Part worn tyres

obi604

I need to get 2 rear tyres only.
Thinking of getting part worn tyres.

I only do 4000 miles a year.

How many miles could one expect to get out of part worn?

What are people’s opinion on them?

Atlantic Dawn

Would you use a part worn condom?

Car99

Buy too new tyres preferably made by an established manufacturer.

LiamaDelta

No issues with them at all. Everyone I know that gets them are happy. Depends on the tyre but you'd get a couple of years at that rate. Tyres normally do 15-20k

drunkmonkey

No, No, No. Cheap new ones preferrably made in the same factory as the expensive ones.

colm_mcm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No, No, No. Cheap new ones preferrably made in the same factory as the expensive ones.

All the cheap ones are made by Bridgestone.

obi604

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Would you use a part worn condom?

No.

Would I drive a 2 year old car with 2 year old tyres. Yes.

Atlantic Dawn

obi604 wrote: »

No.

Would I drive a 2 year old car with 2 year old tyres. Yes.

Do you know where the 2 tyres came from, were they from a crashed car, were they from a car which was submerged in water for days/months, non certified complete unknown history tyres and your only contact with the road?

corks finest

obi604 wrote: »

I need to get 2 rear tyres only.
Thinking of getting part worn tyres.

I only do 4000 miles a year.

How many miles could one expect to get out of part worn?

What are people’s opinion on them?

Don't go there

khaldrogo

This is not the same as using someone else's cast offs if you are trying to suggest it is.


I've seeb many 100's of 2nd hand tyres that people paid 30e for that had less than 3mm on them. A new tyre has 8mm.

Why would you pay 30e for a tyre that might last the year when you could pay 70/80 for a tyre that will last 4/5 years?

A 2nd tyre that has spent maybe 4/5 years on a car has worn to how that car was setup in terms of suspension and tracking. Putting that tyre then on to your car will more than likely cause its own tracking issue where the car is pulling or the wheel is off centre and it's near impossible to track the car correctly until the tyres have worn to how your car is set up. By then the 2nd tyres are fit for the bin more so than when you bought them.

colm_mcm

...and so begins another epic tyre thread....

Renegade Mechanic

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Would you use a part worn condom?

I'd blow into it first to make sure there weren't any holes in it, I'm not foolish like.

Negative_G

That anti part worn tyres brigade are almost as bad as the don't get your car washed at a petrol station brigade.

mikeecho

Negative_G wrote: »

That anti part worn tyres brigade are almost as bad as the don't get your car washed at a petrol station brigade.

Sign me up

Car99

Can you still get remoulds?

Car99

For the OP http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Your-Vehicles-Tyres-/Buying-part-worn-tyres/

I've bought a mish-mash of part worn, and cheap-new tyres over the last 5 years. I was paying about €45 for a part worn, or €90 for a new one, and they're pretty much the same exact thing. I've found that the new tyres will generally last just that bit longer than twice the amount of time (ie; they work out at better value for money).

Now, I rack up a lot of miles, so the reason i stopped buying part worn, and opting for new-but-cheap was simply because i was spending too much of my life standing in tyre centres. But I've never had any real issue with part worns, and wouldn't pass any remarks to people buying them at all.


I think the 'part worn have no grip, you'll be sliding all over the place like you're on an ice-rink' thing is a bit of a nonsense exaggeration. I've never really had any grip issues with part worns.

mikeecho

I don't get the attraction of part worn tyres.. it's like using a prepaid electric meter.
It might be convenient, but it's more expensive in the long term.

A new tyres comes with ~8mm of thread, allowing you to use 6.4mm before the legal limit.
A part worn might have 3, 4, or if you're very lucky 5mm thread
So you'll have 1.4 / 2.4 or if very lucky 3.4 of thread to use.

I believe that they are a false economy.

But there is a market for them, with people that can't afford new tyres, just like there's a market for prepaid electric meters and kerosene by the drum.

I'd only consider part worn IF I had a second set of rims, and wanted to put winter/snow tyres on for the one or two weeks of snow we get in cork., Because I'd have the car changed long before brand new snow tyres wore out from winter use.

beauf

Buy a tyre that has good reviews.

A part worn decent tyre will be far better than some new cheap tyre that no one's heard of.

Does it make financial sense to by a part worn instead of a new tyre when both are identical model. Depends on the price and how long the part worn lasts.

I change my tyres every time i drive.
I don't like to drive on part worn tryes

Gael23

This makes sens for some people
.
My mum does about 3000 miles a year. The car is 10 years old and really needs changing but finances don’t allow for that just now. Hopefully they will in the next year or 18 months and then there will be an 11 or 12 year old car going for scrappage with tyres that have less than 10k on them.

CrankyHaus

Gael23 wrote: »

This makes sens for some people
.
My mum does about 3000 miles a year. The car is 10 years old and really needs changing but finances don’t allow for that just now. Hopefully they will in the next year or 18 months and then there will be an 11 or 12 year old car going for scrappage with tyres that have less than 10k on them.

Yes for low mileage drivers it may make sense. The OP says he does 4000 miles a year. If he buys new tyres then in 6 years they will be a pass advisory on the NCT due to age, despite only being at 24,000 km, which should leave plenty of tread. Part-worns would suit him far better.



Of course there are the safety concerns with part-worns. The arguments against part-worns make sense to me though I've never actually spoken to someone who had a problem with them.

com1

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

your only contact with the road?

Now thats not strictly true... when you lose it in a bend or have a blowout there is a strong possibility that the side and roof of the car will also be in contact with the road at various times

theteal

How cheap are the part worns, OP?
When I last got tyres about 2 years ago, the likes of Goodyear Efficientgrip and Dunlop Blue-whatever were about £43 each. I know they're both known for a short lifespan but for my 3k a year mileage they will do the job nicely.

1874

obi604 wrote: »

I need to get 2 rear tyres only.
Thinking of getting part worn tyres.

I only do 4000 miles a year.

How many miles could one expect to get out of part worn?

What are people’s opinion on them?

With that mileage, part worns are ideal
I do 10k miles per year and I use part worns, have a look at them and so long as they are in good condition, no uneven wear and no damage on them. Last place I bought, guy showed me the tyres without asking,

Part worns are particularly suitable in my opinion for people that do short runs/low distance, infinitely better than no name cheap brands in the wet, and Id still consider them for more than average distance driving.

examples, previous car, replaced cheap brand on front and then back, with an immaculate part worn pair on front wheels, continental brand, difference to no name cheap brand, astonishing, like new tyres fantastic handling in the wet compared to dangerous on new no name tyres.
current car, bought with no name tyres all round, front was very slippy in the wet, wheel spin at moving off from lights in wet. Replaced with part worn known brand, again big difference in road holding, I only replaced the front pair over the course of time as one front got damaged in the cold weather last year, the other got an unrepairable puncture recently not due to the tyre, both had been on the car min 3+&4+ years, two fronts now Bridgestone, I have found them to be good in all conditions so far, better than no name cheap brands. I do some long runs, some motorway, some driving around urban areas.
Partners car who does less mileage and in slower traffic than me, has lasted 4 years on good part worns at about 2/3-1/4 the cost minimum, worn evenly and replaced all round again last year on hers, and excellent road holding.
I suggest buying in pairs, front or rear, if you've one halfway decent on the front/rear pair, just keep it for the spare if that needs one and buy in pairs.
Its good the information is there, but there is a bit of fear mongering over part worns and with that RSA information too, they are simply never going to allow themselves to be accountable by saying using part worns could be ok under certain usage. When new tyres are part worn after a few years, do the RSA tell you to change them all?



If I had a new or nearly new car and was doing long distance motorway miles at speed all or most of the time, Id get new well known and reviewed tyres. As it is, Im replacing tyres around every 4 years



Some of the good name brands Ive bought in this house, Continentals, Hankook, Kuhmo, Nokians, Dunlop

Henry Ford III

So the Germans throw their part worns away due to safety concerns but we think they are still good.

Somebody is wrong here.

beauf

Henry Ford III wrote: »

So the Germans throw their part worns away due to safety concerns but we think they are still good.

Somebody is wrong here.

The Germans have higher min depth regulation.

Less tread is longer stopping distance.
Though a good tyre with less tread is better than a new bad tyre.

Something I experienced when I switched from old good brand tyres to a new tyre cheap brand, the new tyres were worse than the one I what changing from. It was like driving on Ice on a dry day.

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/the-case-for-and-against-running-your-tyres-to-minimum-legal-depth-35795271.html

1874

Henry Ford III wrote: »

So the Germans throw their part worns away due to safety concerns but we think they are still good.

Somebody is wrong here.

And the Japanese get rid of cars that meet our standards but, they have a car business and new cars are cheaper to buy there and they need to sustain that, so there is not necessarily anything wrong with the cars we import from them, just that they have very tight standards and I dont belive it is only to do with safety, just that their system has made it as cost effective to buy new or newer cars there, from what Ive read about it.
I'll bet if you went looking you'd still find some junkers over there, and are there worse older cars they export that we dont take, Id say yes, I saw some in Bolivia, a local taxi driver told me they were called transformers, they had adapted the steering wheel/controls to the left side but the speedo was still on the right.


There are reasons other than safety the Germans likely get rid of them, it might be stated as safety and it would be great to just replace tyres at X years use, but they are still suitable and safe and highly suit certain usage.
On the same hand regarding Germany/Europe, I have been told there are much older cars in use there (Germany, Ive not been there, but other places like France, Italy, Spain, Portugal) than here, the reason the push to newer cars here in my opinion is to help keep the money train running and mainly not to do with safety> There older cars run on so long as they are more genuinely safe rather than age based it seems.


I have heard radio advertisements here for electronic testing of tyres (not sure whats involved) I think testing for actual defects visually and by equipment rather than just binning/landfilling tyres that may still be safe and usable makes better sense.
So its not as simple as someone is right and someone is wrong here, most things are not always that black and white.

monkeybutter

obi604 wrote: »

I need to get 2 rear tyres only.
Thinking of getting part worn tyres.

I only do 4000 miles a year.

How many miles could one expect to get out of part worn?

What are people’s opinion on them?

Not sure financially it's worth it really depending on the thread left on the tyre

Miles done will differ between different tyres, cars, the type of driving you do and the road condition etc

obi604

theteal wrote: »

How cheap are the part worns, OP?
When I last got tyres about 2 years ago, the likes of Goodyear Efficientgrip and Dunlop Blue-whatever were about £43 each. I know they're both known for a short lifespan but for my 3k a year mileage they will do the job nicely.

Have a quote of 40-55 Euro for the part worns.

Also, may I add, car is 12 years old, I plan to sell it within the next year.

And the NCT is in March.

1874

obi604 wrote: »

Have a quote of 40-55 Euro for the part worns.

Also, may I add, car is 12 years old, I plan to sell it within the next year.

And the NCT is in March.

Where you getting these quotes? and what size tyres?
I got prices of 35 a tyre, I was looking for one tyre, asked what for the pair and paid less/tyre.
Its possible to buy better part worns tyres for 40-45 and per your post more, but I saw very little difference in the tyres that cost more.
In my opinion, better to have a good make with reasonable tread on it if selling than a poor tyre with lots of tread.
If I saw a poor tyre make on a car I'd buy, Id take that into consideration when buying/paying, doesnt mean a seller will accept less but I have a good idea Id be changing the tyres out.

Henry Ford III

There's something very fundamentally wrong with buying tyres someone else has thrown away on safety grounds.

Minimum tread depth doesn't really come into it.

grogi

obi604 wrote: »

I need to get 2 rear tyres only.
Thinking of getting part worn tyres.

I only do 4000 miles a year.

How many miles could one expect to get out of part worn?

What are people’s opinion on them?

I have nothing against part works in theory. You just need to pick a relatively fresh pair of same tyres from good manufacturer, without any sign of damage. In practice though, it's a complete waste of time. You'll spend hours looking for anything decent.

Pick a decent pair of all seasons and be done for winter and summer troubles in an hour. Money well spent

obi604

1874 wrote: »

Where you getting these quotes? and what size tyres?
I got prices of 35 a tyre, I was looking for one tyre, asked what for the pair and paid less/tyre.
Its possible to buy better part worns tyres for 40-45 and per your post more, but I saw very little difference in the tyres that cost more.
In my opinion, better to have a good make with reasonable tread on it if selling than a poor tyre with lots of tread.
If I saw a poor tyre make on a car I'd buy, Id take that into consideration when buying/paying, doesnt mean a seller will accept less but I have a good idea Id be changing the tyres out.

Not going to name anyone here but a reputable independent tyre crowd.

Tyre Size: 225/50/17

1874

Henry Ford III wrote: »

There's something very fundamentally wrong with buying tyres someone else has thrown away on safety grounds.
Minimum tread depth doesn't really come into it.

See the post below, with a link referring to Michelin, I had not seen/read that before I posted the following thread. Anecdotally I have come to the same conclusion as Michelin, obviously for it to be worthwhile and acceptable they have spent a lot of money to come to this answer.

It depends on the usage, the condition of the tyres, if you read the link, you'll see minimum tread depth isn't everything.

beauf wrote: »

The Germans have higher min depth regulation.
Less tread is longer stopping distance.
Though a good tyre with less tread is better than a new bad tyre.

Something I experienced when I switched from old good brand tyres to a new tyre cheap brand, the new tyres were worse than the one I what changing from. It was like driving on Ice on a dry day.

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/the-case-for-and-against-running-your-tyres-to-minimum-legal-depth-35795271.html

grogi wrote: »

I have nothing against part works in theory. You just need to pick a relatively fresh pair of same tyres from good manufacturer, without any sign of damage. In parcticr, it's a waste of time. You'll spend hours looking for anything decent.

Pick a decent pair of all seasons and be done for winter and summer troubles in an hour. Money well spent

In practice? its a waste of time? Not necessarily, I went to a tyre place that sells new and part worns, told them what I wanted (size/brand type), he selected a few, I had a look, less than 2 minutes to pick them out and agree a price, granted not everywhere will be that quick and easy, I did have to wait for people ahead of me in the queue, but where wont that happen? You wont necessarily spend hours, the limits are whats available and if you know/have a good idea of what you're looking for, you could save some time ringing around to see if they have the size/brand/quantity you want in part worns. If you are looking for a specific tyre you've reviewed online, then dont expect it to be ready available as a part worn.


buying brand new, you are relying on what is available just as much, unless a new tyre seller stocks exactly what you want and its available for sale now, so that has its limits too.
If I was buying brand new, rather than just accept whats on offer, Id spend more time at it, as Id definitley want a smaller selection of specific tyres Id reviewed, wait for them to be delivered and then have them fitted.
If buying on a budget, it can take the same or less time as buying new, if you want to buy brand new and that suits your usage or not, fine. If people are happier to buy from a franchise new, fine. It does not mean part worns are a bad choice or a safety concern, anymore than a new tyre thats been on the road a day, a week or month.

Henry Ford III

The only conclusion possible is either that the German wear limits are too harsh, or that ours are not harsh enough.

Anyone who would risk injury or worse for the sake of a few extra € on better tyres really shouldn't be driving.

Part worns should be banned.

1874

obi604 wrote: »

Not going to name anyone here but a reputable independent tyre crowd.

Tyre Size: 225/50/17

PM sent, few options, even if it takes some time, its worth the cost saving for certain usage.
The only usage I probably wouldnt consider part worns and would get new (and then only in a specific tyres) is if I was doing high mileage (motorway/backroads) or at highish speeds all the time and/or if I had a new or nearly new car.
The most dangerous tyres out there are new no name rubbish, people think they have great new tryes on their car and they may end up off the road or int he back of someone when they dont stop. Even doing short distances locally on rubbish tyres could have you in an accident in the wet.
Thats my opinion and so far it has held up.

1874

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The only conclusion possible is either that the German wear limits are too harsh, or that ours are not harsh enough.

Anyone who would risk injury or worse for the sake of a few extra € on better tyres really shouldn't be driving.

Part worns should be banned.

Now I know youre talking nonsense, and just wont consider anyone elses opinion, you obviously did not read the link someone else provided regarding Michelin, its not just about saving money, and foisting that safety stuff onto people when part worns can be just as good as new tyres.

If someone has not monitored their tyre pressure on a new tyre? it could be in a worse condition than an older tyre, just the same as a car that is very new but not due its NCT could be in worse condition than a car that is older but kept in good condition.
So there are many more factors at play than just age, usage, mileage, maintenance (tyre pressures).
Who should and shouldnt be driving based on that opinion, is not your decision.
Who shouldnt be driving, is people who drive on badly worn or damaged tyres, what should be banned, not part worns, but cheap no name ditch finders, they should not be allowed to be sold and I dont know how they can pass any test to say they are fit for use.

edit, Ive had no name tyres and they are dangerous, to my shame, Ive had a few, they are the worst kind of tyre out there, more so because people think their tyres are fine. Ive read some no names have come good and can produce good tyres, but I would not buy a brand that is not established/recognised without reviewing them, although I'd be unlikely to buy a brand that is not recognisable.
The fearmongering over part worns is over done.

beauf

All tyres even when new are not the same performance or braking.

That difference (delta) will still be there between different products when old.

Henry Ford III

1874 wrote: »

Now I know youre talking nonsense, and just wont consider anyone elses opinion, you obviously did not read the link someone else provided regarding Michelin, its not just about saving money, and foisting that safety stuff onto people when part worns can be just as good as new tyres.

Can't agree at all.

The Germans have stricter standards and it's not for giggles. That includes all brands.

1874

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Can't agree at all.

The Germans have stricter standards and it's not for giggles. That includes all brands.

Everything German isnt automatically good, the French seem to have a different opinion on it. Id be interested to see what the Germans take is on new but utterly useless tyres that have great tread from no name manufacturers but fall within age requirements and have appalling grip in the wet.
Im not saying all German cars are likely to be on Autobahns with unrestricted speed limits, but I was likely to be driving at significantly high speed here or there, Id want my tyres rated for my usage and conditions.


What next? replace tyres based on age because good tyres are now older and are deemed a safety risk. That link suggests what happens if people were forced to do that, most people will just buy cheap tyres and we'll all be worse off.



I can even say the no name ditch finders I had, were fine in the dry, but horrendous in the wet, we have wet conditions, so they are not suited to use here in my opinion, maybe they are of use in conditions that reflect that.
The same as someone pottering around locally or doing low miles or in my case even averagish mileage, is infinitely better off in terms of stopping ability in the wet even at low speeds on part worn good brands, than cheap no name rubbish which should be banned.


Are new established brand tyres better, Id say probably yes, but the difference wont be significant to a part worn of the exact same type. Id even consider wearing in a new tyre, I dont know if thats really a factor, but Id pay heed to it with brake pads so potentially its one with any new part.

fancy pigeon

1874 wrote: »

What next? replace tyres based on age because good tyres are now older and are deemed a safety risk. That link suggests what happens if people were forced to do that, most people will just buy cheap tyres and we'll all be worse off.

I normally don't bother with tyre threads as they always end up in circles...

But I do know of a set of Michelins on a car (not any of our own fleet) I'll probably get the job of replacing. They are from 1993 and 1994 respectively, with about 6mm of tread. This car is daily driven short distances

They are lethal in the wet, let alone any other condition

I'll take pictures of them off the car either way

Henry Ford III

RSA is against part worns...

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Your-Vehicles-Tyres-/Buying-part-worn-tyres/

The evidence against part worn tyres is frankly overwhelming.

enricoh

1.6mm is a joke imo should be at least a millimetre more.
One of my in-laws swears by the part worns - spinning around last summer with snow tyres on!!

grogi

1874 wrote: »

In practice? its a waste of time? Not necessarily, I went to a tyre place that sells new and part worns, told them what I wanted (size/brand type) (...) If you are looking for a specific tyre you've reviewed online, then dont expect it to be ready available as a part worn.

Never happened to me in 10 garages. I did a few tours and never found anything decent. I had better luck getting good part worn tyres when getting used alloys

If you know what you are looking for, you can spot the signs of bad tyre and know a place that would have them in stock - why not. But for an average person looking for advice on Boards? They should get new set and be done with it.

1874 wrote: »

buying brand new, you are relying on what is available just as much, unless a new tyre seller stocks exactly what you want and its available for sale now, so that has its limits too.

- ring ring
- Tyre Place around the corner, how can I help.
- Good morning, I'm looking for 205/55R16 SuperWeirdTyre.
- We don't have them in stock right now, we can get them tomorrow for you. They would be €85 fitted.
- See you tomorrow.

Really that difficult?!

And unless you're looking for something truly unique - like Michelin Pilot Sport 4s - the tyres in similar price category are typically very similar.

1874

Henry Ford III wrote: »

RSA is against part worns...

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Your-Vehicles-Tyres-/Buying-part-worn-tyres/

The evidence against part worn tyres is frankly overwhelming.

Well, I looked at that youtube clip and its not overwhelming, looks like you added a second one while I as looking at the first?
It is not overwhelming, thats your opinion and again, Michelin seem to think otherwise, which you so far have completely disregarded in any reply.



anyway, that guy is stating stuff which is obvious for part worns, I knew I was buying them, doesnt seem like they have to be marked here, maybe its a good idea, but as part worns are sold as "part worns" hardly seems anyone is being duped, he even admits they were sold as part worn (just not marked) and in the strictest sense he says illegal, that doesnt mean the tyre was defective.
Next the damage he described is obvious for any buyer and should be for any seller, I dont that tyre could even be inflated with that nail or whatever it was in there (looks like off a pallet or a fence), nor do I believe a correctly inflated tyre would flex that much, it would not even be possible to inflate it, the only thing being inflated here is the risk of all part worn tyres being defective.
Underinflation damage obvious too as any other damage he described,

the damage and problems he describes could just as much occur on a new or nearly new tyre.
The inside of the tyre is available to see before its fitted, so the risks of it being poor are possible to see before its fitted.

He says only 1 in 50 tyres was legally sold that they bought, but 1/3 was damaged, so 2/3rds (more) were actually fine! so many sold illegally just should have been stamped (according it seems to UK law).


As for the example the guy driving the Renault, you can see the tyre, it looks poor/very aged rubber, is below the legal thread depth, and its possible the conditions and his driving contributed to his accident, its sad and unfortunate, but that could happen just as much on cheap no name ditch finders or existing worn tyres, having brand new tyres does not protect you from weather and road conditions.



If anything that post confirms that only a 1/3 of part worns found by that guy in one instance were not suitable for use, so more (2/3) were ok. The thing is that any tyre in bad condition can lead to a bad outcome, so an underinflated new tyre through damage that leads to a failure or problems caused or associated with underinflation can cause the same problem.


I would not call your evidence overwhelming, otherwise existing part worns will have to be removed from all cars, where do we start? 2 years? 1?.
So long as there is sufficient tread depth and the tyre is in good condition, then it is as likely to be very suitable for use.

1874

grogi wrote: »

Never happened to me in 10 garages.

If you know what you are looking for, you can spot the signs of bad tyre and know a place that would have them in stock - why not. I did a few tours and never found anything decent. I had better luck getting good part worn tyres when getting used alloys

- ring ring
- Tyre Place around the corner, how can I help.
- Good morning, I'm looking for 205/55R16 SuperWeirdTyre.
- We don't have them in stock right now, we can get them tomorrow for you. They would be €85 fitted.
- See you tomorrow.

Really that difficult?!

The funny thing about that is thats my tyre size, I have been told its not a common size, I got replacements last time in 2 minutes, before that turned up on spec and got one in a few minutes, I did not even ring ahead! most I paid was about 35 a pop, but its mostly about condition for me, if the tyre is good, then its a good deal.

Part worns suit many people for their usage, like I said, if I had a brand new car or nearly new, Id put newer tyres on them.

You realise after a year or two, your new tyres are part worn?

I suggest going back and reading the link that someone else provided, here it is
https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/the-case-for-and-against-running-your-tyres-to-minimum-legal-depth-35795271.html

Henry Ford III

I can keep these coming but I think the point is well proven.

Part worns could be old, kerbed, involved in an accident, or left sitting for an extended period. There's no way of knowing their history and the abuse they may have taken, and they may fail suddenly and without notice.

They are a false economy.

Brian Scan

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I can keep these coming but I think the point is well proven.

Part worns could be old, kerbed, involved in an accident, or left sitting for an extended period. There's no way of knowing their history and the abuse they may have taken, and they may fail suddenly and without notice.

They are a false economy.

What he has actually proved there, and no more, is that 2mm tread depth is inadequate for those conditions.

corks finest

Henry Ford III wrote: »

So the Germans throw their part worns away due to safety concerns but we think they are still good.

Somebody is wrong here.

Anyone even considering that especially driving family are cuckoo,I mean would you wear s second hand underpants,no, wouldn't even consider it

coylemj

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Part worns could be old, kerbed, involved in an accident, or left sitting for an extended period. There's no way of knowing their history and the abuse they may have taken, and they may fail suddenly and without notice.

You can say the same about secondhand cars. So wouldn't you be mad to buy one?

corks finest wrote: »

Anyone even considering that especially driving family are cuckoo,I mean would you wear s second hand underpants,no, wouldn't even consider it

The analogy of the underpants and (earlier) a used condom is franky ridiculous.

There is a perfectly good explanation for where a lot of these tyres come from - if you trade in a car to a main dealer, he will get new tyres put on it before he puts it on his forecourt for sale. The tyres that come off those traded in cars end up as 'part worn' tyres and a lot of them are perfectly fine.

And I wouldn't trust the RSA or the Department of Transport to give me guidance on the matter, they are total suckers for lobbyists on behalf of the Irish motor 'industry', everything they ask for, they get.