mansion watching the money roll in doesn't have the same edge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭✭✭ BlindRiver


    Arseholes writing them off as has-beens and looking for the next "big thing" probably has a lot to do with it. All the acts you mention have written lots of good tunes in the last 25 years, how many post-60's albums have you listened to without having your opinion guided by a marketing company as a matter of interest?


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭ fran38


    A lot of classic tunes were about 'sticking it to the man' when artists were broke and angry at the system. Now theyre not broke and one could argue theyre part of the system ie: Bono.


  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭ Gary Owen


    Bob Dylan’s album Tempest is one of his best album ever and it only came out a few years back . He rattles a few songs from it to huge applause at his live shows . Make you feel my love from Time out of mind was a huge hit for Adele and a few others . I honestly think his songs from the last few studio albums are as good as anything he has wrote in the 60s or 70s .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭ Max Headroom


    Alzheimer's, or they're too busy counting their coffers to be arsed.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭✭✭ mgfahy2019


    Bob Dylan in fairness keeps the standard high


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,675 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    I often thought this about the older artists.

    You'd hear about the worlds best bands, like the Stones etc. Another band who haven't had a good album in decades.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,835 ✭✭✭✭ Joe_ Public


    Leonard Cohen was recording some of his best work right up to the end. Ry Cooder is consistently hitting the high notes as he has been doing for 50 years. Tom Waits too. Neil Young and Van Morrison are both in extraordinarily prolific periods at the moment, of uneven quality it must be said, but still some fine work in there.

    It’s much more difficult for bands to stay relevant of course, as rivalries and relationships come into it.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 60,747 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty


    Many of those writing stuff back in the 60s and 70s had "other things" on their minds

    Equally though they were to some extent pioneers without the temptation, desire or even wherewithal to copy others. It was a fairly open field then. Nowadays getting something distinctive is nigh on impossible


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭ Lorelli!


    I think there's lots of reasons but in general they peak.
    You'd think songwriting is like any other craft in that you'd get better with age & experience.

    It's not really the same with songwriting especially when you need motivation and inspiration which are not so easily created.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭ vriesmays


    The drugs don't work anymore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭ bobbyss


    When you get older you get more tired. You have families. Bands split up.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭ IAMAMORON


    I listened to this song 9314 times today. I remember my uncle used to sing it in the shower, a long long time ago. It is a real song though, real stuff, it reminds me of when I was a teenager and waiting for phone calls from crushes etc. it has a really aching message all the same, love is lost sometimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭ riclad


    most pop groups sing the songs, taylor swift is the exception to the rule.
    When you become successful you become rich.You will be surrounded by cronys, hangers on ,a posse ,bodygaurds .You lose touch with real life .
    People get older, have kids.Most bands have 1 or 2 good album,s .
    Have a few hits and go on tour .
    Also many people in the music industry use drugs.
    When you are young and hungry its easy to get inspired .
    Theres a whole industry of songwriters who write for adele and jennifer lopez etc
    i think paul mccartney has wrote enough great songs,
    why should he write more .
    he does not need the money.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭ sugarman


    Some do, in fact some have wrote some of their better works later in their career..

    Judas Priest have been around for 50 years at this stage, and probably one of my favourite albums of theirs along with many other fans has been their most recent, Firepower. Their 18th studio album. It certainly doesn't sound like something a bunch of auld lads pushing 70 could put out after all those years, it's brilliant.

    Another is Beastie Boys final album, Hot Sauce Committee Part 2. Put together while MCA was dying of cancer. Incredible album and probably their strongest album in almost 20 years, but they always were a band that evolved with the times and kept a fresh style.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭ Infernum


    There was a time where people were 'wowed' by music but with how drastically the music industry has changed in recent years, the magic just isn't there anymore. It's a whole different environment that I guess the old pros struggle to keep up with. Different times, different expectations, etc.

    There's also just the fact that much of their audience see those artists as antiques of the past, or are unaware that they're even still around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭ bullpost


    Infernum wrote: »
    There was a time where people were 'wowed' by music but with how drastically the music industry has changed in recent years, the magic just isn't there anymore. It's a whole different environment that I guess the old pros struggle to keep up with. Different times, different expectations, etc.

    There's also just the fact that much of their audience see those artists as antiques of the past, or are unaware that they're even still around.

    https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/music-reviews/2020/0619/1148441-bob-dylan-now-more-than-ever/

    Where theres a will..................


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11 TomRiddle35


    Yes the magic is gone, Simon Cowell and neoliberal economics killed the music industry/popular culture, its at its lowest point now since the invention of recorded music. It'll come back again though but we need some sort of revolution/uprising, storm the radio stations for starters, I'm counting on Gen Z to do it, I'm too auld myself.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11 TomRiddle35


    Also Dylan's Murder Most Foul, the song he released a few months back is in my opinion an absolute classic, as good as anything he's ever done. Bob's still knocking them out of the park


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ thesultan


    Paul weller still flying it


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭ Man with broke phone


    Bob Dylan just released an amazing album a few months ago.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Say Your Number


    Thought Western Stars by Springsteen was great and he was 68 when he wrote it, I would say the last three albums by Joe Satriani are among his best work and he's 64 now, after 6/7 albums there does seem to be a decline in standard, while there are flashes it's usually downhill from there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭ Test For Echo


    I would say the last three albums by Joe Satriani are among his best work and he's 64 now,

    Unstoppable Momentum, Shockwave Supernova and Shapeshifting are great albums. Definitely elevated by the quality of the other musicians on the albums.

    What Happens Next I thought was a poor album. Chad Smith & Glenn Hughes added feck all (IMO).


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,018 ✭✭✭✭ bodhrandude


    Toots Hibbert from the Maytals had a velvet voice right up to near his death, he was actually working in the studio at the time.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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