Home Automation advice for frustrated Newbie

Irish_peppa

Hi Guys
Newbie here
So I just started my Home automation project in December (Nest (Great) Ring Doorbell (Brilliant device) and loads of TP Link smart Plugs (Excellent Devices) They are all absolutely brilliant devices!
I got a load of TP link plugs but after setting up 25 of them I found that I could only connect a handful of my usual connections (smart phones tablets etc). Rang the Router maker Netgear to be told there is a max amount of simultaneous users of 32 per channel 2.4ghz & 5ghz. How do all you guys have so many IOT devices connected and what sort of Routers are you using . is there some work around so that I can more IOT devices on my 2.4Ghz frequency or is that it 32 IOT devices and thats the end of the line. In the mean time I have my 10 spare smart plugs powered down.
Ideally I would love about 30 TP Link smart plugs and about 15 phones tablets etc House of 7 teenagers / adults
Any advice welcome

Seanieke

I'm sure someone will come along and tell me I'm wrong but I would have thought you can connect 254 devices based on IP address, with the router being the 255th?

wexfordman2

Seanieke wrote: »

I'm sure someone will come along and tell me I'm wrong but I would have thought you can connect 254 devices based on IP address, with the router being the 255th?

That would be the limit based on the IP address range, but the router itself might have limitations also, from a processing perspective.

I winder op, if it is possible to set fixed it addresses on the devices ?

ted1

Seanieke wrote: »

I'm sure someone will come along and tell me I'm wrong but I would have thought you can connect 254 devices based on IP address, with the router being the 255th?

That’s ip addresses. The limitation is the actual number of devices that can be connected wirelessly.

Op get a dedicated wireless router for your IOT devices and phisically connect it via Ethernet cable to the other router.

Can I ask why would you need 25+ smart plugs ?

bk

Seanieke wrote: »

I'm sure someone will come along and tell me I'm wrong but I would have thought you can connect 254 devices based on IP address, with the router being the 255th?

It seems like some of the older Netgear only do 32!!!

https://kb.netgear.com/24043/How-many-clients-can-you-connect-wirelessly-to-a-NETGEAR-router

Well that certainly kills the idea of using lots of wifi switches/bulbs/etc.

Irish_peppa, can I ask what you are using so many wifi plugs for? Seems like a lot.

BTW a way around this might be to use a hub based solution. A SmartThings hub with z-wave plugs perhaps.

ED E

Not quite Seanieke. Many routers can address even more that 254 hosts, in fact many multiples (say 1000-65000) but thats separate to WLAN capacity.


Some access points can only handle 16 devices, others 32 and a few more. 32 is fairly middle of the road. In cases like this the basic step is to setup an IoT access point. They tend to not need much bandwidth so a cheapo unit will do. That way you've gone from 2 to 3(4) radios and doubled your device limit. It also means your lamps arent contending your netflix on the TV.

The better solution is to build two entirely independent networks so when your IOT gear gets hacked (they will) it doest act as a beachhead for the rest of your data. Thats for nerds though.

Irish_peppa

ted1 wrote: »

That’s ip addresses. The limitation is the actual number of devices that can be connected wirelessly.

Op get a dedicated wireless router for your IOT devices and phisically connect it via Ethernet cable to the other router.

Hi Ted, do you mean Add a second router? I didnt think of that at all! Would it be acting like an access point or as a router? I actually have 2 access points allready
My Setup currently is
Router: Nighthawk X6 AC3200
Access Point: 2 xNighthawk Access Points Ex7000

Can I ask why would you need 25+ smart plugs ?

Using them in all my lights and lava lamps and table lamps on schedules ,

Irish_peppa

Op get a dedicated wireless router for your IOT devices and phisically connect it via Ethernet cable to the other router.

Hi Ted, do you mean Add a second router? I didnt think of that at all! Would it be acting like an access point or as a router? I actually have 2 access points allready
My Setup currently is
Router: Nighthawk X6 AC3200
Access Point: 2 xNighthawk Access Points Ex7000

Can I ask why would you need 25+ smart plugs ?

Using them in all my lights and lava lamps and table lamps on schedules a bit OTT i know

Irish_peppa

Seanieke wrote: »

I'm sure someone will come along and tell me I'm wrong but I would have thought you can connect 254 devices based on IP address, with the router being the 255th?

Seanie
Yes Netgear say the most Simultaneous connections you can have even with their most high end consumer units is a miserly 32!
I tried it. I got 25 Smart plugs connected then I could only add a few androids after that no one extra could connect until some of the smart plugs were powered off

Irish_peppa

bk wrote: »

It seems like some of the older Netgear only do 32!!!



Well that certainly kills the idea of using lots of wifi switches/bulbs/etc.

Irish_peppa, can I ask what you are using so many wifi plugs for? Seems like a lot.

BTW a way around this might be to use a hub based solution. A SmartThings hub with z-wave plugs perhaps.

Well i wanted about 20 Smart Plugs about 8 Google Home minis and then everything extra tablets etc so ideally about 50 x 2.4ghz devices
Ill google this smart things hub thanks for input :d

The high horse brigade

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Using them in all my lights and lava lamps and table lamps on schedules ,

Would hue not be better and cheaper for this. The hue white ambiance bulbs are not that expensive. Hue also uses ZigBee so doesn't use your WiFi

Irish_peppa

ED E wrote: »

Not quite Seanieke. Many routers can address even more that 254 hosts, in fact many multiples (say 1000-65000) but thats separate to WLAN capacity.


Some access points can only handle 16 devices, others 32 and a few more. 32 is fairly middle of the road. In cases like this the basic step is to setup an IoT access point. They tend to not need much bandwidth so a cheapo unit will do. That way you've gone from 2 to 3(4) radios and doubled your device limit. It also means your lamps arent contending your netflix on the TV.

The better solution is to build two entirely independent networks so when your IOT gear gets hacked (they will) it doest act as a beachhead for the rest of your data. Thats for nerds though.

Hi ED
So if I got a Second Identical Router. Would that mean I could have 32 plus 32 connections making about 60 connections? IE I would have 2 seperate WIFI networks. Would the second router not jam the first one up processing 60 devices?

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Would hue not be better and cheaper for this. The hue white ambiance bulbs are not that expensive. Hue also uses ZigBee so doesn't use your WiFi

I use the 40 watt old filament bulbs much prefer their glow stuck in my ways lol

The high horse brigade

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I use the 40 watt old filament bulbs much prefer their glow stuck in my ways lol

Oh you love wasting money
Hue would pay for themselves in no time and are dimmable

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Oh you love wasting money
Hue would pay for themselves in no time and are dimmable

Im more into Smart plugs Nest Ring Doorbell Google Homes. Not really keen on anything LED indoors though. LOVE controlling lights coming on and off but thats about it. Cant teach an old dog too many new tricks lol

Irish_peppa

I just chatted to Google Help and they said that their new Google Wifi System can handle up to 100 Simultaneous devices at once! Have any of you guys any experience with the Google system?

The high horse brigade

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I just chatted to Google Help and they said that their new Google Wifi System can handle up to 100 Simultaneous devices at once! Have any of you guys any experience with the Google system?

There's been a few threads on Google WiFi here if you search, it's highly recommended but cable between them if at all possible

ED E

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I just chatted to Google Help and they said that their new Google Wifi System can handle up to 100 Simultaneous devices at once! Have any of you guys any experience with the Google system?

Google Wifi is incompatible with most of the true fibre connections in Ireland, for the money you spend a little futureproofing isnt too much to ask.


Do you need the coverage of three APs currently (2 + Router)?


8 Home minis? Crikey!

Irish_peppa

ED E wrote: »

Google Wifi is incompatible with most of the true fibre connections in Ireland, for the money you spend a little futureproofing isnt too much to ask.


Do you need the coverage of three APs currently (2 + Router)?


8 Home minis? Crikey!

I thought the 2 APS would allow more connections lol but i was wrong. The total is 32 connections with or without extra access points.

My full IOT set up Right Now is:

1 x Nest
1 x Ring Pro
4 x Chromcasts
3 x Google Homes
5 x Google Home Minis
10 x TP Link Smart Plugs
1 x Google Audio

Wanted to add 2 x Google Hubs

Not much room for all the smart phones / tablets of which there are about 10

ED E

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I thought the 2 APS would allow more connections lol but i was wrong. The total is 32 connections with or without extra access points.

Aha.


You've configured them as wireless repeaters. They're thus 32 x 1 x 1= 32.

If you set them as APs not repeaters then you've got 32 + 32 + 32. This may require cabling in between.

Irish_peppa

bk wrote: »

It seems like some of the older Netgear only do 32!!!

https://kb.netgear.com/24043/How-many-clients-can-you-connect-wirelessly-to-a-NETGEAR-router

Well that certainly kills the idea of using lots of wifi switches/bulbs/etc.

Irish_peppa, can I ask what you are using so many wifi plugs for? Seems like a lot.

BTW a way around this might be to use a hub based solution. A SmartThings hub with z-wave plugs perhaps.

HI BK even their newest top of the range consumer units only do up to 32 ! is that normal with high end consumer routers?

Irish_peppa

ED E wrote: »

Aha.


You've configured them as wireless repeaters. They're thus 32 x 1 x 1= 32.

If you set them as APs not repeaters then you've got 32 + 32 + 32. This may require cabling in between.

Hi Ed no i have them configured as Access Points with ethernet cables. Tried them out as repeaters but they were not great the kept conflicting so just cabled them and set them up as APS. they work great. But unfortunatly i was onto netgear. They wont actually allow you to add more users to them seperate from the main router. its 32 on the main router thats it unfortunately. So even If you have 30 connections on the main router you can only add 2 more to the AP. After that neither the AP or router will allow anyone else onto network

ED E

That should not be the case. Do you see one SSID(Network name) or 3 or 6?

The high horse brigade

Your main router would not know if devices connected to access points are wired or wireless, they would all be the same as if wired. Is the limit 32 devices total (wired and wireless)? It's a pretty pathetic router if it is, time to replace.

Irish_peppa

ED E wrote: »

That should not be the case. Do you see one SSID(Network name) or 3 or 6?

I have 6 Seperate SSIDS, 3 for 2.4ghz and 3 for 5ghz all different ids

Yes the limit of 32 includes wired as well you can have a mix or all of both but not exceeding 32 per radio channel 2.4 or 5ghz

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Your main router would not know if devices connected to access points are wired or wireless, they would all be the same as if wired. Is the limit 32 devices total (wired and wireless)? It's a pretty pathetic router if it is, time to replace.

Yes the limit for all Netgear Routers is 32 per radio

ie : 32 Devices on the 2.4GHZ
32 on the 5ghz
64 grand total between both radios
64 total but i dont really have any 5ghz IOT devices so

bk

Irish_peppa wrote: »

HI BK even their newest top of the range consumer units only do up to 32 ! is that normal with high end consumer routers?

To be honest, I was fairly surprised myself at that answer. I knew that or much less (16 is common for ISP supplied ones) was common for low end ones, but that is a very nice router you have and I would have thought it could handle more.

I've a Netgear R7800 myself, similar to yours, a very good router, I would have assumed it could handle far more. I haven't hit the 32 limit myself yet, but not far off and mostly because I use a lot of Hub based systems for my IoT devices, Hue, SmartThings, Xiaomi, etc. and also have a wired ethernet network, so it allows me to keep a lot of my devices off wifi.

I'll definitely have to rethink some planned wifi smart plug purchases.

Sounds like these Netgear routers aren't really designed with IoT in mind. I can get why say 32 laptops might cause issues, but these types of Smart Plugs and other IoT devices should use little or no data, so should really add up to much.

Thing is wifi was never really designed for IoT. Zigbee, Z-wave were. Wifi might be nice for one or two wifi IoT devices, but this does so an interesting limitation of it.

Oh, BTW The new Ikea Smart plug might be another, cheaper option then SmartThings. It uses zigbee and a hub:

https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/lighting/smart-lighting/tr%C3%A5dfri-control-outlet-kit-art-10364797/

The high horse brigade

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Yes the limit for all Netgear Routers is 32 per radio

ie : 32 Devices on the 2.4GHZ
32 on the 5ghz
64 grand total between both radios
64 total but i dont really have any 5ghz IOT devices so

That is the radios on the main wireless router itself. If you have access points that are wired they are not affected by this, they have their own radios and 32 more devices per radio

Irish_peppa

bk wrote: »

To be honest, I was fairly surprised myself at that answer. I knew that or much less (16 is common for ISP supplied ones) was common for low end ones, but that is a very nice router you have and I would have thought it could handle more.

I've a Netgear R7800 myself, similar to yours, a very good router, I would have assumed it could handle far more. I haven't hit the 32 limit myself yet, but not far off and mostly because I use a lot of Hub based systems for my IoT devices, Hue, SmartThings, Xiaomi, etc. and also have a wired ethernet network, so it allows me to keep a lot of my devices off wifi.

I'll definitely have to rethink some planned wifi smart plug purchases.

Sounds like these Netgear routers aren't really designed with IoT in mind. I can get why say 32 laptops might cause issues, but these types of Smart Plugs and other IoT devices should use little or no data, so should really add up to much.

Thing is wifi was never really designed for IoT. Zigbee, Z-wave were. Wifi might be nice for one or two wifi IoT devices, but this does so an interesting limitation of it.

Oh, BTW The new Ikea Smart plug might be another, cheaper option then SmartThings. It uses zigbee and a hub:

https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/lighting/smart-lighting/tr%C3%A5dfri-control-outlet-kit-art-10364797/

Yes BK. I went to Currys and asked for their best router no expense to be spared. Got handed the X6 asked if it could handle 50 plus clients was told yup. It was only after the network wouldnt allow anyone on the 2.4ghz after 32 devices i discovered that. In fairness like yourself I thought it was band width that would limit me. as the smart plugs only activate twice per day but it seems whether your gaming or streaming HD or just a smart plug getting turned off or on twice a day makes no difference sounds bizarre but true! Once the router is getting a signal from the device its classed as a connection and thats that 32 max
Other than that Class router great range! Much better than the VM Hub 3

((Thing is wifi was never really designed for IoT. Zigbee, Z-wave were))
I never considered this i assumed all IOT connected to your wifi. I dont even know what these are but heard of them. So i need to copy you with HUB based systems.
So AM i right in saying 1 HUB would be 1 Connection

Ie Smart things Hub >>> Connected to 10 Smart Things Plugs = 1 Router Connection instead of 10 seperate TP Link WIFI connections if you get me.

Irish_peppa

@BK

lol seemed we went for the wrong Netgear routers.... the premium ones...
Apparently... the most basic cheap Netgear router can run up to 200 devices...

from the Netgear support page

To those of you questioning/complaining about number of wireless devices allowed on the Nighthawk Range
The simple and very inexpensive Netgear 802.1ac Wave II WAC505/WAC510 are supporting 200 concurrent connected clients.

what in the name of god :pac::eek:

bk

Yep, mad stuff all together!

In every other way I'm super happy with my router (it is the X4S), speed is fantastic (500Mb/s to my Mac), range is great and it has been rock solid reliability. I couldn't ask for more, been very happy with it.

I never imagined there would be a limitation like this on it!

But this explains it:

The simple and very inexpensive Netgear 802.1ac Wave II WAC505/WAC510 are supporting 200 concurrent connected clients.

Those are business access points. No difference really. But basically the 32 client limit is purely a business decision, a limitation set in firmware, in order to differentiate them from their business offerings. There is no technical limitation, simply a crappy sales tactic, very uncool :mad:

So one option you have, is follow ED E's advice, pick up one of those WAC505 * and connect all your smart plugs to it and a separate network, while keeping your X6 for laptops, etc.

* Obviously buy it from somewhere with an easy returns policy, just in case it doesn't work.

Ie Smart things Hub >>> Connected to 10 Smart Things Plugs = 1 Router Connection instead of 10 seperate TP Link WIFI connections if you get me.

Yep, that is exactly how it works.

I'd also look at the Ikea bridge and plugs. Works in the same way as above. If your only interested in smart plugs, it should be much cheaper, like €10 per plug, versus €60 per plug for smartthings! Though since you already have the plugs, grabbing a second router is a decent idea.

Irish_peppa

Those are business access points. No difference really. But basically the 32 client limit is purely a business decision, a limitation set in firmware, in order to differentiate them from their business offerings. There is no technical limitation, simply a crappy sales tactic, very uncool :mad:

But surely 32 concurrent connections is not much. And if you had say 60 or 100 surely that would be a huge selling point. Weird. I wonder what sort of routers Pubs have. How can they handle 100 clients on a friday night all uploading selfies

So one option you have, is follow ED E's advice, pick up one of those WAC505 * and connect all your smart plugs to it and a separate network, while keeping your X6 for laptops, etc.

* Obviously buy it from somewhere with an easy returns policy, just in case it doesn't work.

I will ill check out the hubs idea too looks like its the way to go

Yep, that is exactly how it works.

I'd also look at the Ikea bridge and plugs. Works in the same way as above. If your only interested in smart plugs, it should be much cheaper, like €10 per plug, versus €60 per plug for smartthings! Though since you already have the plugs, grabbing a second router is a decent idea.[/QUOTE]

Wow Some saving. I might check out the ikea bulbs for my garden lights actually hate LEDS inside but wouldnt mind being able to play with garden and porch lights changing colors etc as their is wifi signal there:cool::cool:

THE ALM

You could look at ditching the two access points and set up something like the Unifi AP's and allow them to handle the wifi. These theoretically can handle 200+ clients although probably around 150 in real world conditions, fantastic pieces of kit.

Another option, as mentioned, would be to use Hue for lighting. If you had the white ambience range you could set various shades of cool to warm white as suits and save on energy, I would imagine even selling off the TP-link plugs would go some distance to paying for it.

The high horse brigade

THE ALM wrote: »

You could look at ditching the two access points and set up something like the Unifi AP's and allow them to handle the wifi. These theoretically can handle 200+ clients although probably around 150 in real world conditions, fantastic pieces of kit.

Another option, as mentioned, would be to use Hue for lighting. If you had the white ambience range you could set various shades of cool to warm white as suits and save on energy, I would imagine even selling off the TP-link plugs would go some distance to paying for it.

This is exactly what I'd suggest. Bite the bullet, sell what you've got and invest in better. I'm sure you'd easily sell what you've got on here.

Have you ever seen Phillips Hue ambiance bulbs in action? We have 10 of them with dimmer switches and motion sensors and have varying degrees of brightness depending on the time of the trigger or button press. They work well with Google Assistant also.

ED E

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I have 6 Seperate SSIDS, 3 for 2.4ghz and 3 for 5ghz all different ids

Yes the limit of 32 includes wired as well you can have a mix or all of both but not exceeding 32 per radio channel 2.4 or 5ghz

i have them configured as Access Points with ethernet cables

I missed something before.


To clear up for anyone reading the thread:
Router + Two APs would give 96 x 2 devices.
The OP does not own any useful access points


The 7000s you bought are trash. They're offloading radio control to the master and thus limiting you way down. There is a benefit in that isolated units won't cul de sac clients but still, naff. Two C20i's would be cheaper and have none of this nonsense.


Drop the range extenders, get two APs for €40 or spend a bit more on the premium Ubiquiti solution. Up to you.

wexfordman2

Would setting a number or all of his sicjets to a fixed IP address help ?

Irish_peppa

ED E wrote: »

I missed something before.


To clear up for anyone reading the thread:
Router + Two APs would give 96 x 2 devices.
The OP does not own any useful access points


The 7000s you bought are trash. They're offloading radio control to the master and thus limiting you way down. There is a benefit in that isolated units won't cul de sac clients but still, naff. Two C20i's would be cheaper and have none of this nonsense.


Drop the range extenders, get two APs for €40 or spend a bit more on the premium Ubiquiti solution. Up to you.

Hi Edd
Thanks for input Unfortunately I might give that a shot but i think the Nightgear X6 will still Limit the C20's it just wont let anymore devices to run concurrently once it detects there are 32 concurrent devices linked back to the Router. So whether i balance load between all the APS it wont make any difference to be honest. I might save up and sell all my Netgear stuff the whole set up cost about 450 euro and just go full TP LINK. I was onto TP link chat support the makers of the C20 and there baseline Routers can run up to 62 concurrent devices per radio double netgears full range ! Netgears top of the line x10 can only run a max of 32 no matter how many APs you have. Very Very Very bizarre sales strategy in this day and age. I really dont get it.
why would they set the firmware to do this is beyond me.

Irish_peppa

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Would setting a number or all of his sicjets to a fixed IP address help ?

I think i took the wrong decision with Netgear. The X6 is fantastic Range... fantastic speed.... great Android ap can reset router from phone from anywhere in the world.. can do most things from app. the GUI on the website when you want to login to the router is really intuitive...looks great the design is very space age but all that is absolutlely no use if 32 devices is the max you can use concurrently in this day and age. sure nearly every thing is going wireless now. I saw even wireless fridges in currys !

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

This is exactly what I'd suggest. Bite the bullet, sell what you've got and invest in better. I'm sure you'd easily sell what you've got on here.

Have you ever seen Phillips Hue ambiance bulbs in action? We have 10 of them with dimmer switches and motion sensors and have varying degrees of brightness depending on the time of the trigger or button press. They work well with Google Assistant also.

Forgot to say Have a ubiquity AP running from a cable power over cable set up. in the Attic too a mate installed the software looked really complicated i think its the Ubiquity Pro blue light ring on it. I did notice thou the signal wasnt great it wouldnt penetrate out of the attic to the second floor but maybe thats because its just an AP its directed down maybe there was just too much material in the middle . it only broadcasts 2.4 as far as i recall. I think that software might be too complcated for me thou. it didnt look too user friendly when my mate was setting it up . Is there an App for it ie can you reset them from your phone app? I really really like that feature with Netgear.

I have never see Philips Hue in action. but at the moment i cant even get half my iot devices online so will be a while before i can look at bulbs it is something i would like to have the ability to do in future when i get a decent network set up:cool:

Irish_peppa

THE ALM wrote: »

You could look at ditching the two access points and set up something like the Unifi AP's and allow them to handle the wifi. These theoretically can handle 200+ clients although probably around 150 in real world conditions, fantastic pieces of kit.

Another option, as mentioned, would be to use Hue for lighting. If you had the white ambience range you could set various shades of cool to warm white as suits and save on energy, I would imagine even selling off the TP-link plugs would go some distance to paying for it.

Hi Allm
Yes the Netgear Setup has to go Pain in the arse setting all that stuff up but hey has to be done. I knew i shouldnt of gone with the x6 for looks lol . Looks can be deceiving . Ill give Ubiquity and TP Link a look:cool:

The high horse brigade

What model Ubiquiti have you, most are dual band?
It should really be installed on the ceiling on the second floor to give you the best signal

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

What model Ubiquiti have you, most are dual band?
It should really be installed on the ceiling on the second floor to give you the best signal

Its the UAP-AC-LITE . It was on the second floor ceiling wired through from attic in the dead centre of the house but wanted signal in the attic above it. The signal wouldnt penetrate to the attic at all so moved it into the attic a few weeks after. Seems it sends the signal directly out in a cone from the blue ring side.
He told me 100% was no 5ghz option but there obviously is now that i look at the spec "Collects feedback on full 5GHz and 2.4GHz" i assume that means broadcasts 2.4 and 5ghz. He must not have known how to set up the 5ghz because its not broadcasting it.

The high horse brigade

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Its the UAP-AC-LITE . It was on the second floor ceiling wired through from attic in the dead centre of the house but wanted signal in the attic above it. The signal wouldnt penetrate to the attic at all so moved it into the attic a few weeks after. Seems it sends the signal directly out in a cone from the blue ring side.
He told me 100% was no 5ghz option but there obviously is now that i look at the spec "Collects feedback on full 5GHz and 2.4GHz" i assume that means broadcasts 2.4 and 5ghz. He must not have known how to set up the 5ghz because its not broadcasting it.

It definitely has 5ghz. Disabling 5ghz is actually harder to do than just 2.4. Maybe you should find some guides and factory reset it. Tbh I think you should invest further in the Ubiquiti eco system, they're on another level compared to the crap your having trouble with

wexfordman2

So, is the limitation or restriction that the router will notnallocate out any more than 32 ip addresses to the wifi ?

Sorry to be banging on, but if you have 10 wifi sockets on the 2.4ghz wifi, is there any logic in disabling DHCP for these and fixing their IP addresses ?

Interesting thread this, must check my own routers limitations, I dint have wifi iot devices (have a few hubs), but still see my IP allocations go up to high twenties.

Irish_peppa

wexfordman2 wrote: »

So, is the limitation or restriction that the router will notnallocate out any more than 32 ip addresses to the wifi ?

Sorry to be banging on, but if you have 10 wifi sockets on the 2.4ghz wifi, is there any logic in disabling DHCP for these and fixing their IP addresses ?

Interesting thread this, must check my own routers limitations, I dint have wifi iot devices (have a few hubs), but still see my IP allocations go up to high twenties.

CORRECTION:
Ohh sorry not even TP Link;s top of the range domestic router will run any more than 32 concurrent devices per channel.

from chat to TP Link just now

Julia TP Link
No, none of the domestic routers or SOHO routers can run more than 32 per band concurrently

The recommended number of clients for C5400 or 5400X is also 32 for each band. In your case, it is suggested to purchase one of our business routers and then add some EAPs.
It is suggested to purchase one of the following models: https://www.tp-link.com/uk/products/biz-list-4910.html

And then add some EAP products. You may select the EAPs referring to the link below: https://www.tp-link.com/us/faq-1161.html

The TL-ER5120 is a router (wired only) and it can work as a DHCP server for your network. Then you can add some dual band EAPs, and the EAPs will send out the wifi signals

Sorry i dont know what DHCP is or disabling it is. im not that tech savy:o

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It definitely has 5ghz. Disabling 5ghz is actually harder to do than just 2.4. Maybe you should find some guides and factory reset it. Tbh I think you should invest further in the Ubiquiti eco system, they're on another level compared to the crap your having trouble with

Hi High Horse right it appears anything of a domestic router network from any company will just not work for anyone wanting to get into serious home automation. Ill have to get up to speed on Ubiquity. Do any bricks and mortar shop sell this setup?

And do you reckon this would handle about for instance at any given time
Ubiquity Example:
60 x wirelss 2.4ghz clients ie tablets, smart plugs , ring nest and about 20 wired clients via cat 5 to a switch to the Ubiquity router all running concurrently?

And if so is there a set out of the box Ubiquiti full set up I see all the Access Points but i cant see an actual Router with Antenna

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubiquiti-Networks-UAP-AC-LITE-5-Access-Network/dp/B01BTCVOR0/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1548590074&sr=8-24&keywords=ubiquiti+router

The high horse brigade

Ubiquiti is enterprise gear used in hotels, conference halls etc. Each single AP would handle 150-200 clients. You cannot compare this to the consumer grade crap you have

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Ubiquiti is enterprise gear used in hotels, conference halls etc. Each single AP would handle 150-200 clients. You cannot compare this to the consumer grade crap you have

ok im with ya. What does the actual Ubiquity router look like I can only see the Access Points on amazon?
Do they have cat5 cable spaces on the back like regular consumer routers?

And your telling me with this setup to Virgin 360mb i could get 100 simultaneous devices running at once? WOuld i need any extra speed from virgin or would they need to change the Virgin Super Hub 3 I currently have. could the Virgin Super Hub 3 handle the 100 plus simultaneous conneections from the Ubiquity?

sounds to good to be true but i believe ya wow i really really went down the wrong route with the domestic stuff.

The high horse brigade

No you would not need extra speed. The router just makes use of the connection you've got. The Ubiquiti router brand is called the Edgerouter. Note, this is just a router, does not have WiFi you would need access points. There are other versions with more ports, this is the entry model


UBIQUITI Networks EdgeRouter X 5 Ports Gigabit LAN/WAN Router https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B011N1IT2A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HgAtCbZHBRX6H

Irish_peppa

The high horse brigade wrote: »

No you would not need extra speed. The router just makes use of the connection you've got. The Ubiquiti router brand is called the Edgerouter. Note, this is just a router, does not have WiFi you would need access points. There are other versions with more ports, this is the entry model


UBIQUITI Networks EdgeRouter X 5 Ports Gigabit LAN/WAN Router https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B011N1IT2A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HgAtCbZHBRX6H

i see right cheers for that. Crikey with what i spent on all the Netgear sh1te i could of had a Hotel setup lol :rolleyes: hopefully any future readers of this thread will benefit anyway.:D
great info here thanks Lads:cool:

The high horse brigade

Yes enterprise gear like Ubiquiti and Mikrotik can be bought for less than consumer grade gear but there is a big learning curve