Should a third gender option be included in the census?

sxt

An important progressive step of statistical importance or a precedent that will lead to more and more classifications that will lead to the opposite?

neris

no

tigger123

sxt wrote: »

An important progressive step of statistical importance or a precedent that will lead to more and more classifications that will lead to the opposite?

Are you suggesting this? Or did you see this somewhere else?

Prince William

Yes a third gender opinion should be on census 2021

ELM327

There should be 2 options, leading as follows
What is your sex:
- Penis, I am male.
- Vagina, I am female.

Dakotabigone

What does one have to have to qualify for this new gender?

NIMAN

No.

sxt

tigger123 wrote: »

Are you suggesting this? Or did you see this somewhere else?

Canada and Australia are officially doing so in their next census

NIMAN

Dakotabigone wrote: »

What does one have to have to qualify for this new gender?

Just a notion that you want to be it.

Cee-Jay-Cee

You’re either male or female when you are born. New born babies have no awareness of their sexuality and so their gender is determine by their physical attributes. End of story.

Gbear

The census isn't a determination of the laws of physics. It's an information gathering exercise.

If there are significant numbers of people who would put something else on the gender question, and knowing that would aid in the provision of services or formulation of policy, then it should be there.

It's not a moral question. It's about government planning.

I don't know why people get so exercised about something so trivial as transgenderism.

Bob Harris

Dakotabigone wrote: »

What does one have to have to qualify for this new gender?

A willy and/or a fanny. Then you identify yourself as whatever you want.

How Soon Is Now

Uhhhhhhhhhh!

BarryD2

neris wrote: »

no

No, no, no. The census like the constitution is no place for such confusion.

Theboinkmaster

sxt wrote: »

An important progressive step of statistical importance or a precedent that will lead to more and more classifications that will lead to the opposite?

Nonsense - there are only 2 genders.

Deebles McBeebles

If we have 3 options it should be;
A. Male
B. Female
C. None of the above

I predict about 1 million people will choose C purely to take the p*ss.

tigger123

Why all the hostility towards this idea? If you choose male or female, what business is it of yours what someone else chooses?

freshpopcorn

Auguste Comte

I'm Jedi by religion and gender.

Muckka

I identify as a tulip.

There's only two gender's, no matter what your brain tells you.

Inside you're either biologically a man or a woman.

As for the tulip, I wasn't born a bulb.

I'm all for the people's choice, have a refferendum on it if ye like.
Majority rules.
I'm all for democracy.

But there's only two gender's.

TheValeyard

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I'm Jedi by religion and gender.

Prefer Sith myself. More fun.

tmh106

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

You’re either male or female when you are born. New born babies have no awareness of their sexuality and so their gender is determine by their physical attributes. End of story.

Not true. Intersex babies share characteristics of male and female.

Muckka

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Prefer Sith myself. More fun.

I'd prefer to be a grey Jedi, but I like your style lol

Richard Hillman

sxt wrote: »

Canada and Australia are officially doing so in their next census

And in 100 years when people look back, they will be saying "what the hell were they thinking?".

TheDoc

Gbear wrote: »

The census isn't a determination of the laws of physics. It's an information gathering exercise.

If there are significant numbers of people who would put something else on the gender question, and knowing that would aid in the provision of services or formulation of policy, then it should be there.

It's not a moral question. It's about government planning.

I don't know why people get so exercised about something so trivial as transgenderism.

The proposed change of genders and pronouns in language is a pretty significant matter. That is where the debate or issues arise. Along with the whole non-binary thing also.

Totally cool with Transgenderism, not cool with being told how the use of century old pronouns and descriptors are not all of a sudden "offensive". That part of it along with non-binary stuff is a totally fine movement and thing to have or do, but don't expect to not be challenged when it comes to language an what constitutes offense etc.

It's also just another hotbed for aggressive/excitable people who can't engage in any debate, and if the view is contradictory then you are just labelled as being "anti-trans" or whatever

Sittingpretty

tmh106 wrote: »

Not true. Intersex babies share characteristics of male and female.

Intersex is a TINY proportion of births, certainly no where near enough to consider a third gender classification on a census form.

Gatling

Will Siri ,Alexa and cortuna be included don't want them ladies to be left out

Chris_Heilong

You should do a poll, they are always fun...

TheDoc

tigger123 wrote: »

Why all the hostility towards this idea? If you choose male or female, what business is it of yours what someone else chooses?

If there is to be any socially acceptable change surrounding centuries of language, I'd argue its pretty much all our business?

Male or Female is a universally accepted choice for gender, because there are only two.

If there is to be a universally accepted new structure, method or setup, that is something that will go through plenty of discussions, debate and factoring.

Pherekydes

There is no question regarding gender on the census.

tigger123

TheDoc wrote: »

If there is to be any socially acceptable change surrounding centuries of language, I'd argue its pretty much all our business?

Male or Female is a universally accepted choice for gender, because there are only two.

If there is to be a universally accepted new structure, method or setup, that is something that will go through plenty of discussions, debate and factoring.

We don't use the same language we did centuries ago. Language is evolving on a continuing basis, and is never static. Words, their context, and meaning are continually updated.

Tin Foil Hat

The census form doesn't ask about gender ay all. It asks about sex.

TheDoc

tigger123 wrote: »

We don't use the same language we did centuries ago. Language is evolving on a continuing basis, and is never static. Words, their context, and meaning are continually updated.

Absolutely, but done so through social acceptance and adoption. And while words may change and evolve as you say, fundamentals of the language don't always.

Pronouns have been a fundamental of language since it's invention, and really hasn't changed. It has evolved every so slightly over time, but has generally remained the same for centuries.

Like what would the third option even be? Something like "do not with to define" or is there someone or some group putting forward a new gender type?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

You’re either male or female when you are born. New born babies have no awareness of their sexuality and so their gender is determine by their physical attributes. End of story.

Well no, you can be born intersex, having biological characteristics of both genders. It’s a tricky thing to know how to treat.

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Intersex is a TINY proportion of births, certainly no where near enough to consider a third gender classification on a census form.

But still, they exist.

D3V!L

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

The census form doesn't ask about gender ay all. It asks about sex.

You do know its the same thing , don't you ?

:rolleyes:

Apiarist

D3V!L wrote: »

You do know its the same thing , don't you ?

:rolleyes:

Nope, gender and sex are not the same thing generally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

D3V!L

victor8600 wrote: »

Nope, gender and sex are not the same thing generally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Nope,

I'm sticking with my original comment.

:rolleyes:

You can cut things off, put things inside out etc but you cannot change your gender / sex.

suicide_circus

Male
Female
Attack Helicopter

Tin Foil Hat

D3V!L wrote: »

You do know its the same thing , don't you ?

:rolleyes:

Oh I know that. Plenty people pretend not to though, by spinning the line that sex and gender are different, and then going on to argue that people should be allowed to self identify as their 'gender' even when specifically asked for their sex.

Huntergonzo

Sure why not, as of this very moment I identify as a pencil. I demand you acknowledge and respect my delusion and if you don't then you're a backwards bigot!

People are great aren't they :-)

Ipso

Just three, get woke!

Noodles81

What will/ could the 3rd one be?

Transitioning? Hermaphrodite?

So I'm either male or female ( born or transitioned).

Or, I can be male and say I'm female and vice versa.

I can't be anything else, or can I? Like a pencil, that's just delusional.

Please explain in plain English.

Pauliedragon

sxt wrote: »

Canada and Australia are officially doing so in their next census

Australia made a complete balls up of the last census. They are the last country we should be looking for census advice. A demented donkey couldn't have made more of a dogs breakfast of their last census attempt.

c montgomery

Male/female/head the ball

Terrlock

No....there are 2 genders Male and Female.....the more we give in to nonsense the greater the nonsense will be.

We are transitioning out of the control of religious groups...we should try and attain some sensibility...not just submit to an even greater level of nonsense that is appearing out of the cracks.

Grayson

tigger123 wrote: »

We don't use the same language we did centuries ago. Language is evolving on a continuing basis, and is never static. Words, their context, and meaning are continually updated.

Plus this sort of information is great from a statistical point of view.

The only problem I can see with a question like What gender do you identify as. Or what gender are you. 1) Female, 2) Male, 3) other, is that there will be some people who have no idea what that means.

nevertheless, these are statistics we should be collecting.

Grayson

Terrlock wrote: »

No....there are 2 genders Male and Female.....the more we give in to nonsense the greater the nonsense will be.

We are transitioning out of the control of religious groups...we should try and attain some sensibility...not just submit to an even greater level of nonsense that is appearing out of the cracks.

Yet we have questions asking what sky fairy people believe in. And to be fair, that's an important bit of information. The same can be said for sexuality or what gender people identify as. And that's what the census is for.

ceadaoin.

They should ask sex and also gender identity if different from biological sex. Job done

Huntergonzo

As a matter of interest, can I decide I'm a women and start using the ladies changing rooms in the gym? if so I may start to get behind this very important 'fight for equality'!

Franz Von Peppercorn

Gbear wrote: »

The census isn't a determination of the laws of physics. It's an information gathering exercise.

If there are significant numbers of people who would put something else on the gender question, and knowing that would aid in the provision of services or formulation of policy, then it should be there.

It's not a moral question. It's about government planning.

I don't know why people get so exercised about something so trivial as transgenderism.

transgenderism has plenty of societal impact.

Anyway surely it’s two or four genders. Ignoring the fluidity stuff.

Rezident

No. How can you ignore Biology? Biology is a good system, that's why we use it. Having 31 genders like they have in New York (it may have gone up since then) or the 50 plus genders they have on facebook, are not good systems, they are ridiculously confusing, that's why we don't use them.

Also, going with what people say, as supposed to a verifiable system is open to abuse, people could just start making up their own genders, how can it be verified?

Feelings may change, biology is insuperably more reliable.

Biology > feelings