Micky Jackson in trouble again

hetuzozaho

The Nal wrote: »

Yeah, but did the Catholic Church release Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad in a row?

Come on, this thread is about Michael Jackson not the genius of Quincy Jones!

hetuzozaho

mayordenis wrote: »

He lied in court.

But he was under oath! Under oath!

Scotty #

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Yes its tough to understand. I was never subjected to anything of the kind and find it hard to imagine. But other child abuse victims seem to resonate with this. ...

No, no, I fully understand a victim blocking or blanking the abuse out. Of course I do. But, I don't understand a victim actively proclaiming their abusers innocence even years after that abuser has died.

mayordenis

hetuzozaho wrote: »

But he was under oath! Under oath!

Rrrreeeeeeeee, hadn't thought of that

frosty123

mayordenis wrote: »

He lied in court.

well then he's guilty of perjury he should be arrested

Scotty #

The Nal wrote: »

People who are so sure they're lying are fooling themselves. They could be, but it looks unlikely.

I'm not SO sure they are lying now but I'm 100% certain they have lied at some stage. Therefor, they must bring further evidence to the case now to corroborate what they are now claiming to be the truth. Not too much to ask is it? Until then, MJ gets the benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

hetuzozaho

Scotty # wrote: »

No, no, I fully understand a victim blocking or blanking the abuse out. Of course I do. But, I don't understand a victim actively proclaiming their abusers innocence even years after that abuser has died.

I get ya yeah. I suppose you have to get in the mind of someone's whose upbringing was a bit messed up. Thankfully I can't do it.

After Jackson died they were publicly defending him is it? I lose track of all this! Ha

Thinking about it tho people do live "lies" and actively proclaim things that are not the truth. Again and again. Depending on how they feel about the thing. Gulit/shame. It happens. So not that outlandish

Boggles

Scotty # wrote: »

No, no, I fully understand a victim blocking or blanking the abuse out. Of course I do. But, I don't understand a victim actively proclaiming their abusers innocence even years after that abuser has died.

Robson defended him up until the Jackson estate did not select him to direct one of their shows.

That's where the whole ruse started.

That was in 2011-2012, in 2013 he claimed he didn't know Jackson had an estate all though he was telling everyone 2 years previously he was working for them.

:pac:

tylercheribini

Do the doubters of the victims abuse claims also doubt Jacksons stories of childhood physical abuse then? Both word of mouth, at least be consistent about looking for evidence/proof to believe someone.

hetuzozaho

tylercheribini wrote: »

Do the doubters of the victims abuse claims also doubt Jacksons stories of childhood physical abuse then? Both word of mouth, at least be consistent about looking for evidence/proof to believe someone.

The ones I've heard interviewed seem to believe the abusive childhood led to the Peter Pan type thing.

Not sure if Joe was ever charged with anything in court.

Michael did honour him with an annual Joseph Jackson day at the Neverland ranch apparently.

Scotty #

tylercheribini wrote: »

Do the doubters of the victims abuse claims also doubt Jacksons stories of childhood physical abuse then? Both word of mouth, at least be consistent about looking for evidence/proof to believe someone.

Jackson didn't spend most of his adult life proclaiming he wasn't abused and then suddenly changing it to he was. See the difference?

WinnyThePoo

Can say I'm surprised lads have come out. I think there will be more.

Mick j was a billionaire adult. Not a Peter pan messiah. Slept with young boys in his bed alone withe an alarm and lock system on the door.

Totally innocent behaviour by the billionaire adult.

Scotty #

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

...with an alarm and lock system on the door.

Totally innocent behaviour by the billionaire adult.

Hi-tech alarm systems for an A list celebrity is hardly incriminating evidence. I don't know why people keep bringing it up? Many A-listers sleep in 'panic rooms'.

The Nal

Scotty # wrote: »

I'm not SO sure they are lying now but I'm 100% certain they have lied at some stage. Therefor, they must bring further evidence to the case now to corroborate what they are now claiming to be the truth. Not too much to ask is it? Until then, MJ gets the benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Yeah no issue with that. Its almost impossible to prove though. Unless theres anyone else to come forward.

WinnyThePoo

Scotty # wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

...with an alarm and lock system on the door.

Totally innocent behaviour by the billionaire adult.

Hi-tech alarm systems for an A list celebrity is hardly incriminating evidence. I don't know why people keep bringing it up? Many A-listers sleep in 'panic rooms'.

Many a list celebrities don't sleep with boys unrelated to them completely unsupervised.

SoundsRight

Scotty # wrote: »

Hi-tech alarm systems for an A list celebrity is hardly incriminating evidence. I don't know why people keep bringing it up? Many A-listers sleep in 'panic rooms'.

....with little boys? You'd want the alarms next to doors and windows. Having one outside your bedroom doesn't make much sense.

tylercheribini

If Savile had the best selling album of all time we would have the same apologists on here too.

Scotty #

SoundsRight wrote: »

You'd want the alarms next to doors and windows. Having one outside your bedroom doesn't make much sense.

Cleaners, maids, cooks, medical staff, security staff... a lot of people coming and going... having security on your private room seems quite logical to me. I don't see it as incriminating.

I'm not a hard line believer is MJ's innocence by the way... I just haven't seen any enough evidence to condemn him. Not yet anyway but sure if the proof was there, this debate wouldn't be happening. It's a shame it can't be concluded one way or another.

tylercheribini

Scotty # wrote: »

SoundsRight wrote: »

You'd want the alarms next to doors and windows. Having one outside your bedroom doesn't make much sense.

Cleaners, maids, cooks, medical staff, security staff... a lot of people coming and going... having security on your private room seems quite logical to me. I don't see it as incriminating.

I'm not a hard line believer is MJ's innocence by the way... I just haven't seen any enough evidence to condemn him. Not yet anyway but sure if the proof was there, this debate wouldn't be happening. It's a shame it can't be concluded one way or another.

Gotta keep that porn chest away from prying eyes

Boggles

Jackson's "bedroom" was basically a 2 story apartment.

robwen

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Many a list celebrities don't sleep with boys unrelated to them completely unsupervised.

Wasn't Bubbles there

tylercheribini

robwen wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Many a list celebrities don't sleep with boys unrelated to them completely unsupervised.

Wasn't Bubbles there

Im looking forward to his documentary already, with the aid of a banana, even he would be able to demonstrate what he was subjected to at the hands of Jackson.

hetuzozaho

tylercheribini wrote: »

Im looking forward to his documentary already, with the aid of a banana, even he would be able to demonstrate what he was subjected to at the hands of Jackson.

I'm looking forward to the when the guys are finally outed as lying about the abuse, we will get a documentary about the documentary which is gonna be fascinating in its own right!

Scotty #

tylercheribini wrote: »

Gotta keep that porn chest away from prying eyes

Ahh yes, all that kiddie porn.... no wait, it was 'normal' heterosexual porn wasn't it? Hmmm...

KikiLaRue

Boggles wrote: »

Jackson's "bedroom" was basically a 2 story apartment.

Were the art books full of pictures of nude and semi-nude boys found in the library with his other million books (in which case I'd class them as an insignificant discovery) or in his living area (in which case I'd consider it quite a significant discovery)?

tylercheribini

Scotty # wrote: »

Ahh yes, all that kiddie porn.... no wait, it was 'normal' heterosexual porn wasn't it? Hmmm...

Where did I say kiddie porn? Its existence alone proves he wasnt this asexual-manchild that he loved to portray himself as.

hetuzozaho

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Were the art books full of pictures of nude and semi-nude boys found in the library with his other million books (in which case I'd class them as an insignificant discovery) or in his living area (in which case I'd consider it quite a significant discovery)?

Is the million books confirmed anywhere?

Scotty #

tylercheribini wrote: »

Where did I say kiddie porn? Its existence alone proves he wasnt this asexual-manchild that he loved to portray himself as.

Knor does it portray him as a paedophile making it completely and utterly irrelevant!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

hetuzozaho wrote: »

They say something along the lines of:

Oh yeah, I know. But that doesn’t disprove Safechuck’s claim at all.

ceadaoin.

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Were the art books full of pictures of nude and semi-nude boys found in the library with his other million books (in which case I'd class them as an insignificant discovery) or in his living area (in which case I'd consider it quite a significant discovery)?

Those particular books were found in a locked cabinet in jacksons bedroom. Off all the "millions" of books he allegedly owned, just those were treated differently.