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Cyrus

Looking for a 7 seater, ideally BMW. Mercedes, Landrover or Volvo

I assume i have all the bases covered with:

X5, GLE (new), GLS (old), New Disco, Old Disco, New RR Sport and XC90

anything else? Tesla model s?

Ideally want to get something in the 35-50k range if i can later in the year,

id prefer something with a battery even if its just a 30-40k range

pippip

Audi Q7

Cyrus

forgot about that, not a massive fan...

Theboinkmaster

Personally for that money id get an x5 m sport

Widdensushi

Do you want seven seats or seven seats and room for luggage? Adults in the back or children? How much mileage etc?Warranty or out of warranty? Going to have to give more information to get better answers

Sabre Man

Tesla Model X.

Model S could have 2 jump seats in the boot for small children, but this option has been discontinued.

carsfan2

You won’t get any of the cars listed new for less than 50k.
A new Skoda kodiaq with a few extras is nudging that these days.

cruizer101

Lexus rx maybe

Cyrus

Widdensushi wrote: »

Do you want seven seats or seven seats and room for luggage? Adults in the back or children? How much mileage etc?Warranty or out of warranty? Going to have to give more information to get better answers

7 seats and a little room still in the boot if possible,

children in the back

will be main dealer bought so expect premium approved warranty ( 2 years)

Below 50k mileage

Cyrus

carsfan2 wrote: »

You won’t get any of the cars listed new for less than 50k.
A new Skoda kodiaq with a few extras is nudging that these days.

im aware of that :P will be pre owned obviously

Cyrus

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Personally for that money id get an x5 m sport

thats where im leaning, just making sure im not missing anything else obvious

7 seat version of this would be ideal

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/x5/used-2017-172-bmw-x5-2-0-xdrive-hybri-dublin-fpa-201901214159298

Oafley Jones

Cyrus wrote: »

im aware of that :P will be pre owned obviously

You’re still fairly optimistic. With your money and requirements for space you’re looking at MPVs.

Cyrus

Oafley Jones wrote: »

You’re still fairly optimistic. With your money and requirements for space you’re looking at MPVs.

you dont think i can get a 7 seater x5 m sport for 50k from a main dealer or an xc90,

no thanks to an mpv i dont need 7 seats they would just be handy every now and again.

Theboinkmaster

Cyrus wrote: »

thats where im leaning, just making sure im not missing anything else obvious

7 seat version of this would be ideal

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/x5/used-2017-172-bmw-x5-2-0-xdrive-hybri-dublin-fpa-201901214159298

Looks good, personally the privacy glass would be a must for me.

cruizer101

What about hyundai santa fe or kia sorrento

Heres two examples of high spec models, and while not premium that come with most of the luxuries you get on the "premium" models

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-santa-fe-executive-plus-4-wheel-drive/19051363
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-sorento-gt-line-automatic-3-9-funding-rate/20352697

Theboinkmaster

Cyrus wrote: »

you dont think i can get a 7 seater x5 m sport for 50k from a main dealer or an xc90,

Yeah to be fair I think you'd struggle if you wanted to keep it 2 years old, might have to go 3 years old.

Probably have to go to UK? I'm not sure but I imagine a 2 year old m sport from main dealer would be 55-60k?

carsfan2

Cyrus wrote: »

im aware of that :P will be pre owned obviously

In your original post you said new discovery,xc90 and new merc gle (hasn’t been released here yet) so I took it you meant brand new.
If premium used I’d go x5 or xc90.
Should be a good selection and they’re both good. Bmw drives better but xc90 has better second and third row.
Maybe include the new model Hyundai Santa Fe or Kia Sorento?new Santa Fe supposed to have moved upmarket a good bit.
Really down to personal preference though.

Theboinkmaster

cruizer101 wrote: »

What about hyundai santa fe or kia sorrento

Heres two examples of high spec models, and while not premium that come with most of the luxuries you get on the "premium" models

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-santa-fe-executive-plus-4-wheel-drive/19051363
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-sorento-gt-line-automatic-3-9-funding-rate/20352697

To be fair I'd say the OP is looking to stay in the premium end of things, probably a BMW.

Cyrus

yep id rather a 2-4 year old x5 than a new kia or skoda personally

Cyrus

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Yeah to be fair I think you'd struggle if you wanted to keep it 2 years old, might have to go 3 years old.

Probably have to go to UK? I'm not sure but I imagine a 2 year old m sport from main dealer would be 55-60k?

thats not an issue, when i said 2 years i meant warranty not age of car

Theboinkmaster

Cyrus wrote: »

yep id rather a 2-4 year old x5 than a new kia or skoda personally

#metoo

Theboinkmaster

Cyrus wrote: »

thats not an issue, when i said 2 years i meant warranty not age of car

Keep an eye on Beshoffs as they sometimes get in nice X5s, though you'd only get a 1 year warranty. Price would reflect the fact that it's out of the BMW used network - think they get a lot of UK imports.

Then I'd say you'd easily pick up a nice x5 over in the UK for €50k.

Any preference for colours? I love black with oyster black interior but not sure how practical it is with kids :rolleyes:

Cyrus

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Keep an eye on Beshoffs as they sometimes get in nice X5s, though you'd only get a 1 year warranty. Price would reflect the fact that it's out of the BMW used network - think they get a lot of UK imports.

Then I'd say you'd easily pick up a nice x5 over in the UK for €50k.

Any preference for colours? I love black with oyster black interior but not sure how practical it is with kids :rolleyes:

i have trained the kids! you know what stops them kicking? a step under the car seat, works wonders

will keep an eye on beshoffs, part of me is thinking of a nice 7 series or s class either.... issue at the moment is we have a new glc, but with two kids now there is no room for anyone else in the car, maybe with say a 7 series you might still get a third person in the back.

Marcusm

Cyrus wrote: »

yep id rather a 2-4 year old x5 than a new kia or skoda personally

The X5 hybrid is only 5 seats and the engine is fairly low powered for the size of the car. The new X5 coming later will deal with the engine by upsizing to a 3L. I think the X5 comes in a fair bit cheaper at 3-4 years than the XC90 probably due to the overwhelming popularity of the latter.

If you are happy with 5 seats, the Cayenne e-hybrid might also be an option.

I think there should be a lot of 3 year olds coming off lease in the UK in the first half of this year.

Cyrus

Marcusm wrote: »

The X5 hybrid is only 5 seats and the engine is fairly low powered for the size of the car. The new X5 coming later will deal with the engine by upsizing to a 3L. I think the X5 comes in a fair bit cheaper at 3-4 years than the XC90 probably due to the overwhelming popularity of the latter.

If you are happy with 5 seats, the Cayenne e-hybrid might also be an option.

I think there should be a lot of 3 year olds coming off lease in the UK in the first half of this year.

ah of course because of the battery

i didnt think of that.

is the x5 cheaper than the xc90? year for year? maybe as its comparing an old model x5 and a current xc90

lolliedog

A left field choice, Mercedes Viano

Theboinkmaster

Something like this?

https://www.beshoffmotors.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=2202710&r=

Can you get the 6th and 7th back row of seats retrofitted?

carsfan2

You can’t retrofit the third row as the hybrid battery is in the space for them.
I’d look for x5 30/40d m sport if you’re looking primarily for a nice car to drive with occasional use of a third row.

Marcusm

Cyrus wrote: »

ah of course because of the battery

i didnt think of that.

is the x5 cheaper than the xc90? year for year? maybe as its comparing an old model x5 and a current xc90

Not so much because of the battery but the Volvo i4 2L has a turbo and supercharger whereas the BMW equivalent has a turbo only. It might be a less stressed engine. Lots of the BMWs available in U.K. at lower prices than XC90 which I think is holding it’s value better because of its utter attractiveness/popularity.

Cyrus

just speaking to a friend about the x5 and he doesnt recommend it (as a 7 seater) no iso fix on the 3rd row whereas he believes the volvo does have, can anyone confirm?

Widdensushi

Cyrus wrote: »

just speaking to a friend about the x5 and he doesnt recommend it (as a 7 seater) no iso fix on the 3rd row whereas he believes the volvo does have, can anyone confirm?

Not isofix in the third row in the volvo, I am not sure that I would like to have children at the isofix stage seat in the back row either, I keep the two younger in the middle row and the older 9/10 in the back row on booster s

Cyrus

ok so say you have 4 adults and two kids in car seats, presume you need the adults to fold themselves into the 3rd row someway?

Old diesel

Cyrus wrote: »

Looking for a 7 seater, ideally BMW. Mercedes, Landrover or Volvo

I assume i have all the bases covered with:

X5, GLE (new), GLS (old), New Disco, Old Disco, New RR Sport and XC90

anything else? Tesla model s?

Ideally want to get something in the 35-50k range if i can later in the year,

id prefer something with a battery even if its just a 30-40k range

Model S 3rd row is very compromised.

Think of the fact you have a hatchback shape on the Model S and the kids are sitting in a hatchback boot.

I'm talking purely from a space and access viewpoint.

Suited for small kids only.

It's also not standard on a Model S to the best of my knowledge.

Edit I note another posters point about the 7 seat option been discontinued

drunkmonkey

Think you'd nead your head read buying a plug in X5. The 3.0L diesel would be a better option.
There's a few eco warriors here would disagree but your going to get hammered on fuel bills and depreciation.
Also the X5 is the least family friendly of the ones you first mentioned.

drunkmonkey

Cyrus wrote: »

ok so say you have 4 adults and two kids in car seats, presume you need the adults to fold themselves into the 3rd row someway?

We've 3 baby seats across the middle row and 2 adults in the back row and 2 in the front. Or else just 7 adults. The XC90 is plenty big enough and enough room left to fill the boot with all the kit needed for a day at the beach. Back 2 seats are very roomy.
I wouldn't get caught up on buying from a main dealer if the service history is there and it's still under manafactuer warranty.

Toots

Cyrus wrote: »

ok so say you have 4 adults and two kids in car seats, presume you need the adults to fold themselves into the 3rd row someway?

Pretty much. I’ve a 7 seater with car seats for a 1 year old and 7 year old in the middle row. The only type of child seat that fits easily in the back row of a lot of the 7 seaters is a booster cushion or a very narrow high back booster. Neither of my kids’ seats fitted in the back row of any 7 seaters I looked at. Also I looked at loads of cars, both premium and non premium, and I couldn’t find anything that has isofix in the 3rd row.

Idbatterim

I believe I saw a figure of thirty one thousand sterling posted on this forum the other day for a model s in the uk ...

RedorDead

Out of all the cars you mention the Q7 has the best 3rd row setup. Not the nicest looking of the 3 but by far the most practical and 4 wheel drive and always 6 cylinder also. Other 7 seat options are compromised.

Cyrus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Think you'd nead your head read buying a plug in X5. The 3.0L diesel would be a better option.
There's a few eco warriors here would disagree but your going to get hammered on fuel bills and depreciation.
Also the X5 is the least family friendly of the ones you first mentioned.

diesels are dead, next 2 years i reckon, 3 maybe

drunkmonkey

Cyrus wrote: »

diesels are dead, next 2 years i reckon, 3 maybe

Not a hope unless the Government of the day want to commit political suicide. There's enough old boys around to not make the same mistake as 1982.
They'll still be diesels chugging merely along in 10yrs.

pippip

Cyrus wrote: »

diesels are dead, next 2 years i reckon, 3 maybe

Maybe in small cars but not in large vehicles like your looking at.
Have you seen an alternative yet on the market that has the power and torque needed for large SUV's?

carsfan2

Cyrus wrote: »

diesels are dead, next 2 years i reckon, 3 maybe

No way especially in large suv’s Like you’re thinking of.
All the manufacturers except Volvo have said diesel will be very much the norm in this segment.
If this is the way you’re thinking then the plug in hybrid xc90 is your only option.

Cyrus

Wait until the shipping market moves to gasoil next year as a result of the 2020 emissions requirements and the price of diesel rockets ....

Cyrus

pippip wrote: »

Maybe in small cars but not in large vehicles like your looking at.
Have you seen an alternative yet on the market that has the power and torque needed for large SUV's?

Forced induction petrol , electric and a hybrid thereof

Widdensushi

carsfan2 wrote: »

No way especially in large suv’s Like you’re thinking of.
All the manufacturers except Volvo have said diesel will be very much the norm in this segment.
If this is the way you’re thinking then the plug in hybrid xc90 is your only option.

Not seeing them available to his budget, maybe in UK but the warranty could still be a problem.

drunkmonkey

XC90 hybrid maybe in the Dublin commuter belt, could make it a hard sell as it's useless in the rest of the country come trade in time. They'll want a diesel not a petrol gobbling version.

pippip

Cyrus wrote: »

Forced induction petrol , electric and a hybrid thereof

Yes all great concepts at the moment. They would all need to be main stream in SUV market at the moment to eliminate diesel in the next 2-3 years like you claimed. The nearest is the electric with Audi and that starts at €99k in the Q7.

The main problem for SUV's is that electric have been developed for normal road use and even at that they are struggling for mileage range. Anyone who does happen to need to use their SUV for off road and towing just isn't going to go near them.

Cyrus

pippip wrote: »

Yes all great concepts at the moment. They would all need to be main stream in SUV market at the moment to eliminate diesel in the next 2-3 years like you claimed. The nearest is the electric with Audi and that starts at €99k in the Q7.

The main problem for SUV's is that electric have been developed for normal road use and even at that they are struggling for mileage range. Anyone who does happen to need to use their SUV for off road and towing just isn't going to go near them.

Why isn’t electric suitable for off road and towing ?

BMW X5 petrol hybrid is main stream isn’t it ?

May 2-3 years is too short a time frame but it will be soon which is ironic given the government basically shifting buying incentives to diesel completely over the past decade

drunkmonkey

Still waiting on my hoverboard.

An X5 petrol is about as far from mainstream as you can get in an X5 here.

Diesel isn't dying, in fact new diesel sales are down but what the news articles aren't telling you is that diesel imports are through the roof.

Electric, phev, hybrid won't be main stream until you can pick one up for €1000 or less like a normal car. That involves years and years of big sales numbers. It's not something is going to happen in 2/3yrs will probably take a generation.
Also none of these electrics can pull a trailer.

It's your money but putting down 50k on an old model X5 with a petrol engine nobody wants and has a reputation of being expensive to run is daft.

pippip

Cyrus wrote: »

Why isn’t electric suitable for off road and towing ?

BMW X5 petrol hybrid is main stream isn’t it ?

May 2-3 years is too short a time frame but it will be soon which is ironic given the government basically shifting buying incentives to diesel completely over the past decade

Why isn’t electric suitable for off road and towing ?
Oh again it can do it but your battery range will be laughable.
Also the extra weight of the batteries found in electric vehicles heavily limits the towing capacity greatly of the vehicle. And reduces the legal weight you can tow with a standard driving licence.

BMW X5 petrol hybrid is main stream isn’t it ?
I can't see it on the BMW website?

Cyrus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Still waiting on my hoverboard.

An X5 petrol is about as far from mainstream as you can get in an X5 here.

Diesel isn't dying, in fact new diesel sales are down but what the news articles aren't telling you is that diesel imports are through the roof.

Electric, phev, hybrid won't be main stream until you can pick one up for €1000 or less like a normal car. That involves years and years of big sales numbers. It's not something is going to happen in 2/3yrs will probably take a generation.
Also none of these electrics can pull a trailer.

It's your money but putting down 50k on an old model X5 with a petrol engine nobody wants and has a reputation of being expensive to run is daft.

Diesel is popular in Ireland because market circumstances dictate that right now it’s the most sensible buy. All I’m saying is there is a high chance that cost of diesel will rise significantly in 2020 and also that emissions legislation will make it far less attractive very soon