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The Neanderthal Thread

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Adam Khor
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    Neanderthals invaded Siberia in two distinct waves (and were fond of shiny stuff), study suggests:

    https://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/neanderthals-made-two-epic-invasions-of-siberia-says-new-study/

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs
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    This is called the Neanderthal thread so appropriately... :DA tiny piece of string/yarn has been found in France, the oldest known woven material, and it's from our fave beetle browed folks Neandertals. The previous record was about 10,000 years old.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Adam Khor
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    This is called the Neanderthal thread so appropriately... :DA tiny piece of string/yarn has been found in France, the oldest known woven material, and it's from our fave beetle browed folks Neandertals. The previous record was about 10,000 years old.

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    So they may have made clothes after all D:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs
    Wibbed for your pleasure.


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    So they may have made clothes after all D:
    The thought had defo occurred AK :) Now the current view is we had needles and they didn't. Thing is, ours are made of bone, antler that sort of thing. Which preserves well enough. Theirs may have been made from slivers of wood, thorns that sorta thing, which doesn't nearly so well. We know they carved wooden items, of which only the smallest hints remain, we know they prepared a lot of animal skins, they even had the lissoir a leather working tool before us. Some have even suggested their arm musculature was influenced by the work involved in leather making. So what were they using all that leather for?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Adam Khor
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    Do we really want to know? :pac:


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Adam Khor
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    Further evidence from an Italian cave that Neanderthals were not afraid to go into the water and exploit marine food sources:

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6961883/
    Excavated in 1949, Grotta dei Moscerini, dated MIS 5 to early MIS 4, is one of two Italian Neandertal sites with a large assemblage of retouched shells (n = 171) from 21 layers. The other occurrence is from the broadly contemporaneous layer L of Grotta del Cavallo in southern Italy (n = 126). Eight other Mousterian sites in Italy and one in Greece also have shell tools but in a very small number. The shell tools are made on valves of the smooth clam Callista chione. The general idea that the valves of Callista chione were collected by Neandertals on the beach after the death of the mollusk is incomplete. At Moscerini 23.9% of the specimens were gathered directly from the sea floor as live animals by skin diving Neandertals. Archaeological data from sites in Italy, France and Spain confirm that shell fishing and fresh water fishing was a common activity of Neandertals, as indicated by anatomical studies recently published by E. Trinkaus. Lithic analysis provides data to show the relation between stone tools and shell tools. Several layers contain pumices derived from volcanic eruptions in the Ischia Island or the Campi Flegrei (prior to the Campanian Ignimbrite mega-eruption). Their rounded edges indicate that they were transported by sea currents to the beach at the base of the Moscerini sequence. Their presence in the occupation layers above the beach is discussed. The most plausible hypothesis is that they were collected by Neandertals. Incontrovertible evidence that Neandertals collected pumices is provided by a cave in Liguria. Use of pumices as abraders is well documented in the Upper Paleolithic. We prove that the exploitation of submerged aquatic resources and the collection of pumices common in the Upper Paleolithic were part of Neandertal behavior well before the arrival of modern humans in Western Europe.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Adam Khor
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    More on the Le Rozel Neanderthal track site, which shows the handprints and footprints of several Neanderthals, most of them young.

    I myself am intrigued by the animal track- the figure would suggest it's a wolf? It would be cool to know what their interactions were like...

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/09/80000-year-old-footprints-reveal-neanderthal-social-life/

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