How come Ireland gets so few green cards for USA

Bowlardo

Ireland only gets 0.015% of the green cards allocated - between 2-300 a year.
Considering we helped build the ****ing place surely there should a be a bigger number of cards dished out to Irish people.

Also is it (massive leap coming here) a big coincidence as the Irish contingency drops in America the place seems to be going to ****e?

LessOutragePlz

It's all Trumps fault.

bodice ripper

Good fortune?

RMAOK

Get green cards on St. Patrick's day

orourkeda1977

Bowlardo wrote: »

Ireland only gets 0.015% of the green cards allocated - between 2-300 a year.
Considering we helped build the ****ing place surely there should a be a bigger number of cards dished out to Irish people.

Also is it (massive leap coming here) a big coincidence as the Irish contingency drops in America the place seems to be going to ****e?

What makes us so special?

TheValeyard

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

What makes us so special?

We're fcuking awesome.

Tom Mann Centuria

Since everyone in America already identifies as being Irish they're just full.

road_high

On what basis are they given out? It’s just a lottery system isn’t?
There was something in news recently about a reciprocal deal but didn’t get through US congress- not surprising given the current climate

Bowlardo

road_high wrote: »

On what basis are they given out? It’s just a lottery system isn’t?
There was something in news recently about a reciprocal deal but didn’t get through US congress- not surprising given the current climate

Do you think that the Irish (historically speaking) lean towards voting for Democrats and that would count against us at the minute

Bowlardo

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

What makes us so special?

I think Sean Lemass ****ed it up back in the 60’s. He wanted to stop the brain drain from our country and that affected our numbers.

We are 85th on the table for getting green cards .
I think we should be a lot higher than that to be honest.
English is our first languages And we are reasonably well educated

McDermotX

Who'd wanna go there ?

BrokenArrows

McDermotX wrote: »

Who'd wanna go there ?

I like visiting on holidays but i wouldnt want to live there.

Chinasea

Karma

Franz Von Peppercorn

The green card is a lottery. There was some talk of adding Ireland to a different visa system recently but nothing came of it.

biko

Sounds like someone is angry they can't just waltz into Murica :pac:

JohnnyFlash

They don’t like us that much in reality.

Ash.J.Williams

F**k them...

road_high

Bowlardo wrote: »

I think Sean Lemass ****ed it up back in the 60’s. He wanted to stop the brain drain from our country and that affected our numbers.

We are 85th on the table for getting green cards .
I think we should be a lot higher than that to be honest.
English is our first languages And we are reasonably well educated

What did Lemass do?

eagle eye

Bowlardo wrote:

Ireland only gets 0.015% of the green cards allocated - between 2-300 a year. Considering we helped build the ****ing place surely there should a be a bigger number of cards dished out to Irish people.

Apparently we are not Irish anymore, just European. The fact that we are European probably plays a bit g part in how small the allocation is.

Bowlardo wrote:

Also is it (massive leap coming here) a big coincidence as the Irish contingency drops in America the place seems to be going to ****e?

You might have something there but then you have to look at the Italians too.
I'm sure there are less of them as well.

whisky_galore

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

What makes us so special?

A sense of entitlement.

wonski

Bowlardo wrote: »

I think Sean Lemass ****ed it up back in the 60’s. He wanted to stop the brain drain from our country and that affected our numbers.

We are 85th on the table for getting green cards .
I think we should be a lot higher than that to be honest.
English is our first languages And we are reasonably well educated

Well educated either work there or not. Their choice really.

Reasonably well educated can't. And shouldn't, given their English level

whisky_galore

Bowlardo wrote: »

I think Sean Lemass ****ed it up back in the 60’s. He wanted to stop the brain drain from our country and that affected our numbers.

We are 85th on the table for getting green cards .
I think we should be a lot higher than that to be honest.
English is our first languages And we are reasonably well educated

Free to work anywhere within the EU only the masses will only go where there is English, we're not arsed learning another language.

Pinch Flat

Because there’s so many illeg....I mean undocumented - Irish living there

mad muffin

The Irish built the world but are welcome nowhere… boohoo

biko

The Irish helped build UK, Oz and US. That's about it.

That is more than our share of global population so I'd say we are punching above our weight.

We're nothing special. America owes nothing to us. Arguably we owe a lot to them for taking in so many of our emigrants over the years.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That is more than our share of global population so I'd say we are punching above our weight.

We're nothing special. America owes nothing to us. Arguably we owe a lot to them for taking in so many of our emigrants over the years.

The US didn’t really take us in as Irish citizens to any large extent. They closed the borders in 1924 and by 1965 the new more open immigration policy didn’t favour Europe.

Edgware

Bowlardo wrote: »

Ireland only gets 0.015% of the green cards allocated - between 2-300 a year.
Considering we helped build the ****ing place surely there should a be a bigger number of cards dished out to Irish people.

Also is it (massive leap coming here) a big coincidence as the Irish contingency drops in America the place seems to be going to ****e?

The Irish were just one of many nationalities that built America. Seeing some of the toerags that go over there from Ireland now they are as well off limiting numbers allowed in.

I heard that back in the 1960s the U.S.A were reviewing the issuing of Visas and it was intended to give countries like Ireland, Italy etc a specific fixed number each year. But as the man from the U.S. embassy said the Irish government never made the necessary contact to discuss what they might require.

4068ac1elhodqr

Places like Afganiraqistan get about 4,000 lucky green cards, Ire (N+S) get maybe 200.
Could be worse the folks in BrexitKingdon (except NI) can't even apply, probably their bad teeth or something.

road_high

Marshall Little Wharf wrote: »

Places like Afganiraqistan get about 4,000 lucky green cards, Ire (N+S) get maybe 200.
Could be worse the folks in BrexitKingdon (except NI) can't even apply, probably their bad teeth or something.

So people from the uk can’t apply st all? Can they emigrate at all to the US?
Had an English boss before who worked in the USA and he was saying that he had major hassle getting entry- the company had to prove his skills couldn’t be found locally etc

road_high

Edgware wrote: »

The Irish were just one of many nationalities that built America. Seeing some of the toerags that go over there from Ireland now they are as well off limiting numbers allowed in.

I heard that back in the 1960s the U.S.A were reviewing the issuing of Visas and it was intended to give countries like Ireland, Italy etc a specific fixed number each year. But as the man from the U.S. embassy said the Irish government never made the necessary contact to discuss what they might require.

I think some awful idiots emigrate alright- I could list dozens I know , all fairly poorly educated, rough GAA piss heads.
Going to Australia and harping on for their whole lives how about wonderful it is a right of passage (after they’ve come back, funnily enough). I should know, my uncle was exactly one.

4068ac1elhodqr

road_high wrote: »

So people from the uk can’t apply st all? Can they emigrate at all to the US?
Had an English boss before who worked in the USA and he was saying that he had major hassle getting entry- the company had to prove his skills couldn’t be found locally etc

Not for the DV-lottery programme. They can get in via a variety of other ways, after all they took Piers Morgan (likely on an exceptional talent visa).

N.Ire is an exception as nearly half consider themselves Irish (and not just N.Irish). Maybe if/when scotland leaves the Brexitkingdom they might be added to one of the acceptable countries.

Some difference in the list of winners for DV2018, over 4,000 to the Congo:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate/diversity-visa-program-entry/dv-2018-selected-entrants.html
Same for Uzbekistan (wherever that is) 4,000+.

Reati

We don't need them. We go over on a holiday visa, "forget to come back" and become one of the undocumented irish.

road_high

Marshall Little Wharf wrote: »

Not for the DV-lottery programme. They can get in via a variety of other ways, after all they took Piers Morgan (likely on an exceptional talent visa).

N.Ire is an exception as nearly half consider themselves Irish (and not just N.Irish). Maybe if/when scotland leaves the Brexitkingdom they might be added to one of the acceptable countries.

Some difference in the list of winners for DV2018, over 4,000 to the Congo:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate/diversity-visa-program-entry/dv-2018-selected-entrants.html
Same for Uzbekistan (wherever that is) 4,000+.

Nearly 4,500 k from Albania- seems the bigger kip and troublesome your nation is, thr better chance of getting in?
Is it the sheer numbers that apply from the likes of Albania or what?
Ireland got 123 visas...fair few yanks living here- how do they manage it?

Victor

Bowlardo wrote: »

Considering we helped build the ****ing place

Did we? Some Irish people did. Others didn't.

Badly Drunk Boy

Bowlardo wrote: »

Also is it (massive leap coming here) a big coincidence as the Irish contingency drops in America the place seems to be going to ****e?

Yeah, and also the fact that we invented the colour green! They'd probably be blue cards if it wasn't for us! (St Patrick's blue)

GAA Beo

I often wondered considering how much Irish Americans profess their love for their heritage and Ireland and many complain about America, why don't more of them actually move here? I meet far more people from other countries here. I'm not counting US tourists, more people who actually move here.

4068ac1elhodqr

road_high wrote: »

Nearly 4,500 k from Albania- seems the bigger kip and troublesome your nation is, thr better chance of getting in?
Is it the sheer numbers that apply from the likes of Albania or what?
Ireland got 123 visas...fair few yanks living here- how do they manage it?

Likey sheer volume in numbers, in the 8 or so (which reads slightly like an 'axis of edgyness') with the 4,000+ winners each - there is probably little else to look forward too.

Ideally Donald should be encouraging more primary exchange with the EU, as they'll likely need to form a 'union of sorts' when China surpasses them (in all arenas), in the decades to come.

EdgeCase

0.065% of the population of the globe (excluding the USA)

We also have access to a lot of other visa schemes on a more preferential basis.

And if that is the diversity lottery thing it's somewhat randomised and it's also possible fewer Irish people ever apply for it anyway.

Twenty Grand

Bowlardo wrote: »

Ireland only gets 0.015% of the green cards allocated - between 2-300 a year.
Considering we helped build the ****ing place surely there should a be a bigger number of cards dished out to Irish people.

But so did the Germans, French, English, Chinese and Mexicans, and they don't get special treatment at all. Presumably not too many Irish are applying compared to other countries.

The undocumented Irish (illegal immigrants) also don't get any special treatment, and why should they?

Irish people seem to have a huge sense of entitlement when moving abroad, but woe betide anyone who tries to immigrate here.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Irish people seem to have a huge sense of entitlement when moving abroad, but woe betide anyone who tries to immigrate here.

Yes, we send them all back. Particularly the EU citizens.

Ireland’s probably one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants. There’s no large anti immigrant sentiment. No Brexit lunacy. No right wing movements challenging for power.

MadsL

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Ireland’s probably one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants.

LOL

screamer

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Yes, we send them all back. Particularly the EU citizens.

Ireland’s probably one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants. There’s no large anti immigrant sentiment. No Brexit lunacy. No right wing movements challenging for power.

Ah the fluoridated water.... ‘‘tis great.
As for America, it’s bat **** crazy don’t know why anyone would want to emigrate there TBH.

redcup342

If it was easy to get in we wouldn't want to go.

Twenty Grand

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Yes, we send them all back. Particularly the EU citizens.

Ireland’s probably one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants. There’s no large anti immigrant sentiment. No Brexit lunacy. No right wing movements challenging for power.

So long as they're white and speak English.
We have the Klan burning direct provision centres in Donegal.

redcup342

Twenty Grand wrote: »

So long as they're white and speak English.
We have the Klan burning direct provision centres in Donegal.

Generally speaking I would say Ireland is more welcoming than other countries for people of different races/culture/language.

The amount of refugees you accept does not reflect how welcoming you are, it just looks good on TV.

whisky_galore

MadsL wrote: »

LOL

Lol indeed.

Any migrant/Mediterranean rescue thread is full of 'economic migrant' ranting. What are the Irish in the US only 'economic migrants'?
No war on here or real hardships to speak of.

Berserker

biko wrote: »

The Irish helped build UK, Oz and US. That's about it.

Oz, are you sure about that?

Marshall Little Wharf wrote: »

Could be worse the folks in BrexitKingdon (except NI) can't even apply, probably their bad teeth or something.

Can't apply in the lottery because their quota is exceeded in the previous visa cycle.

road_high wrote: »

I think some awful idiots emigrate alright- I could list dozens I know , all fairly poorly educated, rough GAA piss heads.

Seems to be a pre-requisite for Irish lads who go to NY. The club in the Bronx was a hub for them. Some amount of illegals among them.

Reati wrote: »

We don't need them. We go over on a holiday visa, "forget to come back" and become one of the undocumented irish.

And live in fear of getting caught every day of your life. Can't understand why anyone would go over there on those terms.

Berserker

redcup342 wrote: »

Generally speaking I would say Ireland is more welcoming than other countries for people of different races/culture/language.

The amount of refugees you accept does not reflect how welcoming you are, it just looks good on TV.

You having a laugh? Ireland is only starting to take in some people of different races/culture/language and the centres are getting burned down.

whisky_galore

Berserker wrote: »

Oz, are you sure about that?

Early convict history, exploring the interior, Irish miners in the goldfields, Eureka Stockade, Ned Kelly, several prime ministers and state premiers of Irish extraction, CY O'Connor built the pipeline to the gold fields and Fremantle Harbour. Not insignificant. Oh and spreading the Roman Catholic faith, bit controversial that now, similar revelations to here.

evil_seed

Bowlardo wrote: »

Ireland only gets 0.015% of the green cards allocated - between 2-300 a year.
Considering we helped build the ****ing place surely there should a be a bigger number of cards dished out to Irish people.

Also is it (massive leap coming here) a big coincidence as the Irish contingency drops in America the place seems to be going to ****e?

1. The bolded part... This is such a sh1t misconception. We helped build a few buildings in some of the East coast cities

2. I hate this entitled BS.

3. Rules are rules.