UFC 234 WHITTAKER VS GASTELUM

mailburner

Prelims and main card bt sports 2 1-3 and 3-7




Sucks for all here especially the aussies having this on at a time to suit the yanks

It's hard to get excited about any fight outside the main two, fancy a pts win for adesanya but I fear this will be more of a dancing contest with lots of booing.

whittaker but I'm not sure how he gets it done, will no doubt be relieved not to be staring over at romero though.

Sam alvey on the main card...meh

yahya likes subs, has 20 sub wins

ishihara is the worst fighter on the ufc roster but he has a few fans I guess.

I can't see where the excitement is going to come from outside of the main event so for me staying up might feel like a bit of a slog but a slog I'll do if I'm wrong about the card.

dulux99

Will watch as far as Lando and catch the rest tomorrow.

Hard to ignore all the talk of Gastelums ringworm/staph this week so it's put a bit of a dampener on the main event for me.

Adesanya vs Silva simply shouldn't be happening.

ricero

Gastelum and Adasenya by ko/tko

Subcomandante Marcos

Think I'll be recording this and watching it with a bowl of porridge tomorrow morning not long after it ends rather than staying up all night.

The main event will be a great fight, the co main is a farce in an attempt to justify Izzy jumping the title contention queue and although some of the under card fights look decent I just don't fancy being sleep deprived tomorrow.

d00mk1n

Robert Whittaker is out.

New Main Event Isreal vs Silva

fermanagh_man

d00mk1n wrote: »

Robert Whittaker is out.

New Main Event Isreal vs Silva

****!!!
Man Whittaker has awful luck with injury

ASOT

Not staying up now anyway **** sake

dulux99

Ah Jesus Christ.

Second time he's pulled out of a main event in Australia. There's a few of my mates going to this event and will be waking up to this news any minute. Sickening

Wrongway1985

Oh dear the main intrigue gone that's a very sad looking numbered event.

ASOT

Isreal v Silva for an interim id say

Subcomandante Marcos

Hernia, ouchies.

ricero

Have to laugh everyone thought it would be Gastelum pulling out and then this happens

Zero-Cool

I can picture dana's head about to explode with rage, what a sickner. He's having surgery today according to DW.

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1094330216116187136?s=19

Subcomandante Marcos

In fairness, this isn't anyone's fault, it's just bad luck, can't blame bobby for it.

Silva and Style Bender for Interm Title :P

Beersmith

Wow, must now be the worst ever PPV card. Seriously who da fup are most of the fighters on the card

ricero

Beersmith wrote: »

Wow, must now be the worst ever PPV card. Seriously who da fup are most of the fighters on the card

Yea it really is the drizzling ****s of a ppv

mailburner

Sh1te

Imagine paying for this

If ever a card needed this fight it's this card, rip 234
The poor fans in oz though...

Autecher

Vannata v Rosa is the new co-main? That fight was originally on the Fight Pass prelims!! It will probably be entertaining as Lando's fights usually are because he gets hit so much but having a guy who's UFC record is 1-3-2 fight an unknown guy making his UFC debut in the co-main of a ppv just shows what a lousy card it was already.

Wrongway1985

4 out of the 10 fighters on what's the main card now have no Wikipedia page

Saw during week Dana was asked by a journo that some people would suggest this is a top heavy card, his response was no we got Jim Crute/Sam Alvey on there that should be a fun one wasn't pressed but that was always on the main card and it was obvious Dana couldn't actually name a single fight on the prelims

Zero-Cool

Well that escalated quickly

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1094336476261818368?s=19

Autecher

Oh and it's been confirmed that Silva v Adesanya will be a 3 round main event. I assume it was too late notice for Silva given his age and he trained for 3 rounds?

JacksonHeightsOwn

How exactly has he only been diagnosed with a hernia so severe it needs an operation, this close to the event??

derfderf

Well I'm not paying $50 for Silva vs Stylebender.

ERG89

Beersmith wrote:

Wow, must now be the worst ever PPV card. Seriously who da fup are most of the fighters on the card

Would it not make sense to have a fighter as backup.
Both of the main fights were in the middleweight division so the odds of one going down weren't exactly low.
Even Gastelum having a staph infection and ringworm is ridiculous.
Feel bad for Whittaker as he's had enough health issues before.

ASOT

derfderf wrote: »

Well I'm not paying $50 for Silva vs Stylebender.

Madness to pay that for any card anyway.

mailburner

How do those ppv's work anyway?

Do they still charge full price for the likes of this even at this stage with no real main event?

I'll assume they do when so many have paid the full price already before this news broke.

derfderf

mailburner wrote: »

How do those ppv's work anyway?

Do they still charge full price for the likes of this even at this stage with no real main event?

I'll assume they do when so many have paid the full price already before this news broke.

I'm in Australia. Same price regardless. It's on at 2pm here, so it's a good time to watch
I get some people say it's madness to pay, but if nobody pays there's no UFC.

derfderf

ASOT wrote: »

Madness to pay that for any card anyway.

If you take everything in to account (average wages, cost of living etc) it's like paying €20 to watch in the middle of the day in Ireland. It's not that bad, and, as i said below, someone has to pay.

mailburner

derfderf wrote: »

If you take everything in to account (average wages, cost of living etc) it's like paying €20 to watch in the middle of the day in Ireland. It's not that bad, and, as i said below, someone has to pay.

well it's showing up as 65 bucks digital ppv in the states which is staggering considering outside of the two main fights the rest of the card was as weak as I've seen in a very long time for a ppv.

Nothing short of daylight robbery right now regardless of time but hey it's worth more to be able to watch these at a normal hour it's fair to say.

derfderf

mailburner wrote: »

well it's showing up as 65 bucks digital ppv in the states which is staggering considering outside of the two main fights the rest of the card was as weak as I've seen in a very long time for a ppv.

Nothing short of daylight robbery right now regardless of time but hey it's worth more to be able to watch these at a normal hour it's fair to say.

$65US. Probably $85AUS. I'd be pissed paying that.They pay more in the US as it's on at primetime. I prefer 2pm Sunday to be honest.

derfderf

Also $50Aus is probably €30 at current exchange rate, but everything costs more in general over here, even after taking the exchange rate into account. That's where i got €20 from.

That is a weak PPV card There is still some fun fights on it though, I'll watch it for sure but I wouldn't pay for it

mailburner

Another loss for ishihara coming right up imo

Doesn't belong here at all

mailburner

Great fun while it lasted

Mellor

ERG89 wrote: »

Would it not make sense to have a fighter as backup.
Both of the main fights were in the middleweight division so the odds of one going down weren't exactly low.
Even Gastelum having a staph infection and ringworm is ridiculous.
Feel bad for Whittaker as he's had enough health issues before.

It's makes sense to have a back up in hindsight. But it's not feasible for every card. It means having a fighter in camp, taking a 24h flight, cutting weight. It would interfere with upcoming fights a lot. As the standby can't book another fight.

derfderf

Didn't they originally ask Stylebender to be backup and he said no?

Mellor

derfderf wrote: »

Also $50Aus is probably €30 at current exchange rate, but everything costs more in general over here, even after taking the exchange rate into account. That's where i got €20 from.

The problem with using the exchange rate to compare is that it changes. Having it seem more or less expensive in euro. But the cost isn't changing.
Cost of living differences are a big factor, as you said. So I think look at it in terms if min-wage makes most sense. Which works out st about €25. Hardly scandalous

Mellor

Marcos Rosa Mariano has zero ground game. I reckon an blue belt hobbiest taps him.

Mellor

I give that second round to Silva
19-19 going into the last round.
Israel needs to fight smart

Mellor

Lion Killer wrote: »

UFC most likely knew in advance Whitaker would not be fighting tonight. They didn't announce it because people would start demanding refunds and perhaps it would have an effect on PPV numbers. There were probably people who turned up at the arena only to find out Whitaker would not be fighting. A ****ty way to treat people but don't expect better from a promoter.

Or you can believe the UFC version of events.

I wouldn't put it past the UFC. But your scenario has a lot of holes it in.
The story broke from Whitakers camp. Not an official UFC statement. So any shenanigans would require Whitaker to be in on screwing over the largely hometown crowd. Which I'd find unlikely, personally. Also there's zero chance his team or doctors let him go through with a weight cut a few hours before scheduled surgery.
Plus there's the fact Kelvin still gets paid show money because he weighed in. That's probably a bigger cost than refunding a small % of tickets.

tommyboy26

whats the story with kelvin holding a belt after the main fight

JacksonHeightsOwn

tommyboy26 wrote: »

whats the story with kelvin holding a belt after the main fight

And what's the story with the rumours he has staph, or ringworm or herpes apparently?

Autecher

tommyboy26 wrote: »

whats the story with kelvin holding a belt after the main fight

That was Henry Cejudo's belt, he was carrying it all night, in interviews before & after the event too. He was saying because Whittaker didn't turn up for work that it the middleweight belt was his now and if he Robert wants to win his belt back he can if they get to fight. Cringey stuff but thta's how it is these days.

chrisbonnie wrote: »

And what's the story with the rumours he has staph, or ringworm or herpes apparently?

He said after the event that he had staph and he had stuff all over his body. How he would have been allowed to fight I don't know as he was making no effort to hide it like Kevin Lee did but it never mattered in the end.

Autecher

Haha! He is correct too except it's one of Cejudo's belts Kelvin was holding.


https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1094470024297922560

The Nal

That Sam Alvey stoppage was ridiculous.

ricero

I thought the Silva vs Adesandya fight was great fun.

Hope Kelvin is still next in line for a title shot although it wouldn't surprise me if the Ufc screwed him over and now put Israel ahead of him.

mailburner

most surprised i've been by a card in a while, expected nothing from this, main event included
what a fun fight the main event was, would love to have seen that when silva was in his prime but even at his age his performance was pretty good, almost vintage silva at times and I desperately wanted adesanya to get clipped at times

devonte smith is a gas man, loved his interview and how his only loss came to john gunther is beyond me :eek:

ricky simon the name to take from this card for me, don't see anyone subbing that guy for a long time, could be a contender very soon
also very happy vannata got a win and an easy one against an opponent who clearly won't be in the ufc for long

mailburner

ricero wrote: »

Hope Kelvin is still next in line for a title shot although it wouldn't surprise me if the Ufc screwed him over and now put Israel ahead of him.

quite possible if he wanted it but I reckon adesanya will want one more fight

surely has to get one of weidman, rock or romero next surely, hoping it's romero myself

such a shame mousasi isn't there, what a dream match up that would be

ASOT

Paulo Costa giving it the large one to Israel calling him scrawny, someone should tell him not everyone is flat out on the juice. Bizarre tweet. The idiot also tagged Style Blender & not Israel.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsRJpXhjy6

ricero

Totally forgot that he was fighting Yoel next in Miami.

What a fight that should be.