Abducted in plain sight (Netflix)

headoverheels

Just finished watching this after wanting to turn it off many times feeling sick to my stomach.

I never intended to watch it but it had me intrigued as some people mentioned they had to turn it off after a certain point.

It's genuinely the most bizzare thing I've ever seen. I don't know how to feel after watching I mean how can one man be so manipulative and a family so trusting?

Has anybody else watched this and if so what are your thoughts on the family involved?

Moghead

I think the family were incredibly naive. I wonder was it something to do with being very involved in the LDS church and community where there were living. Did they just assume every member was a decent person who wouldn't do anything untoward. It really goes to show how manipulative a predator can be.

rob316

I watched it last night and I was just speechless. How ****ing dumb were the parents.

Sick stuff from them letting him sleep with their daughter most nights to help his "therapy", to the father **** him off, to the mother talking about the butterflies in her stomach after falling in love with her daughter's molester.

The parents are the worst, it goes beyond naive to just sick and twisted. I'm really surprised Jan even has a relationship with her parents today after enabling B to carry out all this.

headoverheels

rob316 wrote: »

I watched it last night and I was just speechless. How ****ing dumb were the parents.

Sick stuff from them letting him sleep with their daughter most nights to help his "therapy", to the father **** him off, to the mother talking about the butterflies in her stomach after falling in love with her daughter's molester.

The parents are the worst, it goes beyond naive to just sick and twisted. I'm really surprised Jan even has a relationship with her parents today after enabling B to carry out all this.

Totally agree I think the parents were just as bad in this case to let it go on for so long.
I mean there was times during the programme where it sounded like they were trying to jusify his behaviour.

That particular scene got to me the most where you said the father ended up wa**nking B was just harrowing to listen to. I mean come on, how in the name of f**k did the parents think this was normal.

I think that scene was where alot of people switched it off.

I'm shocked too that she had any sort of normal life afterwards knowing her parents fully knew what a predator he was and what he was capable of.

Mantis Toboggan

Watched this last week thought it was a great documentary. Such a bizarre story, I know they were different times but the family were so naive. Great to see how normal the victim was in the aftermath and that the abuse didn't have major negative effects on her life.

mimimcmc

Such a crazy story! Everyone keeps calling the parents naive, they were thick!
One sentence for that really had me flabbergasted... where the detective said "he had slept in her bed four night a week for SIX months!" Absolutely insane!!

Lackey

This was me watching it:

Wibbs

mimimcmc wrote: »

Such a crazy story! Everyone keeps calling the parents naive, they were thick!

+1000 genuine grade A morons.

Roanmore

Myself and my wife watched this last night. Half way through we were thinking this must be a piss take. I had to look it up to see if it was true.

Can't say much about the parents which hasn't been said here already.
Would love to have heard from B's wife and kids to hear their side of the story.

Zak Flaps

What in god's name made the father give B a hand job ?
Very odd.

Frank O. Pinion

Zak Flaps wrote: »

What in god's name made the father give B a hand job ?
Very odd.

Closeted homosexual.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

hand job?

it was a blowie wasn't it

rob316

Braelynn Mammoth Sidebar wrote: »

hand job?

it was a blowie wasn't it

no, hand relief

ricero

This was hands down the most unintentional comedy I have ever watched. They are all ****ing crazy.

yourdeadwright

Something more to that family that is shown
I'm convinced they made the whole thing up ,
The daughter has now be in numerous movies and Tv show's crap ones but loads,

The mother and her both wrote books and made a packet,

How could she sit with her parents after how they allowed her to be abused ?
How did the sister's not blame the parents or hold resentment
How could that dad do that to his daughter abuser, he knew at the time ,
The mother had an affair with her daughter's abuser, she knew at the time
We write a book about it showing how awful parents you are ?
Why make a tv show showing how awful parents you are ?

WTF is wrong with them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surely its all made up ? If its not the mother and father should be arrested for failing to protect there daughter,

yourdeadwright

Did anyone else think when the mother spoke about your man it looked like she was talking fondly about him, Almost like she still fancied him ,

She was some odd ball ,

runningbuddy

Maddest thing I have every seen/heard in my life.

The 3 daughters are completely brainwashed by the pathetic excuse of parents.

Def more to this than meets the eye. I reckon the Dad is homosexual and was infatuated with the predator and they were having an affair. He offered his daughter up on a plate in return for silence/discretion.

yourdeadwright

runningbuddy wrote: »

Maddest thing I have every seen/heard in my life.

The 3 daughters are completely brainwashed by the pathetic excuse of parents.

Def more to this than meets the eye. I reckon the Dad is homosexual and was infatuated with the predator and they were having an affair. He offered his daughter up on a plate in return for silence/discretion.

Id find it hard to believe them two idiots could brain wash anyone ,
Absolute bunch of weirdo's ,

The dad constantly had this pathetic look off " oh well what could i do " look on his face, The mom was a whore and seemed to still fancy your man ,

Then they have the cheek to write books and a make a tv show about how awful they are,

I nearly broke my tv in disgusted at them , Never got so annoyed watching a programme in my life, People who had no shame and seemed to absolve themselves of any blame in there daughter being abused , Just the lowest of the low , Should be shot in plan sight both of them ,

runningbuddy

The abused daughter is the only one who seems to have a single brain cell.

How were no charges brought against the parents?? Willful neglect or whatever

Tilikum17

headoverheels wrote: »

Just finished watching this after wanting to turn it off many times feeling sick to my stomach.

I never intended to watch it but it had me intrigued as some people mentioned they had to turn it off after a certain point.

It's genuinely the most bizzare thing I've ever seen. I don't know how to feel after watching I mean how can one man be so manipulative and a family so trusting?

Has anybody else watched this and if so what are your thoughts on the family involved?

The parents were idiots. Kids should have been taken off them imo.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Watched this last night. It’s an extremely well put together documentary...but Jesus the parents were thick to say the least.

yourdeadwright

runningbuddy wrote: »

The abused daughter is the only one who seems to have a single brain cell.

How were no charges brought against the parents?? Willful neglect or whatever

All so strange , something about the whole thing just doesn't feel right,
its one thing telling the story but when you see the parents and how there bod language is something isn't right there has to be large parts of the story missing ,

Or am I giving them to much credit, and they are just that thick !!!

runningbuddy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

All so strange , something about the whole thing just doesn't feel right,
its one thing telling the story but when you see the parents and how there bod language is something isn't right there has to be large parts of the story missing ,

Or am I giving them to much credit, and they are just that thick !!!

There has to be more to it. There are stupid people everywhere but the parents behaviour was just mental.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Anyone else think money changed hands? “B” was a successful business man, he could afford to move and buy a theme park somewhere else and run it for a few years, was he paying the parents off I wonder?

runningbuddy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Anyone else think money changed hands? “B” was a successful business man, he could afford to move and buy a theme park somewhere else and run it for a few years, was he paying the parents off I wonder?

That is a possibiltiy.

Anyone notice the FBI Agent was just gobsmacked by the whole thing???

yourdeadwright

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Anyone else think money changed hands? “B” was a successful business man, he could afford to move and buy a theme park somewhere else and run it for a few years, was he paying the parents off I wonder?

The parents where quite wealthy to, Didn't her father own a few venture's ?
How could someone that successful be so so stupid it doesn't make sense,

I think your right,

They said they knew he was interested in there daughter long before they agreed to let him sleep in her room , (who the F*Ck would do that )

I think there is more involved than the parents are making out,

Why did the mother suddenly leave B and go back to the Dad even though you could tell she still loved B even now by the way she spoke,

I reckon the father was going to come clean and that's why she came back .,

Maybe where he said he couldn't tell because he gave him a **** was made up and the real reason they couldn't tell was because he had paid them ,
He gave no indication he was gay or reason to why he wanked him ,sounds like they made it up to cover a worse truth to me ,

headoverheels

Interesting to read so many views regarding the family. It didn't actually cross my mind at all to think the father may have been homosexual.
Would d make alot of sense.

I mean it would be like one of my buddies saying: "era I'm not really getting any at home im frustrated so" ..
Me: ah that's awful c'mere and ill sort you out.
What the actual f**k

Also another thing, what kind of teenage girl believes that aliens will kill off her family if she doesn't complete her mission. The mind boggles.

The whole story is crazy from start to finish I do believe her "family" should of been held accountable to a degree and not let off to write a book and claim fortune to what was basically them allowing their daughter to be abused for years on end. So strange that she has any sort of relationship with her family now.

Alarm bells should of been ringing with the FBI when she was first abducted and reported missing by her family almost a week later.

If this was the case in any other disappearance you can be sure they would be held as a prime suspect first before following any other leads.

runningbuddy

headoverheels wrote: »

Interesting to read so many views regarding the family. It didn't actually cross my mind at all to think the father may have been homosexual.
Would d make alot of sense.

I mean it would be like one of my buddies saying: "era I'm not really getting any at home im frustrated so" ..
Me: ah that's awful c'mere and ill sort you out.
What the actual f**k

Also another thing, what kind of teenage girl believes that aliens will kill off her family if she doesn't complete her mission. The mind boggles.

The whole story is crazy from start to finish I do believe her "family" should of been held accountable to a degree and not let off to write a book and claim fortune to what was basically them allowing their daughter to be abused for years on end. So strange that she has any sort of relationship with her family now.

Alarm bells should of been ringing with the FBI when she was first abducted and reported missing by her family almost a week later.

If this was the case in any other disappearance you can be sure they would be held as a prime suspect first before following any other leads.

The mother said the FBI was "closed" that is why they didn't report it.

They knew exactly what "B"'s intentions were.

Money changed hands or the father and B were in homosexual relationship and B was blackmailing them.

To me, nothing else makes sense.

Uncharted

They were a run of the mill Mormon family living a very humdrum life until the arrival of B.
B was a successful,flash,wealthy businessman.
He turned the heads of all the family.

The father was a closet homosexual in a sexual relationship with B.

The mother was sexually withheld in a Mormon lifestyle until she met B.

The daughters were infatuated by the 'glamour' of B.

He was a rockstar to them all.
They were utterly under his spell.

B used all this as leverage against these incredibly naive/stupid/ negligent people.

All in all,an utterly bonkers (at times I wondered was it fake) but brilliant documentary.

I'm still amazed at the sheer lunacy of them all.
Crazy crazy story.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Wife and I watched the first 30 minutes of the show yesterday but it took us about 90 minutes because we kept pausing it to marvel at the insanity. There is no way that the parents can be classified as "naive". I cannot find the correct word to describe just how stupid they are; imbecilic is the closest I can find. It is amazing that they're able to walk and breath at the same time.

I cant, I just cant.

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I watched it and definitely felt that the church belief contributed to their general thickness.

I do think the father was a closet homosexual.

I felt that the parents should have been prosecuted for neglect of their child. They allowed a predator continued access to her even knowing that he was having a sexual relationship with her and with themselves.

Whole thing was warped.

GBX

We watched it last night, it was baffling how the family allowed things to progress. And to believe the story of the therapy

Gullible, naive, irresponsible people!

And then for him to take the easy way out.. :mad:

yourdeadwright

I'm 100% convinced B was paying them for excess to there daughter,

Look at there story

They said at the begging the new straight away he had an unhealthy obsession with her, but yet didn't ring the police for days when he took her first, Then let him sleep in her room for month after this,

I reckon he was paying them and then refused to and that's when they decided to cal lthe police,

The story about the **** , The father had no history before or since of being Gay but they needed to have a valid reason as to why they didn't come forward sooner,

So they make the **** story up so people say "oh no wonder they couldn't come forward with the shame" When infact they didn't come forward as it was a business del until he stopped paying ,

The mother then goes off and has a relationship with him for 8 months, Would she have done that if he had taken there daughter without them helping him out ?


The recorded phone call with the mom it didn't sound right at all, Didn't sound like a mother talking to her daughter who had been kidnapped out of the blue ,

I reckon she only came back because the father was going to tell the truth , you could see in the interviews how she spoke about B she remembered him fondly ,

The FBI agent didn't seem to believe the story but I reckon he couldn't say anything without proof, He said numerous times this was unlike anything they had seen before,

Why go on TV or write a book and show how bad parents you where, they had to keep that wacky story up or they would both be done selling there kid,

I'd love to hear from b's wife

LizT

Watched this last night... it's unbelievable. I don't understand how they didn't report the daughter missing straight away the first time... even if they genuinely didn't believe B kidnapped her, surely they'd think that maybe B had crashed the car and the two of them were injured somewhere? Can't understand how you'd let it go a few days without reporting it.

And then the Mam having a relationship with B after he married Jan! WTF??

Call me Al

runningbuddy wrote: »

The mother said the FBI was "closed" that is why they didn't report it.

They knew exactly what "B"'s intentions were.

Money changed hands or the father and B were in homosexual relationship and B was blackmailing them.

To me, nothing else makes sense.

I tend to agree. The parents were willing to sacrifice their daughter to this paedophile, thinking they could control the crazy situation they were in, because they were desperate to save face in their community, and also desperate to keep this guy close to them for both their own romantic and sexual intentions. I mean didn't the mother go off with B after the first abduction?

I must admit too, whilst knowing nothing about this story when we watched it, when the interviews first started one-on-one my initial first impression of the father was that he was gay. So i suppose I think he still is in a closeted kind of way. Out but not out iykwim.

runningbuddy

Call me Al wrote: »

I tend to agree. The parents were willing to sacrifice their daughter to this paedophile, thinking they could control the crazy situation they were in, because they were desperate to save face in their community, and also desperate to keep this guy close to them for both their own romantic and sexual intentions. I mean didn't the mother go off with B after the first abduction?

I must admit too, whilst knowing nothing about this story when we watched it, when the interviews first started one-on-one my initial first impression of the father was that he was gay. So i suppose I think he still is in a closeted kind of way. Out but not out iykwim.

Think the mother went off with B before the abduction then a few times after.

yourdeadwright

runningbuddy wrote: »

Think the mother went off with B before the abduction then a few times after.

She moved in with im for 8 months after the abduction

Frank O. Pinion

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm 100% convinced B was paying them for excess to there daughter,

Look at there story

They said at the begging the new straight away he had an unhealthy obsession with her, but yet didn't ring the police for days when he took her first, Then let him sleep in her room for month after this,

I reckon he was paying them and then refused to and that's when they decided to cal lthe police,

The story about the **** , The father had no history before or since of being Gay but they needed to have a valid reason as to why they didn't come forward sooner,

So they make the **** story up so people say "oh no wonder they couldn't come forward with the shame" When infact they didn't come forward as it was a business del until he stopped paying ,

The mother then goes off and has a relationship with him for 8 months, Would she have done that if he had taken there daughter without them helping him out ?


The recorded phone call with the mom it didn't sound right at all, Didn't sound like a mother talking to her daughter who had been kidnapped out of the blue ,

I reckon she only came back because the father was going to tell the truth , you could see in the interviews how she spoke about B she remembered him fondly ,

The FBI agent didn't seem to believe the story but I reckon he couldn't say anything without proof, He said numerous times this was unlike anything they had seen before,

Why go on TV or write a book and show how bad parents you where, they had to keep that wacky story up or they would both be done selling there kid,

I'd love to hear from b's wife

You know nothing about how naive Americans can be. Your theory is ridiculous. "Was he paying you? No...I jerked him off", doesn't make any sense at all.

The Father has no "history" of his gayness, because of his religion, hence being a CLOSETED homosexual. It wouldn't be closeted, if everyone knew about it. That's another reason the wife had an affair, because she wasn't getting much action from her gay husband.

yourdeadwright

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

You know nothing about how naive Americans can be. Your theory is ridiculous. "Was he paying you? No...I jerked him off", doesn't make any sense at all.

The Father has no "history" of his gayness, because of his religion, hence being a CLOSETED homosexual. It wouldn't be closeted, if everyone knew about it. That's another reason the wife had an affair, because she wasn't getting much action from her gay husband.

The Dad needed a reason when they called to cops as to why they didn't call earlier and he said because of the black mail about the **** ,

What if they didn't call because he was being paid off but then the money stopped coming but the guy kept abusing his daughter,

The whole thing makes no sense,

Doesn't call the cops for days when a guy they knew had a thing for the daughter went missing with her ?
Lets let a grow man we know has a thing for our daughter and kidnapped her before sleep in her room ?
Wife runs off with said grown man and t still obvious she is found of him ?
Wife on the phone to B when her daughter was missing seems pretty relaxed ?

I'd love to know come B wife wasn't involved in documentary ?

The mother said at the end, we have come for forgive ourselves , Really How could you ever forgive yourself for letting that happen to your daughter ?

Tired Gardener

Just finished watching this... don't think me and my wife have had to pause a documentary so many times. We were just utterly flaberghasted by the parents. Thick as pig ****... beyond naive.

How their kids weren't taken from them is astonishing.

Glad that Jan has managed to lead a normal life after the events, but damn... that story doesn't reflect well on her family or their faith

Uncharted

Nuttier than a squirrel sh1te, the whole lot of 'em.

Willie Stroker 1976

Just watched this. All I can say is What the f***. A the parents should be locked up too

cocokabana

I watched half of this tonight and by far it is the strangest programme I've seen. I watched the Bundy tapes and I thought that was bad. This was was bananas. I was literally screaming at the parents saying how could you be so naive. They were as the FBI agent said seriously duped.

Penn

I think in some cases where their child has been abused, the parents often blame themselves, even when it would be incredibly hard to pinpoint what they did wrong.

In this case, it's absolutely justified. Those parents utterly and completely failed that girl. Regardless of how charismatic or manipulative he was, the parents absolutely share a huge portion of the blame for what happened to her. It's a testament to the strength and resolve of Jan that she was able to come out of it as well as she has. It's easy to see how she could have been manipulated by him, given her age, naivety and her trust in him. The parents have no excuse.

yermandan

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razorblunt

Absolute mad stuff, we had to pause it to make sure it wasn't a fake documentary.

The glint in the Mother's eye was still there for him.

I think the Dad is a closet homosexual. 'B' was the very defiition of a con-man.

The Aliens story though ...

yourdeadwright

it really id the most frustrating thing iv ever watched, Poor kids having parents like that,

Both parents where very successful in business before and after so are no fools ,

I'm 100% convinced that they where being paid by B to be allow him to abuse there daughter, The rest is all part of the cover up ,

HalloweenJack

I watched this this morning because I'd seen so many comments about it. It's got to be one of the most absurd stories I've ever heard. If it was a film, you'd think it was over the top. I actually laughed out loud when the father told his story about 'relieving' B. The mother running off with him was the most bizarre part for me. It was odd how they kept in touch with him for most of the time as well and were so relcutant to report it. Some legitimate queries have been raised in this thread. I naively enough felt that the story was so incredible that no-one could make it up and expect to be taken seriously.

I wonder what role their religion played in all this. I don't know much about the LDS but I imagine homosexuality and extra-marital affairs are a big deal, which might explain their reluctance to get involved with the police as it would bring all that out into the public. Also, the control B had over the family reminded me of stories I've heard about cults. I wonder is the LDS church one where you have to accept and obey everything you are told and as such its followers are practically programmed not to question. I'm genuinely curious as I haven't a clue about it.

If ever a story was to be summed up briefly, I think Charlie Haughey would do it neatly - grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecented.